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take me you ANIMAL posted:What is the difference between 2 and 3 fan and OC edition vs regular? Just noise and if you have to manually overclock if you want? And what the Doctor said. The main difference between 2- and 3-fan models is that the latter are generally* higher tier SKUs with better voltage regulation and more capable cooling solutions, and more RGB lights - they're absolutely not worth it for performance reasons anymore, even though the manufacturers spin it like that ie. they have the "use 10%+ more power to get 2% more performance" problem. They're often (not always, consult reviews!) a bit better than the MSRP cards and Nvidias FE models** in terms of cooling and noise and where they're not, they sometimes have the option to switch to a "silent" BIOS with less aggressive cooling- and power defaults. Otherwise buy what's available / cheapest / actually fits into your computer case. Note the "OC" models were embargoed for an additional day so the shops will mostly list MSRP models first, which is why they're all within 30 bucks. *) 3-fan MSRP models are not going to be meaningfully different from 2-fan MSRP models because they will have similar cost-minimized heatsinks / VRM underneath, and will use faster spinning (louder), cheaper fans. $30 more to get a slightly cooler or quieter card is alright, but I wouldn't pay much more than that - especially not the 100+ the real ~gamer~ oriented OC cards will be. **) The 4070S FE is not very quiet though, so personally I wouldn't get that over other MSRP cards (luckily they're not selling it in my country  ).
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AMD's countering with discounts: AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX - $999 AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT - $749 AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE - $549 https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-unveils-promo-pricing-in-wake-of-nvidias-super-launch
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So the 7900 GRE is $50 more than the 7800 XT now? If the GRE was actually available in the west that’d really gently caress things up for the 7800 XT I’d imagine.
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Branch Nvidian posted:So the 7900 GRE is $50 more than the 7800 XT now? If the GRE was actually available in the west that’d really gently caress things up for the 7800 XT I’d imagine. The 7800 XT is on its inevitable way to being a $400 GPU now, at which point it seems decent?
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It already felt like a pretty good deal/card in the present market, but if it goes to $400 that becomes a default recommendation for nearly anyone that doesn’t specifically need something higher end for features or resolution/fps
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tengen toppa geforce lagann
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xfxHOLiC
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The Melancholy of Huáng Rénxūn
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VostokProgram posted:xfxHOLiC I like this one.
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Branch Nvidian posted:I have to believe the names are intentionally over complicated. What benefit Nvidia, or any other company with similarly badly named products, actually derive from that I have no idea; but you don't just "accidentally" have a product stack this confusing. I would agree. I went in to a computer store to buy a 1650 Super and walked out with a 1650 non-Super once by accident. I realized my mistake in the parking lot and thankfully could do an easy return. I had said Super to the saleperson too, so they also had made a mistake (I hope). For reference the 1650S had 40% more cuda cores, 50% more memory bandwidth, and an updated nvenc chip. It was closer to a 1660 than a 1650. Not everyone is a power user. Maybe someone gets word of mouth recommended a 4070 and pays more for something they didn't need. Same for the reverse, maybe someone sees 4070 on a prebuilt and presumes its the same as that Super review they half remembered. I feel this is the same reason laptop CPUs are such a mess, because once you buy the specs kind of retreat to the background even if they're not what you thought they were.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:The GeForce (2024) God this made me groan. My vote is cast.
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buglord posted:God this made me groan. My vote is cast. Motorola has been doing this with their phones for a while. Moto G Play (2021), Moto G Play (2023), so and and so forth. Also Motorola sucks - do not buy Motorola phones.
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(Arthas voice) It's begun. 4070 SUPERs are now live on Newegg and will likely be live on other sites soon. Cheapest models so far are the Zotac Twin Edge and Asus DUAL coolers right at MSRP (and Gigabyte will be offering a WINDFORCE model for MSRP but it isn't live yet), with everything else being up toward $650. (I have no idea who'd buy that TUF model for that price, lol.) Europe also has offerings from Palit, Gainward and Inno3D, depending on exact market, that are roughly at MSRP as well and that those of us Stateside are unlikely to see these days. The models from Zotac and MSI maintain the impressive svelte-ness that some 4070 models achieved, being 234 and 242mm, respectively. Speaking of size, as quietly announced, Gigabyte has launched their new 4070 standard card, featuring a two-fan implementation of the ~WINDFORCE~ cooler, and it measures in at a practically teeny 201mm. I actually wonder if that one might attract some ITX fanatic attention, even moreso than the 4070 Zotac model did (which actually made for a shockingly good higher-end ITX GPU, it turns out). Anyway, those prices likely aren't coming down for a bit, so I still don't feel too much buyer's remorse for my Black Friday deal on a standard 4070. (  )
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Motorola has been doing this with their phones for a while. Moto G Play (2021), Moto G Play (2023), so and and so forth. I mean, cars have done it forever. It can work if you’ve got clear ways of telling one year from the next. Arguably better than 4060/4060Ti/4060Super/4060SuperTi (and that’s without the resellers adding SUPRIM XREM 420 WEEDLORD XC OC WAIFU 420 to each model. But cars do the same poo poo too with dumbass lettering that is meaningless marketing poo poo (EX/LX/SE/T/TDI etc
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tehinternet posted:I mean, cars have done it forever. It can work if you’ve got clear ways of telling one year from the next. Arguably better than 4060/4060Ti/4060Super/4060SuperTi (and that’s without the resellers adding SUPRIM XREM 420 WEEDLORD XC OC WAIFU 420 to each model. What kills me is that they have an unused digit right there. Just call it the 4060, 4061, 4062, 4063, etc.
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I suspect people would have the same problem keeping 4070/4071 straight than they would keeping 4070/4070Super
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Cyrano4747 posted:What kills me is that they have an unused digit right there. Just call it the 4060, 4061, 4062, 4063, etc. Marketing would probably hate that because it makes it harder to slip models in between later if you've already got a 4060 and 4061
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Squibbles posted:Marketing would probably hate that because it makes it harder to slip models in between later if you've already got a 4060 and 4061 No reason you have to go sequentially as long as you keep the order logical. If it's going to go 4070 < 4070S < 4070Ti < 4070 Ti S you could call the TI a 4075 and slot the others in as appropriate. 70, 73, 75, 77 if you wanted. Lots of options for leaving room to slide in your eventual cut-down model where you're trying to run out stock.
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RTX 4075.3.4 v2 FINAL
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Branch Nvidian posted:RTX 4075.3.4 v2 FINAL Unironically still an improvement.
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just refer to the cards by the git commit hash of their verilog source
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Squibbles posted:Marketing would probably hate that because it makes it harder to slip models in between later if you've already got a 4060 and 4061 I, too remember the 2060 KO.
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I suspect the final digit is for 'in place" revisions where their maybe architecture changes but the same performance target. They've done this before, marketing wise they just keep it at zero. So probably used internally but not for marketing. Having two digits represent performance target is not any clearer though, and in the 4070/4070S/4070ti/4070tiS only one of those actually existed when they announced the models so it's fair to say this wasn't exactly the long-term plan. The real answer is: The 4070 should have been the 4060 (which should have been the 4050), the 4070ti should have been the 4070, and now you would have just had a Super refresh. That would have been the cleaniest but I don't think NVidia cares all that much about clean model labels. Yes whenever you release mid/late cycle models inbetween there is basically nothing you can do that would prevent people with half-remembered model numbers confusing things. We had this 2 gens ago too with a 2070 > 2070S > 2070ti> 2080 > 2080S > 2080ti. These naming conventions are totally arbitrary.
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Squibbles posted:Marketing would probably hate that because it makes it harder to slip models in between later if you've already got a 4060 and 4061 You can still use decimals to have an infinitely granular product stack
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SpaceDrake posted:(Arthas voice) It's begun. they went live yesterday dude. it's not that the other MSRP models aren't live yet, they sold out already. the asus 4070 super dual is probably the best one to buy right now. the cooler on it is the best dual-fan cooler on the market, better than crappy triple-fan coolers like the windforce
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Looking at some of the prices of the AIB 4070 Ti Supers, it seems like that card might be pretty hurt cost/performance-wise by not having an FE model, with the 4080 Super now at $999. Some of the prices I saw yesterday on Newegg and Best Buy for the coming-soon card were in the $850-870+ range, which puts the 4080 Super (FE) not that much more if it'll be available and not sold out all the time.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:they went live yesterday dude. it's not that the other MSRP models aren't live yet, they sold out already. I actually thought the launch was today. I am, evidently, dumb and slightly addled from being snowed in for nearly a week!
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Canned Sunshine posted:Looking at some of the prices of the AIB 4070 Ti Supers, it seems like that card might be pretty hurt cost/performance-wise by not having an FE model, with the 4080 Super now at $999. Some of the prices I saw yesterday on Newegg and Best Buy for the coming-soon card were in the $850-870+ range, which puts the 4080 Super (FE) not that much more if it'll be available and not sold out all the time. Typically the "coming soon" prices are higher then what they are when they hit the street, but I do think you're right the prices might be upside down for a little while.
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mobby_6kl posted:You can still use decimals to have an infinitely granular product stack Dewey Decimal System for video cards
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Squibbles posted:Dewey Decimal System for video cards Library of Congress, please
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Squibbles posted:Dewey Decimal System for video cards I still have no idea how that works, let's just stick to subdividing the products as necessary. 4070: 4070 4070 S: 4070.25 4070Ti: 4070.5 4070Ti Super: 4070.75 Need to slot it one more card? No problem! 4070.375 Geekerwan has a test of the 4070 as well. Mostly seeing +20% over the base card but a pretty big VRAM issue in Alan Wake 2:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvtgWc5UGQ8 Not only 4K with RT is completely unusable, framegen actually decreases performance. Which is a bummer, I wouldn't expect any 4070 card to be a high-FPS 4k monster but a $600 card shouldn't fall on its face like that. They also mention that by bumping the power limit it should be possible to match the original Ti, but don't seem to actually test that.
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Twerk from Home posted:The 7800 XT is on its inevitable way to being a $400 GPU now, at which point it seems decent? so 50% of the price of 4070 ti super for 3% better raster?
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:the asus 4070 super dual is probably the best one to buy right now. the cooler on it is the best dual-fan cooler on the market, better than crappy triple-fan coolers like the windforce speaking of the dual, I had my eye on the 4070 dual before the super refresh was announced and I'm now making bad choices and looking at the 4070 super ti instead. I don't see asus listing a 4070 super ti dual on their website right now, but does anyone know if there's a chance they're gonna make one?
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doesn't look like it, presumably they don't think the dual cooler will cut it at the higher TDP of the ti super
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anyone know what API is recommended for Saint's Row, DX11, 12 or Vulkan?
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i think the recommended API is the one which deletes the saints row folder
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hey i want to give volition's final title a fair shake
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Rinkles posted:hey i want to give volition's final title a fair shake then delete it
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