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Arist posted:
i really feel like mitsuru and akihiko should switch outfits here
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Arist posted:
So theoretically Metis would get Violet's outfit right.
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Jan 18, 2024 04:02
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Arist posted:
Feel like Aigis and Mitsuru should have outfits changed since Haru and Mitsuru have so many parallels including both being Empress Arcana.
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Jan 18, 2024 07:52
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Gods the phantom thief outfits are so based on and clearly designed for those specific characters that having them as DLC costumes seems weird in a way that the Gekkokan and Yasogami high uniforms didn't.
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Jan 18, 2024 08:07
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I never wear those costumes in persona games anyway tbh
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Jan 18, 2024 09:07
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Junpei so tall, no wonder Chidori got the hots for him
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Jan 18, 2024 09:08
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Do not post small Yusuke
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Jan 18, 2024 12:18
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Didn't the P3 fanbook state that Nyx is an alien who crashed into earth a billion years ago, the moon is their physical body or whatever, and shadows are all Nyx fragments? As are plumes of dusk? Then P4 and P5 hurriedly went back to "actually it's all humanity and metaphysics, not aliens" I don't mind party members getting new Personas based on your S-Link, but it would be cool if, idk, they hung out with someone else and got a skill that way. I agree it'd be cool if it wasn't only your pasty white dude advice that makes them better people.
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Jan 18, 2024 12:54
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yeah nyx was an alien according to the databook and that got backpedaled on pretty hard the p2 games had some more of that hard lovecraft influence and p3 inherited a little of that and then p4 and p5 excised it completely outside of a couple of demons
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Jan 18, 2024 13:01
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Lunar Suite posted:Didn't the P3 fanbook state that Nyx is an alien who crashed into earth a billion years ago, the moon is their physical body or whatever, and shadows are all Nyx fragments? As are plumes of dusk? Also, hear me out here, what if The Answer wasn't going to be DLC, and instead they handed it off to Omega Force to remake it in the Strikers engine? Might need a bit of fleshing out to reach the level where it's worth a full price purchase, though.
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Jan 18, 2024 13:11
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i dont think Ren Amamiya, japanese high school student, is white
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Jan 18, 2024 13:31
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P3 has more than a few nods to NGE and Nyx is just Lilith
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Jan 18, 2024 13:43
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cock hero flux posted:i really feel like mitsuru and akihiko should switch outfits here It's because Akihiko and Shinjiro's Personas are twins, so they're setting up the light/dark parallels with the Akechi costumes.
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Jan 18, 2024 13:59
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nyx is one of those things that cannot help but get dumber the more concretely they try to explain it and hopefully they've figured that out and will just stick at the level of: nyx is the embodiment of death and we are not taking further questions about it at this time
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Jan 18, 2024 14:31
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Nyx could have been totally fine if they had just stuck with that base idea but any layer of added complication like the stuff about her being the mother of all Shadows or the weird alien poo poo does nothing for the story.
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Jan 18, 2024 14:35
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Lunar Suite posted:Didn't the P3 fanbook state that Nyx is an alien who crashed into earth a billion years ago, the moon is their physical body or whatever, and shadows are all Nyx fragments? As are plumes of dusk?
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Jan 18, 2024 22:22
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Unclouded posted:Feel like Aigis and Mitsuru should have outfits changed since Haru and Mitsuru have so many parallels including both being Empress Arcana. Yes but Aigis has a ton of big guns.
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Jan 18, 2024 22:30
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I'm reading a translation of the pages of the fanbook relevant to Nyx and man, this poo poo sucks, it is some hot nonsense
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Jan 18, 2024 22:32
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Like a lot of that kind of stuff it is genuinely not worth worrying about unless it is brought up directly in show/game. Like seriously it's entirely irrelevant, much in the same way the whole backstory for Evangelion isn't really relevant.
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Jan 18, 2024 22:39
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also it seems to be debatable whether any of that is even canon since I think it directly contradicts some stuff from other games and has literally never been brought up anywhere except in that book
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Jan 18, 2024 22:50
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I think it comes down to the fact that P3's cosmology and the way it handles personas was just not my vibe and kinda took something psychological and spiritual and turned it into far more of a sci-fi/superhero kind of world. For me P4 ended up being a huge improvement in that manner.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:13
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Honestly it was the opposite for me. I liked that P3 felt like it focused more on mystical beliefs and feeling while P4 very too structured and organized. P3 being "The inherent wish of humanity to die calls down an avatar of Death" just works better for me than "Izanami was feeling like a jerk today." P3 has this fun air of "A bunch of scientists start trying to mess with mystical stuff and all end up dead, insane, creating atrocities or all of the above and none of them actually seem to grasp what they've done."
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Jan 18, 2024 23:26
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Izanami is the worst villain the mainline games have had, and by a good margin.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:28
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ImpAtom posted:Honestly it was the opposite for me. I liked that P3 felt like it focused more on mystical beliefs and feeling while P4 very too structured and organized. P3 being "The inherent wish of humanity to die calls down an avatar of Death" just works better for me than "Izanami was feeling like a jerk today." Agreed. I think P4/P5 could have been more interesting, but (for the most part) they didn't really do anything interesting with the psychological stuff. Amusingly, I think Yousuke's deal in P4 is one of the most interesting things involving a P4/P5 party member, though it doesn't factor into the story much. The basic idea that part of him wanted this stuff (the murder mystery + persona stuff) to happen and the guilt he feels about that in light of what happened to Saki was actually pretty compelling. Shame that he's also the living vector for 90% of the game's terrible humor.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:31
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No way. Izanami isn't even really the villain, she's just the final representation of theme. If you're counting her you also have to count Yaldabaoth, who is just a retread of Izanami.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:31
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The Maruki stuff in Royal is the most interesting the series has gotten in terms of theme and plot in awhile. Judging personally and from the amount of conversation it generates vs. Yaldy's plot or Izanami's nonsense.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:34
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Arist posted:No way. Izanami isn't even really the villain, she's just the final representation of theme. If you're counting her you also have to count Yaldabaoth, who is just a retread of Izanami. Yaldabaoth is way better because he was a present force for the entire game even if you didn't realize it. Also just a cooler fight. Royal's villain is better but Yaldabaoth is Izanami done right because the secret is focused around a character you wouldn't expect (and a clever excuse for sounding different to boot).
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Jan 18, 2024 23:34
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ImpAtom posted:Yaldabaoth is way better because he was a present force for the entire game even if you didn't realize it. By this logic, the Delta twist in Zero Time Dilemma is both earned and effective. Hell, by that logic Ikutsuki is a good villain. I'm not going to give the game credit for having the villain just be around, doing nothing of importance and dropping no hints about their true identities until like two hours before the reveal.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:38
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Arist posted:By this logic, the Delta twist in Zero Time Dilemma is both earned and effective. Hell, by that logic Ikutsuki is a good villain. There are actually a fair number of hints if you look for them, it is just that you're not going to be looking for them because the game puts you in the position of trusting your preconceived ideas. It's one of the better bits of writing in P5 because it becomes really clear on a replay but your first time through you're just expecting the same ol'. Edit: Just off the top of my head: He refers to it as "my Velvet Room" instead of "The Velvet Room." He actively gives the protagonist the App whereas Igor is usually more passive. His speech is pepped with mocking or insulting phrases whereas classic Igor was exceedingly polite. If you lie down on the bed in the Velvet Room you hear a mysterious voice whispering to you. Lots of stuff like that. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jan 18, 2024 |
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Jan 18, 2024 23:41
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Gaius Marius posted:The Maruki stuff in Royal is the most interesting the series has gotten in terms of theme and plot in awhile. Judging personally and from the amount of conversation it generates vs. Yaldy's plot or Izanami's nonsense. That's true, but I don't think the game is great about presenting what's going on there. The narrative focuses on this question of "free will and the value of your painful experiences," but Maruki isn't actually representative of the opposing philosophy there. Instead he's just dealing with immense feelings of "sunk cost" brought on by his power making his fiance forget about him. "Since I lost so much, this has to be worth it" - that kind of thing. He's not actually altering reality in a way that makes life better for everyone. If he was, then the core philosophical conflict would have more weight, but it feels like it's mixing up the philosophical stuff with Maruki's own personal trauma.
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Jan 18, 2024 23:46
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Playing P4 for the first time, got to July so far, and I already detest about a third of my S-Links.
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Jan 19, 2024 01:01
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What's wrong with sports bros
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Playing P4 for the first time, got to July so far, and I already detest about a third of my S-Links. Going backwards from P5R play-wise is definitely gonna make some of the mechanics and writing in P4G look dated.
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Jan 19, 2024 01:07
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At least P4 and I guess P3 follow a coherent plot outline that wasn't clearly rewritten from scratch half way through development, they have that going for them.
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Jan 19, 2024 03:24
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And then do a half assed job of matching the new storyline to the anime cutscenes that were made to fit the old storyline
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Jan 19, 2024 03:28
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ApplesandOranges posted:What's wrong with sports bros One of them is more interesting than the other, which is a deep sin.
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Jan 19, 2024 03:40
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On the note of bad S.Links, I got to the point where I have to hang out with the Gourmet King in FES and oh my god
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Jan 19, 2024 03:41
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Both the sports links are boring. It was a neat idea I guess.
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Jan 19, 2024 03:44
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I am very curious if they change that at all in Reload.
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the sport stuff are very fun. I too sometimes dont try as hard at things I do because Im afraid of the hurt I will feel when I fail.  Persona 5's social links are all boring as hell
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