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from an academic perspective witchcraft and miracles are both magic yeah. from a christian perspective it mostly matters whether youre appealing to the monotheist creator-god, or some fake guy.
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Ohtori Akio posted:nobody posts in my religion thread anymore so im evangelizing this one  here again we see the idea of "the Adversary," the Divine Opponent, in mytho-theological narrative.
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perhaps. But a nuanced one. Like from Marvel.
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Ohtori Akio posted:from an academic perspective witchcraft and miracles are both magic yeah. from a christian perspective it mostly matters whether youre appealing to the monotheist creator-god, or some fake guy. Things are a bit more complicated and grey than that. From a Christian perspective you can appeal to the intercession of Jesus (or the virgin Mary or saints for Catholics) which could be considered as spiritism. Many evangelical practices like speaking in tongues or handling snakes or extatic trances could also be considered as superstitions by other Christian denominations. In the end the distinction between religions and magic is extremely tenuous, and calling a practice witchcraft or superstition is no different from calling those who don't belong to your culture "barbarians"
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the catholic church is based around paganism, almost animism
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:Things are a bit more complicated and grey than that. From a Christian perspective you can appeal to the intercession of Jesus (or the virgin Mary or saints for Catholics) which could be considered as spiritism. the intercession of saints with god for your sake are, as told by the catholics, ultimately still appeals to god but with a quick hack to let you do idolatry lookin things. however yes it is true that other guy religion is bullshit
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st christopher is my favorite saint, the saint of travelers because jesus transformed into a heavy baby and tried to drown him, as a prank
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Veneration of the saints is a violation of the first commandment...
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They make such a big deal about host desecration while they desecrate the memory of the Christ by saying he's actually this cracker
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St. Jude is a solid dude
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Dokapon Findom posted:They make such a big deal about host desecration while they desecrate the memory of the Christ by saying he's actually this cracker nbd just ritualistic cannibalism borrowed from roman mystery cults
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Dokapon Findom posted:They make such a big deal about host desecration while they desecrate the memory of the Christ by saying he's actually this cracker he wasn't even white!
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Al! posted:the catholic church is based around paganism, almost animism Well yes that was the whole point. The Roman empire did not build itself through subjugation but integration. The vast majority of Catholics are rural, countryside people with rich and diverse beliefs and traditions. "Catholic" means universal, all-embracing, and it's exactly what it is advertising
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They say this pope was elected... anyone remember voting for him???
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Dokapon Findom posted:Veneration of the saints is a violation of the first commandment... I think it's a protestant belief that Catholics are venerating saints like they venerate God. They don't. They honor saints like you honor your parents and ancestors
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:I think it's a protestant belief that Catholics are venerating saints like they venerate God. Second commandment, then. Seems to be a catch-all that pre-emptively addresses this exact kind of rules lawyering
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:I think it's a protestant belief that Catholics are venerating saints like they venerate God. Protestants would say that Catholics pray to them, which seems like veneration since you don't pray to your ancestors, and it seems especially strange theologically if you assume the dead are awaiting judgment at the end of time.
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The fish-not-being-meat thing is some serious bullshit. There's no way that can survive first contact with rational adult thought, I'm sorry
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aw frig aw dang it posted:St. Jude is a solid dude St Christopher is a good boy 
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The rules of Orthodox Judaism make far more sense to me and I respect the dedication that goes into following them. Catholicism seems a bit more jazzy in making allowances for the things they really want to do
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Dokapon Findom posted:The fish-not-being-meat thing is some serious bullshit. There's no way that can survive first contact with rational adult thought, I'm sorry well abstaining from meat on fridays is just a post-apostolic tradition anyway
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Sherbert Hoover posted:Protestants would say that Catholics pray to them, which seems like veneration It's really not though. They ask for their intercession to God since they are supposedly closer to Him/Her/It It's a very pragmatic relationship, almost transactional. Most of the time it's based on local, cultural superstition that a certain saint can ask God to help you with a certain matter I wouldn't compare that to the veneration they would have for God
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:I think it's a protestant belief that Catholics are venerating saints like they venerate God. it isn't even that deep you just ask the saint to pray for you bc they get what you're dealing with
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Sherbert Hoover posted:well abstaining from meat on fridays is just a post-apostolic tradition anyway More like post apocalyptic.
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Dokapon Findom posted:The rules of Orthodox Judaism make far more sense to me and I respect the dedication that goes into following them. Catholicism seems a bit more jazzy in making allowances for the things they really want to do the talmudic scholars mostly agree that god left in the loopholes as a fun challenge for his people. the first game designer
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Old Testament God is OP. He nerfed Himself in later releases
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Dokapon Findom posted:Old Testament God is OP. He nerfed Himself in later releases - Added Iron Chariot type enemies
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if anyone wants some fun, they should read the infancy gospels, which were written much later and have poo poo like child Jesus killing one of his buddies on a whim then bringing him back Lazarus-style, or getting caught making toy birds out of clay on the Sabbath then, when called out by his dad, bringing them to life and having them fly off so there's no evidence
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Gospel of Thomas is the only one that tells the fuckin truth
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Dokapon Findom posted:Gospel of Thomas is the only one that tells the fuckin truth what about the Gospel of Truth, it's right there in the title
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It's not polytheism, it's just God delegating for a more personal touch
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is constantine catholic witchcraft
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constantine was pretty witchpilled yeah
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i think it's an interesting line, like what separates the demon hunter from the demon
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the early institutional church is pretty interesting because of how it engaged with extremely dug in polytheist-pluralist tradition yeah. arguably the modern tendency of the rcc towards subjectively pagan modes of devotion goes back to this. at some point it was demanded and they cant exactly go backsies.
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learning that necromancy is heresy, luckily i minored in chloromancy so i can at least grow huge weed plants
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