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Hollywood Reporter has some news on the Daredevil: Born Again revamp: - It's not 18 episodes anymore. Final episode count is unconfirmed, but likely to be 10-13 in line with the original Netflix runs. - Karen and Foggy are back. - The fight and stunt choreographer from the original Netflix Daredevil has been brought in to run the fight and stunt work for Born Again. - Kevin Feige directly overseeing the revamp and most of the stand-alone courtroom procedural parts have been cut in favor of a more overarching narrative. - Feige wants the show to be more like the Netflix version compared to other D+ shows: Darker, grittier, character driven, much less CGI (and therefore cheaper). - They also want future D+ shows to follow this format (street-level heroes, darker, and much less CGI/cheaper) and plan to green light shows that will introduce more street-level characters. - Echo was very successful and they are looking for new projects to bring Maya back on (no plans for an Echo season 2 right now, though). https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/daredevil-born-again-resumes-filming-echo-1235793539/ Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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quote:Kevin Feige directly overseeing the revamp and most of the stand-alone courtroom procedural parts have been cut in favor of a more overarching narrative. boooooooooooo
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Jan 20, 2024 02:12
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Nybble posted:boooooooooooo There's still going to be courtroom procedural stuff, but that was the major focus of the original draft and they are pivoting away. quote:the retooling Born Again underwent as it was changed from a legal procedural to something that aims to harken back to the gritty and violent tone of that first well-regarded series.
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Jan 20, 2024 02:15
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I felt like I was seeing more promotion for Echo than I usually did for D+ shows, and it's good it did well. I still need to finish it, though.
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Jan 20, 2024 02:31
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Still not done with Echo, but heard they changed her powers, so does her name not make sense anymore. heard it’s like a lesser version of Taskmasters “photographic reflexes” or the same thing, in which case Echo makes sense, but if she doesn’t have that, does her powers still align with the name?
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Jan 20, 2024 02:33
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GateOfD posted:Still not done with Echo, but heard they changed her powers, so does her name not make sense anymore. From what I gather, she knowns and can do all of the things her ancestors did, so they "echo" though her.
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Jan 20, 2024 02:36
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GateOfD posted:Still not done with Echo, but heard they changed her powers, so does her name not make sense anymore. Yes, they explain generally what is going on and make use of the term several times. Just keep watching.
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Jan 20, 2024 03:08
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Echo was very successful?
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Jan 20, 2024 07:12
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- Kevin Feige directly overseeing the revamp and most of the stand-alone courtroom procedural parts have been cut in favor of a more overarching narrative. Anything that gives us less Foggy is good
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Jan 20, 2024 07:16
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apatheticman posted:Echo was very successful? 1)A metric that a lot of streamers are looking at now is total minutes streamed and if you drop like 300 minutes worth of a show in one shot it’ll probably do well in that regard, and 2)It dropped on both Disney+ and Hulu
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Jan 20, 2024 07:25
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I guess that means Maya isn't in Born Again? Also more Street Level heroes? Adapt Patsy Walker AKA Hellcat.
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Jan 20, 2024 07:30
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twistedmentat posted:I guess that means Maya isn't in Born Again? But just do it based on the 1950s romance comics.
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Jan 20, 2024 11:13
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Undead Hippo posted:But just do it based on the 1950s romance comics. I have been saying this unironically. Doing a romcom movie or a short series and playing it straight would get a lot of “Marvel Studios does a non-superhero movie??” press and if it’s actually good so much the better. And then you have your romcom hero show up in a sick Hellcat costume in Endgame 2: 2 End 2 Game
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Jan 20, 2024 12:23
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Isn't that just She-Hulk?
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Jan 20, 2024 13:09
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apatheticman posted:Echo was very successful? Also probably doubly so because they would compare the views vs the budget so it probably looks great compared to secret invasion or she hulk
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Jan 20, 2024 16:09
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Undead Hippo posted:But just do it based on the 1950s romance comics. Thinking more of Kate Leth's run, which would have very low SFX budget and mostly Patsy trying to be a 20 year old at 30.
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Jan 20, 2024 18:13
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The MCU hosed around and broke the seal on cowboy poo poo. I want to see the Two-Gun Kid shooting a T-Rex and poo poo!
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Jan 20, 2024 18:45
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- Kevin Feige directly overseeing the revamp and most of the stand-alone courtroom procedural parts have been cut in favor of a more overarching narrative.  GODS! Do these people not get that courtroom drama can be just as loving exciting as punching? And it's a hell of a lot cheaper to shoot?
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Jan 20, 2024 21:29
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:- Feige wants the show to be more like the Netflix version compared to other D+ shows: Darker, grittier, character driven, much less CGI (and therefore cheaper). It only took them 9 years to figure this out. And while She-Hulk litigating superhero related crimes is interesting, Daredevil doing just regular crimes is not. Feige made the right call.
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Jan 21, 2024 02:57
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LividLiquid posted:gently caress you. I absolutely do not trust Marvel to hire experienced TV writers who cut their teeth doing police or lawyer procedurals so I’m fine with them cutting things like this out.
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Jan 21, 2024 08:52
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Oasx posted:Anything that gives us less Foggy is good What the gently caress?
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Jan 21, 2024 08:56
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LividLiquid posted:gently caress you. Spending $200 million on CGI produces tangible results in a way that spending $5 million on writers does not. Which is the only thing execs care about. 
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Jan 21, 2024 10:08
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LividLiquid posted:GODS! Do these people not get that courtroom drama can be just as loving exciting as punching? And it's a hell of a lot cheaper to shoot? okay but how can we get a skybeam into the finale?
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Jan 21, 2024 11:13
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Baller Ina posted:What I mostly remember him turning into a giant rear end in a top hat once he learned that Matt had a radar sense, other than that he was mostly the annoying and goofy side-kick
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Jan 21, 2024 11:49
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The whole point of the MCU is superheroes. If you want a lawyer show or a doctor show or whatever there are dozens of other better examples that don't involve people in costumes with superpowers. Somebody pointed out that the interesting thing about She Hulk courtroom scenes was that the clients had superpowers not that their lawyer did.
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Jan 21, 2024 14:05
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Harvey Birdman will never be surpassed, but I’d love to see them try
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Jan 21, 2024 14:46
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Better Call Saul, but with Marvel guys
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Seldom Posts posted:The whole point of the MCU is superheroes. If you want a lawyer show or a doctor show or whatever there are dozens of other better examples that don't involve people in costumes with superpowers. The whole point of the MCU is variety. Ant Man was a heist movie. Winter Soldier was a spy thriller. We have street level heroes and god tier heroes. One of the biggest strengths of Marvel, and how it differed from DC, is that they were, by and large, about the lives of those superheroes outside of superheroism. Spiderman was all about Peter Parker struggling to make his real life work. Matt Murdoch being a lawyer shouldn't be window dressing. It shouldn't be some barely touched-upon aspect of his character. It should be his character. He's a superhero and a lawyer. He's the walking embodiment of justice, right down to being loving blind. We have like 50 other superheroes. If all they ever did was punch and shoot lasers, this poo poo would be boring as gently caress.
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Jan 21, 2024 22:08
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the children yearn for courtroom drama and legal proceedings
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LividLiquid posted:I don't agree with any of this. Sure, but it specifically said "stand alone" procedurals. Give him one overarching case for the entire season (RIP Coolio) that he can investigate as Daredevil but we don't need 18 different Law and Order-style episodes.
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Jan 22, 2024 00:12
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live with fruit posted:Sure, but it specifically said "stand alone" procedurals. Give him one overarching case for the entire season (RIP Coolio) that he can investigate as Daredevil but we don't need 18 different Law and Order-style episodes.
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LividLiquid posted:Who said that's what I wanted? Well, what do you want?
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Jan 22, 2024 00:21
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For Daredevil to do lawyer poo poo and for that to get at least, say, I don't know, 35% of the focus that his superheroism does.
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Nybble posted:Harvey Birdman will never be surpassed, but I’d love to see them try I personally think that She Hulk could have done a decent job at that. My favourite episode is still when she goes to the retreat of the B tier (I’m probably being way over generous here) super villains. As far as Daredevil goes - I know it’s not that exciting and kinda cliche but I’d love to see him occasionally realise punching goons isn’t always as effective as effective as being a good lawyer. It’s weird as I don’t have that much faith in any real life legal system but it would be nice to see Matt Murdock realise the system can still work. Again this is weird me saying this as it does NOT meet any of my real world feelings.
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DogsInSpace! posted:As far as Daredevil goes - I know it’s not that exciting and kinda cliche but I’d love to see him occasionally realise punching goons isn’t always as effective as effective as being a good lawyer. It’s weird as I don’t have that much faith in any real life legal system but it would be nice to see Matt Murdock realise the system can still work. Again this is weird me saying this as it does NOT meet any of my real world feelings. Especially since he knows henchmen are the real problem.
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Jan 22, 2024 01:02
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live with fruit posted:Especially since he knows henchmen are the real problem.
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LividLiquid posted:Wait. What? Henchmen believe in the cause whereas goons are just there for the paycheck.
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A typical Daredevil comic plot is that he becomes aware of some type of wrong via his lawyer job that can't be addressed through the justice system and so he goes vigilante. So just like he's a Catholic who likes to dress up like the devil, he's a lawyer who likes to operate outside the justice system. The man is heavily conflicted. That, in my view is all that makes the character interesting. I don't think you need to get deep into the courtroom stuff to develop that side of it.
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Jan 22, 2024 01:29
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live with fruit posted:Henchmen believe in the cause whereas goons are just there for the paycheck. He was so great on that show. 
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Seldom Posts posted:That, in my view is all that makes the character interesting. I don't think you need to get deep into the courtroom stuff to develop that side of it.
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