Marenghi posted:

This is the push-back against more people becoming aware of Israel killing their own hostages. I've actually been fairly surprised by how many normal people I've met who've mentioned Israel killing their own on 7/10. It's not like it's a conspiracy either, Israeli news sources have reported as much.

Israeli families worked to stop the demolition of their homes which were hit by IOF tank shells, to prevent the destruction of evidence before an investigation into 7/10 can take place.

apatheticman posted:

LOL @ 2 videos down

https://twitter.com/FrumTikTok/status/1749123570830098616

Pookah posted:

I wonder if the IDF/Israeli government constantly pumping out a solid stream of fabrications, misrepresentations and exaggerations since Oct. 7th has had any effect on public trust in the 'official' reports of what happened that day?

apatheticman posted:

LOL @ 2 videos down

https://twitter.com/FrumTikTok/status/1749123570830098616

quote:

The US ratings agency Moody’s is planning to downgrade Israel’s credit rating due to the war with Hamas, the Ynet news site reports.

Ynet says it has learned the ratings agency plans to take the step soon, but did not cite sources.

In October, Moody’s announced that it had put the Israeli government’s A1 credit ratings on review for downgrade, citing the “unexpected and violent conflict between Israel and Hamas.”

The severity of the conflict, sparked by the deadly shock assault by Hamas on southern Israel on October 7, “raises the possibility of longer lasting and material credit impact,” Moody’s said at the time.

Karach posted:

fosborb posted:

they're children in highschool cosplaying

mawarannahr posted:

heh
How the internet is erasing the Oct. 7 Hamas massacre

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1748810941104296116?s=20

we need Trump back in the white house just to be rid of these smarmy little marveltwerps

"NNno?"

mawarannahr posted:

heh
How the internet is erasing the Oct. 7 Hamas massacre

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

They're flying US planes and are trained by US advisors. Unless you think Americans are simply racially superior, there's going to be no appreciable difference between a Saudi and American pilot flown bombing campaign.

I said come in! posted:

Pretty much all of the misinformation I have personally seen, has come directly from the Israeli military and government, and is just being repeated without question by major news sources, and then repeated by common people who don't know better.

Weka posted:

Oh I did not know the Pavia Tornado, their primary ground attack aircraft, was American made. I was under the impression it was European. Their other ground attack planes are the Typhoon (also European) and the F-15, both designed as air superiority fighters.

Weka posted:

Oh I did not know the Pavia Tornado, their primary ground attack aircraft, was American made. I was under the impression it was European. Their other ground attack planes are the Typhoon (also European) and the F-15, both designed as air superiority fighters.

It is not about some biotruths crap but simply that an airforce of 20,000 people (USA's Marine air wing is 35,000) that is functionally reliant on multiple outside countries including the British (lol) is unlikely to be as good as either of America's big two airforces (330k & 100k + reserves) with their long and active history and the institutional knowledge that imparts. Being trained by some foreigners selling you training as a service is an inferior libish method.

Beyond just size and training, American forces possess significant technological advantages, especially in the field of surveillance of all kinds.

Here is a list of aviation losses in the foreign intervention component of the Yemeni civil war. You can look through these and decide for yourself if America is likely to suffer the same sort of losses of jet aircraft.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviation_shootdowns_and_accidents_during_the_Saudi_Arabian%E2%80%93led_intervention_in_Yemen

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

most people aren’t even aware that the invasion of Afghanistan required the cooperation of all neighboring countries except China & Iran. the only place the US could stage a ground operation is through the port of Aden, and that would mean validating the secessionists in the STC. otherwise there’d have to be an amphibious operation in Hodeidah, where the locals would refuse to cooperate in staging American forces.

we basically can’t do anything without our patronage network, and both of our clients who could make a decisive difference already fought Ansar Allah, lost, and don’t want their oil infrastructure hosed with again.

4d3d3d posted:

They're training against getting pulled into the sea, which is where they know they belong

Ardennes posted:

The answer is they probably would if they had to go into a position where Yemen air defenses could touch them. At the moment, it seems like they are mostly slinging in longer range air to ground missiles along with Tomahawks in and the amount of damage they are doing doesn’t seem that substantial.

That said, if they actually tried to do tactical bombing or heavy use of JDAMs it could get ugly.

It is also why the USAF doesn’t want to get into an actual fight with a peer, a near peer, or at a certain point anyone with working SAMs.

guidoanselmi posted:

tornado is definitely European manufacture and was from an old UK deal. Dk what US avionics may be on-board though

Weka posted:

I don't think the STC would be particularly validated by this, more likely just pushed aside. In any case, they are already 3/8 of the current internationally recognized government.
Yemen has a number of ports along its southern coast, sure they are nothing like Aden but I don't see why troops can't just land a little slower. In particular, the port of Nishtun is in the far east of the country outside the area controlled by the STC if that is actually an issue. Landing troops so far east would also give them something like a rear staging area, although at only 800 km from Sana'a it is still in range of lawnmowers.

I don't think a ground invasion is likely but this administration has consistently made stupider than usual decisions so I am really unsure how it will proceed. The mad moronic dog theory of international relations.

Weka posted:

Most of the jets shot down seem to have been at fairly low altitude, do you think America will be flying this low?

Sancho Banana posted:

Ben Gvir was rejected by the IDF due to the Kahanist activism he did as a teenager. He went on a hunger strike to protest until they change their minds, but they wouldn't budge.

well, he says that he did.

Weka posted:

Most of the jets shot down seem to have been at fairly low altitude, do you think America will be flying this low? I am expecting just a broader bombing campaign so no need for CAS. That said, Ansar Allah's SAM capability seems to be better now.

Yeah sorry I was being a facetious twat

mcmagic posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4JXrEfiUK8

Apparently TYT employees like the most vile Zionist ghouls now? I guess they are going full MSNBC for Biden's reelection?

carcinofuck posted:

why can't Iran send AA some AA?

Frosted Flake posted:

Although Iran is behind every bad thing to ever happen to the US in the MENA, they are remarkably good at escalation management and not presenting the US with casus belli on a silver platter.

Also, pretty much every state actor wants capable AA systems as tightly controlled as possible, because if they can engage an attack jet they can also engage an airliner.

e: In the Middle East specifically, the Cypriot and Lebanese armies aren't even allowed to have capable AA systems because it would destabilize the region, the response to the Houthis getting them would be much more intense.

Weka posted:

I think he's a baker in America

carcinofuck posted:

why can't Iran send AA some AA?