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Dr. Fishopolis posted:no, again, i'm sorry but this too is a misrepresentation. there is a massive difference between i.e. adobe creating an LLM from its own stock footage library and Warner Brothers making one from their script archive. The scripts submitted to warner brothers were not licensed as stock, they all have separate contracts attached with provisions for rewrites and derivative works, and residuals if the script makes it into production. nobody makes residuals from stock footage, but writers live off of the residuals from scripts. Warner can't make a legally-sourced dataset from their script archive without sidestepping their existing WGA contracts, the point of the strike is to shore up explicit language in the contract that would keep them from doing that. But again I'm not trying to make an anti-AI argument, just emphasize that the problems with AI aren't just the specific legalities of where the data came from, but also how and why it's going to be used, and that "ethics-washing" is going to be a thing. I think that "no ethical consumption under capitalism" thing applies here, except it's about LLMs. Volte fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Jan 21, 2024 |
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Volte posted:Artists still made and submitted stock work to Adobe, just with a shittier deal and far fewer protections afforded them by a massive union. An argument like "there are no such protections in place at Adobe, thus their model is more ethically sound than the equivalent WB one would be" could be interpreted as "the more screwed over the artist already was, the more ethically sound the future exploitation of their work by AI becomes". no, there are no such protections with a stock library, nor should there be. a stock footage license almost always includes the ability to infinitely remix and rework the art, that's the point of stock footage. when people submit work to a stock library, they are explicitly told what's going to happen, and must agree to it to get paid. the ethical dilemma you're talking about does not exist with stock footage libraries, in a similar way as it not existing with public domain works.
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in the case of adobe stock images, adobes not too discerning about copyright on there which is gonna make it kind of a minefield. lots of ai generated stuff in the style of specific artists and straight up matted out disney characters
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:no, there are no such protections with a stock library, nor should there be. a stock footage license almost always includes the ability to infinitely remix and rework the art, that's the point of stock footage. when people submit work to a stock library, they are explicitly told what's going to happen, and must agree to it to get paid. the ethical dilemma you're talking about does not exist with stock footage libraries, in a similar way as it not existing with public domain works.
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Volte posted:Adobe themselves taking stock art that they are obligated to pay royalties to the artist for that's not how stock art works, nobody makes royalties on it. that is the point.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:that's not how stock art works, nobody makes royalties on it.
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If we can move away from AI art chat for a bit I would be grateful.
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What do you figure the best game AI is?
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aliens: colonial marines
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The only good AI is the one starring Haley Joel Osment and Jude Law.
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AI: The Somnium Files
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Volte posted:I meant they get a part of the sale (commission?), I didn't mean to say royalties. I guess it depends on the licensing terms. Some photographers are probably fine getting $X per image they deliver as an one time fee since it means a guaranteed income.
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stev posted:The only good AI is the one starring Haley Joel Osment and Jude Law. That movie scared the hell out of one of my siblings as a kid. She really hated when the family left the kid "in the jungle." Eventually it became a joke, if she was misbehaving we'd go don't make us send you to the jungle. That forest had a pretty fun robot circus inside in the end so it wasn't all that bad as far as places to abandon robot child.
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GlyphGryph posted:What do you figure the best game AI is? BEL/S from Open Sorcery
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The best game AI is Solaire because he's my friend and helps me beat up gross bosses. Praise the Sun! \[T]/
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I finally made progress in Bloodborne after months of struggling with it and opened a shortcut and fought some rats and got a new hat and  god these games are great whenever you succeed at something
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You should not replace google with chatgpt lol, doing so is an insanely bad idea. Gpt will always spit out a plausible sounding answer even for things which are completely and utterly wrong. There's use cases for gpt, but they're all in the realm of "annoying to produce, easy to verify" (which is why it's popular for generating code). If you're trying to use it to learn things you will get wildly hosed over and not even realize it because the incorrect answers are presented just as professionally and confidently as the correct ones.
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cheetah7071 posted:You should not replace google with chatgpt lol, doing so is an insanely bad idea. Gpt will always spit out a plausible sounding answer even for things which are completely and utterly wrong. There's use cases for gpt, but they're all in the realm of "annoying to produce, easy to verify" (which is why it's popular for generating code). If you're trying to use it to learn things you will get wildly hosed over and not even realize it because the incorrect answers are presented just as professionally and confidently as the correct ones. yeah ask one of the growing number of lawyers who've tried to build cases around chatgpt word vomit and gotten slapped for it
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:no, there are no such protections with a stock library, nor should there be. a stock footage license almost always includes the ability to infinitely remix and rework the art, that's the point of stock footage. when people submit work to a stock library, they are explicitly told what's going to happen, and must agree to it to get paid. the ethical dilemma you're talking about does not exist with stock footage libraries, in a similar way as it not existing with public domain works. It’s why LLM’s that your building locally on a Big Mac Studio or high end graphic cards can in theory not be tainted. You can train something to write fan fiction on just your own writing and public domain books. People will get pissed, but ethically it’s not “stealing” like anti ai people like to claim.
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Yeah, it's absolutely possible to use this tech ethically, but the people most interested in pushing it are also not at all interested in ethics. Also unrelated, I like to remember when Capcom was showing off DragDog2 in one of their showcases and they were talking about enemy behavior and the narrator just goes "That's the power of AI!" and I've never seen a company more openly and nakedly just jingling keys in front of the shareholders lmao.
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Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, it's absolutely possible to use this tech ethically, but the people most interested in pushing it are also not at all interested in ethics. I know some romance writers that want to use it write romances faster. They love writing the romance but hate writing the sex scenes after publishing dozens of them. You can easily feed some of these models your own scenes and with enough dirty examples and it can write short (500-1000 word) scenes that with light editing can totally fit into a longer narrative work that are original. I have no problemWith that, but there’s enough witch hunting they have to be very quiet about this stuff. (Private discord servers and such).
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Goons: "What if AI takes over video games?" Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio's: SHITPOSTING TIME! https://i.imgur.com/0Hhbpiv.mp4
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AI'm gamin' ovah heah!
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Infinitum posted:Goons: "What if AI takes over video games?" God I can't wait.
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Infinitum posted:Goons: "What if AI takes over video games?" Bobobo rear end attack
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I could only think of this as I was reading all the palworld discourse
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Roadwarden is an amazing game that I feel would be better suited on a mobile device rather than a PC.
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I get all the arguments about AI but man, I really just don't care at all. Most of it sucks!GlyphGryph posted:What do you figure the best game AI is? FEAR
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(barry wheeler voice) Al!
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 "Ai ai ai!" - an AI
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GlyphGryph posted:What do you figure the best game AI is? Superfly Johnson
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FWIW Fortnite has the Flatfoot / Lady John McClain skin available for $12 today. It has made my entire month to finally get this skin on PC. She even has a duct-taped pistol backpack.  A couple of weeks ago they had Ripley and I lost my mind a little bit. Now I am set for life on Fortnite PC skins (but I will probably still buy more). I have also found myself favoring a pistol way more than I should be with this skin.
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virinvictus posted:Roadwarden is an amazing game that I feel would be better suited on a mobile device rather than a PC. Yeah I kinda felt that way too. I'd love it on my phone.
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The correct answer was SHODAN
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Right now in the AI space, most of what we see is useless and its just companies throwing stuff out there to see what stick. But the software developer that finds that lightning in the bottle that advances capitalism, is going to become massively wealthy, so that is what everyone is doing right now.
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databasic posted:Flatfoot / Lady John McClain Why didn’t they call it Jane McClon
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Hoping Bruce Willis sees some money off sales for it 
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databasic posted:FWIW Fortnite has the Flatfoot / Lady John McClain skin available for $12 today. It has made my entire month to finally get this skin on PC. She even has a duct-taped pistol backpack. I'm glad you found some skins you enjoy.
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Does Palworld run better than Pokémon? If so, put Pikachu's rear end on notice.
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