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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

carcinofuck posted:

what part of mere *clap* anarchy *clap* do you not understand??



PS what does AA entail in terms of uh, resources/capabilities? Like, if some no-AA having noobs were to obtain AA from their friend KJU, they would need...
1. the equipment, which is, what? like does anything a military force might already have overlap/interact with a newfound AA capability?
2. training (extensive?) how much of it would still be a skill issue?
3. other?

e: Unrelated #4: is there some other part of military infrastructure/equipment that will soon be amenable to being AliExpressed like drones?

Missiles and their guidance units need between quite a bit, to a lot, of service and maintenance. The more capable the system, the more maintenance, training, and support it requires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cz1o60PWog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLSPRTWIrlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D44rTHrb9p8

AA guns also need the same. There is still a regiment of Oerlikon AAA in war stores in Montreal and apparently they need to take it apart to maintain it more than once a year. When Skyguard was in service, all of the electronics on the guns, in BHQ, and of course the radars, needed to be maintained weekly with major maintenance before and after every exercise, I think like a week of maintenance near the end of their service lives.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 23:44 on Jan 21, 2024

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

Frosted Flake posted:



e: In all seriousness, what's being overlooked here is that Hitler and Mussolini were highly decorated soldiers who had been wounded multiple times. That didn't just inspire their later political projects, but also gave them the legitimacy to demand others run the same risks and make the same sacrifices.

Israeli leaders used to all be military leaders of some kind, Netanyahu only served five years, Itamar Ben-Gvir was exempted from service.

That's just resting on their laurels.

Mussolini does deserve credit for making explicit the core of bourgeois ideology, imo. The corporation really is the greatest guarantor of profit. Western statesmen & businessmen and the fascists were explicit about how much they inspired each other. Corporate HR departments are a means of extracting cooperation from labor by giving them the illusion of representation without their own organizational base of power. It's also no secret that labor unions are effectively government managed to cooperate with bourgeois interests. The First World has realized fascism in everything but name, we just don't recognize it because we're part of the franchise.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The Houthis would be approximately this exhausted if they wanted to operate the Oerlikons.

Griz
May 21, 2001




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WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That's just resting on their laurels.

Mussolini does deserve credit for making explicit the core of bourgeois ideology, imo. The corporation really is the greatest guarantor of profit. Western statesmen & businessmen and the fascists were explicit about how much they inspired each other. Corporate HR departments are a means of extracting cooperation from labor by giving them the illusion of representation without their own organizational base of power. It's also no secret that labor unions are effectively government managed to cooperate with bourgeois interests. The First World has realized fascism in everything but name, we just don't recognize it because we're part of the franchise.

This is actually just from a mistranslation. Corporazione =/= corporation. He was talking about the merger between a revived fascist medieval guild system and the state. Obviously, being fascists, they were all in favour of the continued dominance of the bourgeoisie, but Mussolini was a loving idiot who really thought you could have industrial capitalism while maintaining an explicitly feudal superstructure.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

This is actually just from a mistranslation. Corporazione =/= corporation. He was talking about the merger between a revived fascist medieval guild system and the state. Obviously, being fascists, they were all in favour of the continued dominance of the bourgeoisie, but Mussolini was a loving idiot who really thought you could have industrial capitalism while maintaining an explicitly feudal superstructure.

iirc it's because of how Italy industrialized, where Italian industrialization resembled medieval craftsmanship in terms of what was made, and how, and the resulting aesthetics and politics of that.

The Art of Objects: The Birth of Italian Industrial Culture, 1878-1928

The Art of Objects is a cultural history of early Italian industrialism, set against the political, social, and intellectual background of post-unification Italy, and a cutting-edge investigation of the formation of Italy's industrial culture at the turn of the twentieth century. Providing a close examination of several objects of mass consumption, including watches, photographs, bicycles, gramophones, cigarettes, and toys, author Luca Cottini explores the transformation of these objects from commercial items into aesthetic and philosophical icons.

By focusing on the cultural significance of these objects as they enter the market and appear in contemporary works of art and literature, The Art of Objects outlines a comprehensive view of the age between the unification of Italy and Fascism, encompassing production and consumption, aesthetics and entrepreneurship, industry and the humanistic tradition. The observation of the slow formation of new languages, practices, and experiences around these objects also provides valuable insight into the creative laboratory of Italy's early industrial culture. By reconstructing the origins of the Italian culture of design, the book ultimately investigates Italy's critical reception of industrialism, the nation's so-called "imperfect" modernization, and its ongoing quest for an original way to modernity.

I would guess this has continued through the present day, where the highest profile Italian goods are luxury cars, clothing etc. ?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Ardennes posted:

The Houthis have two stage anti-air missiles which is going to be enough to dissuade tactical bombing. You can’t fly that high if you want any hope of hitting a target otherwise it is longer range strikes until the stockpiles run low.

I hope AA swats down a B-52

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Frosted Flake posted:

Although Iran is behind every bad thing to ever happen to the US in the MENA, they are remarkably good at escalation management and not presenting the US with casus belli on a silver platter.

Also, pretty much every state actor wants capable AA systems as tightly controlled as possible, because if they can engage an attack jet they can also engage an airliner.

e: In the Middle East specifically, the Cypriot and Lebanese armies aren't even allowed to have capable AA systems because it would destabilize the region, the response to the Houthis getting them would be much more intense.

But by destabilize the resgion it means shooting down either Turks,Greeks, or Brits and IOF airpirates, respectively

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speng31b
May 8, 2010

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

gently caress the lions

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

This is actually just from a mistranslation. Corporazione =/= corporation. He was talking about the merger between a revived fascist medieval guild system and the state. Obviously, being fascists, they were all in favour of the continued dominance of the bourgeoisie, but Mussolini was a loving idiot who really thought you could have industrial capitalism while maintaining an explicitly feudal superstructure.

No, you're missing the point. The "corporation" and Corporazione are both instruments created to manage the cooperation of labor with capital. The form of the fascist corporation is incidental to its function. The fact that modern corporations are also structured to mitigate risk for its investors is an advancement of bourgeois power from historical fascism through the dissolution of responsibility.

Mr. Sharps
Jul 30, 2006

The only true law is that which leads to freedom. There is no other.



lol great av 16bbh, a real blast from the past

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1748853056614060204

no end date or estimation for when houthi capabilities will be adequately diminshed :shepface:

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


16-bit Butt-Head posted:

gently caress the lions

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Frosted Flake posted:

Although Iran is behind every bad thing to ever happen to the US in the MENA, they are remarkably good at escalation management and not presenting the US with casus belli on a silver platter.

Also, pretty much every state actor wants capable AA systems as tightly controlled as possible, because if they can engage an attack jet they can also engage an airliner.

e: In the Middle East specifically, the Cypriot and Lebanese armies aren't even allowed to have capable AA systems because it would destabilize the region, the response to the Houthis getting them would be much more intense.

In this case, regional stability is newspeak for "someone wants to bomb Beirut and Damascus risk free whenever they need a distraction from bad headlines"

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1749211174871167196?s=20
https://twitter.com/Aldanmarki/status/1749212491140252037?s=20

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1748692030782382231?s=20

That'll buff right out.

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

there are people on this planet who still believe the British command a respectable navy

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004


this use to be the biggest and best navy in the world

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Haaretz


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...bf-adf528170000

IDF: Israeli soldier thought to be captured was killed on Oct. 7, his body held in Gaza
Yaniv Kubovich
6:07 PM

The IDF announced that Staff Sgt. Shay Levinson, who was first believed to be taken hostage, was killed on October 7 and his body is being held in Gaza.

Levinson, 19, from Givat Avni, served in the 77th Battalion of the 7th Armored Brigade. He is now defined as a fallen IDF soldier taken by a terrorist organization.

The Chief Military Rabbi determined Levinson's death based on credible information and after examining findings.

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Haaretz


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...bf-adf528170000

Ten Israeli soldiers were wounded in Gaza combat over past day, three of them seriously, according to IDF reports
Yaniv Kubovich
3:21 PM

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Times of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/2-us-navy-seals-reported-missing-after-boarding-iranian-vessel-declared-deceased/

2 US Navy SEALs reported missing after boarding Iranian vessel declared ‘deceased’
By REUTERS
Today, 1:51 am

Two US Navy SEALs who went missing in the Gulf of Aden earlier this month have not been located and their status has been changed to deceased, military officials say.

The SEALs were reported missing after boarding an Iranian vessel in a Jan. 11 operation near the coast of Somali, the US Central Command says on X.

“We mourn the loss of our two Naval Special Warfare warriors, and we will forever honor their sacrifice and example. Our prayers are with the SEALs’ families, friends, the US Navy, and the entire Special Operations community during this time,” CENTCOM Commander General Michael Erik Kurilla said in a statement.

The US has carried out a string of strikes against Houthi targets in response to Iran-backed Houthi attacks on merchant ships in the Red Sea that have disrupted global trade and raised fears of supply bottlenecks.

US Central Command forces on Saturday struck a Houthi anti-ship missile that was aimed into the Gulf of Aden and prepared to launch, the US military said.

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Times of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-barkat-snipes-at-pm-over-aid-to-gaza-reported-openness-to-palestinian-state/

Report: Barkat snipes at PM over aid to Gaza, reported openness to Palestinian state
By TOI STAFF
21 January 2024, 11:04 pm

Economy Minister Nir Barkat reportedly clashed with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at Sunday’s cabinet meeting, panning the leader’s handling of the ongoing Israel-Hamas war, apparently citing a report that he has not ruled out a Palestinian state, the entry of humanitarian aid into the Strip, and the prospect of continued attacks by Hezbollah in the north.

Barkat, seen as a potential contender to lead the ruling Likud party, accused “the cabinet of conception” of continuing to make decisions as if they “haven’t learned a thing from the black Saturday” on October 7, taking swipes at the prime minister during a security assessment, several news outlets reported.

“Whoever thinks of giving the prize of a Palestinian state after October 7 will find they don’t have a government,” the minister warned, according to Channel 12 and Ynet.

Barkat has clashed in the past with Netanyahu over how the combat in Gaza is being conducted, decrying the shift of military operations to a less intensive phase.

Over the past few days, Netanyahu has repeatedly rejected the idea of a fully-fledged Palestinian state, after CNN reported that he told US President Joe Biden he hadn’t ruled out a two-state solution completely.

The CNN report noted that Biden had found recent conversations among his administration’s officials on a potential demilitarized future Palestinian state to be “intriguing.” A US official has confirmed the CNN report to The Times of Israel.

Biden himself said late Friday that the creation of an independent state for Palestinians is not impossible even while Netanyahu is still in office and that the two leaders had discussed the issue during their phone call earlier Friday.

Several other coalition ministers also ruled out the creation of a Palestinian state in response to the CNN report, claiming that such a move would endanger Israel’s security and bolster its enemies.

Barkat also appeared to criticize Israel’s ongoing strategy along the northern border, decrying the lack of “a horizon for residents returning to the north,” according to the report.

“We have lost the north. We have 200,000 Israeli refugees [from the north and south]. We lost it completely if you think they will go back when across the border the Radwan forces are waiting,” he reportedly said, referring to the elite forces of the Iran-backed Hezbollah terror group based in southern Lebanon.

Since October 8, 2023, a day after Hamas murdered some 1,200 people and kidnapped 253 in southern Israel, Hezbollah has engaged in cross-border fire on a near-daily basis, launching rockets, drones and missiles at northern Israel in a campaign it says is in support of Hamas as the terror group battles Israeli forces inside the Gaza Strip.

The attacks carried out by Hezbollah have forced some 80,000 residents of northern Israel to evacuate their homes, with no way of knowing when they will be able to safely return.

If Hezbollah cannot be made to retreat via diplomatic channels, Israel’s military leaders have repeatedly stated that they will be prepared to escalate the fighting.

Barkat then blasted the continuing entry of humanitarian assistance to the Gaza Strip while Hamas keeps holding onto 132 of the hostages it captured on October 7. Over 9,500 trucks have entered the Strip since Israel permitted aid to cross over on October 22, according to the IDF’s Coordinator for Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT).

International organizations and Israel’s allies, among them the United States, have pressured Israel to increase the rate of aid going into Gaza, in order to alleviate the growing humanitarian crisis in the enclave.

“It isn’t logical that we continue to supply goods, fuel, and flour to the Strip when our hostages are sitting in tunnels. It’s just ridiculous. There wasn’t a time in history where a country provided goods and fuel to an enemy state,” Barkat said, according to Channel 12.

Netanyahu reportedly replied: “It’s so that the world will let us continue the war.”

Barkat was said to respond: “You are still stuck in [old] conceptions.”


Netanyahu then charged there was “a danger of epidemics and diseases that can break out in Gaza,” to which Barkat responded: “What does the entry of goods and fuel have to do with preventing epidemics?”

Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli also reportedly chimed in, stating: “We are too humanitarian with Gaza and it is one-sided.”

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

pretty good evidence for the genocide trial there

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Frosted Flake posted:

iirc it's because of how Italy industrialized, where Italian industrialization resembled medieval craftsmanship in terms of what was made, and how, and the resulting aesthetics and politics of that.

The Art of Objects: The Birth of Italian Industrial Culture, 1878-1928

The Art of Objects is a cultural history of early Italian industrialism, set against the political, social, and intellectual background of post-unification Italy, and a cutting-edge investigation of the formation of Italy's industrial culture at the turn of the twentieth century. Providing a close examination of several objects of mass consumption, including watches, photographs, bicycles, gramophones, cigarettes, and toys, author Luca Cottini explores the transformation of these objects from commercial items into aesthetic and philosophical icons.

By focusing on the cultural significance of these objects as they enter the market and appear in contemporary works of art and literature, The Art of Objects outlines a comprehensive view of the age between the unification of Italy and Fascism, encompassing production and consumption, aesthetics and entrepreneurship, industry and the humanistic tradition. The observation of the slow formation of new languages, practices, and experiences around these objects also provides valuable insight into the creative laboratory of Italy's early industrial culture. By reconstructing the origins of the Italian culture of design, the book ultimately investigates Italy's critical reception of industrialism, the nation's so-called "imperfect" modernization, and its ongoing quest for an original way to modernity.

I would guess this has continued through the present day, where the highest profile Italian goods are luxury cars, clothing etc. ?

this is a drat good book btw

raisin kane
Dec 26, 2019

stop chidding yourself

External Organs
Mar 3, 2006

One time i prank called a bear buildin workshop and said I wanted my mamaws ashes put in a teddy from where she loved them things so well... The woman on the phone did not skip a beat. She just said, "Brang her on down here. We've did it before."

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/John_Hudson/status/1748853056614060204

no end date or estimation for when houthi capabilities will be adequately diminshed :shepface:

I remember when Houthi Mallow pierced the empire's hide...

boo boo bear
Oct 1, 2009

I'm COMPLETELY OBSESSED with SEXY EGGS
I choose to believe they smashed those boats on purpose, like a mini ratings mutiny, because the mission was entirely bullshit.

I have no proof of this and don't need any.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Why does the hull look like it's made of fiberglass?

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Honky Mao posted:

there are people on this planet who still believe the British command respect

Puppy Burner
Sep 9, 2011

boo boo bear posted:

I choose to believe they smashed those boats on purpose, like a mini ratings mutiny, because the mission was entirely bullshit.

I have no proof of this and don't need any.

I choose to believe the British hollowed out their navy to give tax cuts to pedophiles and this is actually the best they can do.

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

HMS Shiddingford

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005


Papier-mâché boats - what can you do? :shrug:

BeanpolePeckerwood
May 4, 2004

I MAY LOOK LIKE SHIT BUT IM ALSO DUMB AS FUCK



Pener Kropoopkin posted:

killing all the hostages would confirm that all Israelis are expendable in the state’s interest when Israeli identity is built on their indispensability. the difference between historical fascism and soy fascism is that the historical fascist sublimated himself to an order that gave him the power to kill in exchange for his life. the ideologically committed fascist sacrificed himself to the historical destiny of the nation, while fascist leadership insulated itself from risk. the ideal fascist was more or less an adventuring murderer. soy fascism is a nation of hitlers and mussolinis. there’s too many duces in the kitchen. everyone wants to kill but nobody is ready to die.

it’s a genuine psychic trauma to have this kind of self-supremacy openly and objectively disproven. if Israelis are in the wrong place and time the IOF will obliterate them no questions asked.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

That's just resting on their laurels.

Mussolini does deserve credit for making explicit the core of bourgeois ideology, imo. The corporation really is the greatest guarantor of profit. Western statesmen & businessmen and the fascists were explicit about how much they inspired each other. Corporate HR departments are a means of extracting cooperation from labor by giving them the illusion of representation without their own organizational base of power. It's also no secret that labor unions are effectively government managed to cooperate with bourgeois interests. The First World has realized fascism in everything but name, we just don't recognize it because we're part of the franchise.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

No, you're missing the point. The "corporation" and Corporazione are both instruments created to manage the cooperation of labor with capital. The form of the fascist corporation is incidental to its function. The fact that modern corporations are also structured to mitigate risk for its investors is an advancement of bourgeois power from historical fascism through the dissolution of responsibility.

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Frosted Flake posted:

iirc it's because of how Italy industrialized, where Italian industrialization resembled medieval craftsmanship in terms of what was made, and how, and the resulting aesthetics and politics of that.

The Art of Objects: The Birth of Italian Industrial Culture, 1878-1928

The Art of Objects is a cultural history of early Italian industrialism, set against the political, social, and intellectual background of post-unification Italy, and a cutting-edge investigation of the formation of Italy's industrial culture at the turn of the twentieth century. Providing a close examination of several objects of mass consumption, including watches, photographs, bicycles, gramophones, cigarettes, and toys, author Luca Cottini explores the transformation of these objects from commercial items into aesthetic and philosophical icons.

By focusing on the cultural significance of these objects as they enter the market and appear in contemporary works of art and literature, The Art of Objects outlines a comprehensive view of the age between the unification of Italy and Fascism, encompassing production and consumption, aesthetics and entrepreneurship, industry and the humanistic tradition. The observation of the slow formation of new languages, practices, and experiences around these objects also provides valuable insight into the creative laboratory of Italy's early industrial culture. By reconstructing the origins of the Italian culture of design, the book ultimately investigates Italy's critical reception of industrialism, the nation's so-called "imperfect" modernization, and its ongoing quest for an original way to modernity.

I would guess this has continued through the present day, where the highest profile Italian goods are luxury cars, clothing etc. ?

good posting

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Slavvy posted:

Why does the hull look like it's made of fiberglass?

because it is

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


I… I thought warships were steel

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007


bangor? i hardly even chiddingfold

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free
best fibreglass east of the brighty it is, takes a whollop and keeps on tickin mate, had ol greg from shiddingshire-on-avon piss in the mix, makes it stronger ya know! queen's navy trick that!

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
As I understand, those particular ships are minesweepers which are made out of fibreglass to avoid getting hit by magnetic mines.

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Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

1stGear posted:

As I understand, those particular ships are minesweepers which are made out of fibreglass to avoid getting hit by magnetic mines.

did the brits forget there's non magnetic metals?

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