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Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

Some Guy TT posted:

can you tell me more about this car like how much it cost you and what exactly a key safety feature is like does the car keep my keys safe or something

$29,000 AUD new, so really affordable given it has some extra functions not usually seem at that price point.

The safety report shows that occupants neck, chest and legs take significantly more damage in frontal off and full width collisions.

The features such as seatbelt pre tensioners and dynamic load tensioners, leg protection panel, they've announced they're going to add them sometime this year. This is to address the bad results for the aforementioned.

Soon as I saw the occupant safety results I cancelled the contract.

They didn't include things like blind spot monitoring in the Australian cars.

Bald Stalin has issued a correction as of 00:16 on Jan 22, 2024

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ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

genericnick posted:

I think that's diameter at ground level?

You take DBH which is diameter at breast height, and it seems to be logged.

So I'm guessing root flare. It's an important part of checking tree health. looking at the way the tree pits have metal grating, it should be regularly checked to make sure the root flare isn't being choked.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

genericnick posted:

I think that's diameter at ground level?

yeah it’s this

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

1stGear posted:

assuming the west doesn't collapse politically and economically immediately, no the west wins.
the simple fact that america has no land borders against enemies it has to defend, and the combined western industrial capacity being able to adjust given enough time to do, means it will win- again.

America could be making an F-22 squadron ever other week, it isn't.
There's more thanks than the Army could ever use sitting in a depot in a desert.
They have practically infinite space and blue sky to train and equip new units.

It'd suck and 500 million people would die, but so long as the west retains the will to fight (not a certainty) it will always win. Unless China somehow invades the west coast and razes everything up to Montana within a year, they will inevitably lose.

this is great because 'as long as they retain the will to fight they will always win' could describe almost any country in almost any hypothetical conflict, since waging war to annihilation isn't exactly the norm and most wars end when one side decides continuing to fight isn't worth it anymore. 'assuming the west doesn't collapse politically and economically, the west wins', is more or less a tautology; you can simplify that statement to 'if they lose, they lose', which is technically true but completely meaningless

also love that in every one of these hypothetical fantasies the US is always presumed to be waging a defensive war, even though the last time that happened (unless you count the ACW) was over two hundred years ago

in that specific context it isn't exactly wrong, either, there is no other country on the planet that has the means to actually threaten the US metropole through conventional military means, but it commits an even worse sin than being wrong, namely being irrelevant. that scenario is never going to happen, that is not a war the US is ever going to have to wage; the fact that China would never be able to invade California is offset by the simple fact that they have absolutely no reason to, even in a hypothetical world war

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
There's also the factor that just as China could only enforce maximalist goals in a conventional total war by an absurd presence in California and opening a wide front while cutting off critical materials, America could only enforce maximalist goals in a conventional total war by an absurd presence in Siberia and opening a wide front while cutting off critical materials. The entire point of US foreign policy from Kissinger on was to prevent Eurasia from being just as secure a continental island as we are, and in the past two years we've blown that completely--I always hated he was still alive, but in retrospect I'm glad he lived to see his life's work burned in the name of Hillary's honor and reflexive anti-Slavism by his equally evil but significantly dumber disciples.

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

Mandoric posted:

There's also the factor that just as China could only enforce maximalist goals in a conventional total war by an absurd presence in California and opening a wide front while cutting off critical materials, America could only enforce maximalist goals in a conventional total war by an absurd presence in Siberia and opening a wide front while cutting off critical materials. The entire point of US foreign policy from Kissinger on was to prevent Eurasia from being just as secure a continental island as we are, and in the past two years we've blown that completely--I always hated he was still alive, but in retrospect I'm glad he lived to see his life's work burned in the name of Hillary's honor and reflexive anti-Slavism by his equally evil but significantly dumber disciples.

yeah putin practically begging to join the west and successively dumber leaders forcing him to heal the sino-soviet split will go down as an all time lol way to squander an empire

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Eminent DNS posted:

The amount of fundamental changes American society would require to (re)industrialize to that degree would be such that it would be no longer recognizable as "American" (as we understand it) and wouldn't necessarily be at the mercy of the current broken decision-making system. In that case, it's hard to believe that this new society would begin or continue this war you're envisioning.

Tldr a US that reindustralizes wouldn't be a US that goes to war with China

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


it was mentioned earlier but I’ll try again: anyone know a great book on the Sino Soviet split?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I've read a biography about Deng, and a book about the Sino-Vietnamese War, and there's been some excellent posts in this thread, but I don't know of a book dedicated to the Split specifically

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
yeah, i don't know a definitive source. most of what i've seen about it is from a peripheral perspective like "china's foreign policy history" or "here's what was going on in china and the ussr during the korean war" (blowback).

crepeface posted:

I just finished listening to a 6 hour podcast (7 parts) about China's foreign policy from 1949 to the present while assembling some furniture so obtuse and diabolical that I'm convinced that this is China's revenge strike for the century of humiliation.

anyway, they attribute the largest break of sino-soviet relations as because of krushev meeting the Americans and agreeing on peace and nuclear non-proliferation at a meeting that excluded China while the US were aggressive in their region. USSR didn't like that china wasn't accepting their lead and recalled the scientists they had stationed in China for over a decade giving them help. china felt like USSR was behaving like a "great nation" dictating terms rather than promoting socialism and the US exploited these divisions by playing them against each other.

but even before Stalin's death, there were differences like Soviets being less globally confrontational than China, who were building up allies in the third world. there were also differences in how China chose to develop its economy compared to the path the USSR took (more focus on peasants etc)

part 1 is more focused on setting up the state of affairs with USSR and USA but is still probably worth listening, but part 2 is where they focus on the Sino-Soviet split:
https://twitter.com/TheSocProgram/status/1390419032826781697?t=Thi6X7GZ8BGNeep6Wx-2uA&s=19

or you can mainline the whole thing:
https://twitter.com/TheSocProgram/status/1421526521060093955?s=19

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I don't think there is a deciding moment of the Sino-Soviet split. It's just a lot of small doses bad blood and reconciliations and the two sides just grew further and further apart.

I would try to group them into these stages so you know its hard to put them into 1 book.

Pre-communist era, the Tsarist Russia had been pushing into the Manchu ancestral homeland in far east over the span of the later half of Qing dynasty, they got as south as the Luhsun harbor until Russia lost it to Japan in the Russo-Japanese war.

The Chinese civil war era, which started roughly the same time as the Russia civil war after WW1 but lasted much longer. Stalin wasn't always the biggest supporter of the Chinese Communist Party and Mao, he was sometimes more supportive to the KMT and other more orthodox faction of CCP. Stalin only threw all his support to the CCP side after the defeat of Japan.

Mao era before Stalin's death. There were a lot of geopolitical issues Mao didn't get satisfactory resolutions from Stalin but he never publicly clashed with Stalin. One was turning the Outer Mongolia province into a bufferzone country, Mao and other CCP leaders went to Moscow a few times to try to prevent this. Another issue was the defensive formation in Northeast Asia after the Korea war. There was very little detail of the inner negotiation over this but you can sense the disagreements between PRC and Soviet. Just ask yourself this, why was there US troop station in S Korea but no Chinese troops station in N Korea; why was there no East Asia version of the Warsaw pack; why didn't the Soviet navy leave Lushun after the founding of PRC in 49 but in 1955.

The next era is the more famous sino-soviet split ear. There are alot of info you can find online. Personally, I am still not sure how much was due to the Khrushchev/Mao personality clash, how much was due to the underlying geopolitical conflict of interest between the two countries. I just want to highlight the 156 heavy industrial projects Soviet helped PRC established during the foundation of the country, many Chinese still consider this was as important as the Marshall plan to Europe.

The next era is the Kissinger visit. Assuming you know the main chronology of the events. I think there hasn't been enough discussion of what Soviet's countermeasure was at the time immediately after China and US walking close. I would definitely like to read more history from this part of the global realignment.

The clipnote version of Nixon visited China was, after nearly 10 years of China and the US haggling it over, US kind of helped China got back into the UN and kicked ROC out; US and China agreed on the "One China Policy" after many rounds of negotiation; China secretly helped Afghanistan fought Soviet; and Soviet funded Vietnam to started trouble in China's backyard.

I am not sure whether PRC could have gotten back to UN especially back in P5 if US was insistent on cockblocking PRC. OTOH, If Sino-Soviet split didn't happen, they probably could have gathered enough third world support to roll their alternate UN.

I am skipping over a ton of details but I just want to write down the parts thats interesting to me.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 05:13 on Jan 22, 2024

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Donald the Dove

https://twitter.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/1748871427850166429

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
during the last US elections i said you could do a good troll by suggesting that trump was the peace candidate but it's probably unironically true now

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

he was an aberration by not starting any new wars, a first in my lifetime

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

I was so pissed when Trump tried to start a war with Iran but since then genocide Joe has tried to start ww3 on multiple fronts

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

the horrors of hypothetical war

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

drat he keeps getting stuff right

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!
Brains are going to explode when he wins again. Nobody here believes me when I tell them.

mark immune
Dec 14, 2019

put the teacher in the cope cage imo

Bald Stalin posted:

Brains are going to explode when he wins again. Nobody here believes me when I tell them.

i believe you bald stalin

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Bald Stalin posted:

Brains are going to explode when he wins again. Nobody here believes me when I tell them.

The only way he could not win is to die first.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
lol @ germany destroying volkswagen parallel imports from china priced at 1/3 versus their domestic made

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

comedyblissoption posted:

he was an aberration by not starting any new wars, a first in my lifetime

the only reason he didn't is because of Iranian restraint

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 5 hours!

mark immune posted:

i believe you bald stalin

<3

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

comedyblissoption posted:

the horrors of hypothetical war

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



People in 2001 - mad at bush for starting a war

People in 2025 - mad at trump for ending a war (ukraine) and not starting one (taiwan)

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Cao Ni Ma posted:

People in 2001 - mad at bush for starting a war

People in 2025 - mad at trump for ending a war (ukraine) and not starting one (taiwan)

People in 2001 - frustrated with growing corruption in the state. But at least they're not involved in any wars.

People in 2025 - extremely happy with their government and hope that their president serves another term. There continues to be no wars.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Votskomit posted:

People in 2001 - frustrated with growing corruption in the state. But at least they're not involved in any wars.

People in 2025 - extremely happy with their government and hope that their president serves another term. There continues to be no wars.

But at what cost?

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

North Korea has apparently been talking about finalizing a nuclear submarine and are looking to roll out nuclear drones so they've got a complete triad now

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Grapplejack posted:

North Korea has apparently been talking about finalizing a nuclear submarine and are looking to roll out nuclear drones so they've got a complete triad now

Wtf is a nuclear drone. Like a nuclear reactor on an unmanned helicopter?

Or a predator drone that carries a nuclear bomb?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
a weapon to surpass metal gear...

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

North Korean nuclear drone swarm is already on my vision board

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Votskomit posted:

Wtf is a nuclear drone. Like a nuclear reactor on an unmanned helicopter?

Or a predator drone that carries a nuclear bomb?

maybe like the one Russia has? It's a giant unmanned nuclear torpedo that can just cruise around the ocean before irradiating a coastline

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Raccooon
Dec 5, 2009

crepeface posted:

during the last US elections i said you could do a good troll by suggesting that trump was the peace candidate but it's probably unironically true now

Anyone got the article or book page that had Trump asking why he couldn’t use the military aid to Israel as leverage to force Israel to negotiate with Palestine lol.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/KFACambodia/status/1747517969864003913?t=eN6nctltywnpuUbe-1FJKA&s=19

Is it just me or has the decline in South Korea, whether in foreign or domestic politics, been greatly accelerated by its current president

ehhh only in the same sense that trump greatly accelerated the decline of the united states the timing of the election makes him an easy figure to blame but functional countries dont collapse just because they had one stupid election

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Votskomit posted:

During COVID one of the new variants was identified in South Africa because we have good virology departments. Everyone called it the South African variant, even though our researchers indicated that the variant had not originated here.

despite any cursory analysis of the relevant reporting showing that the variant didnt originate in africa that notorious science hating racist trump still issued a travel ban on african countries that didnt even have any confirmed cases of it

oh wait did i say trump i meant biden sorry im always mixing those two up

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

stephenthinkpad posted:

China secretly helped Afghanistan fought Soviet;

Could somebody expand on this?

crepeface posted:

during the last US elections i said you could do a good troll by suggesting that trump was the peace candidate but it's probably unironically true now

Trump has always been the peace candidate. It was a big part of his messaging in 2016, attacking Jeb over George's wars etc. Biden had better messaging than Killary "no fly zone over Syria" Kkklinton but anyone with half a brain knew he would be a continuation of the Obama administration's policies but worse.

ughhhh posted:

You take DBH which is diameter at breast height, and it seems to be logged.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
Honestly I think it's part of why Trump was so popular in China. Every buzzcut rolls his shirt up in the morning dreaming of being Trump some day.

syq

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

everyone should aspire to be the coolest and funniest president

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Steering the controlled decline of the America empire with Twitter. King.

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