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I was thinking back on the whole string-breaking thing and I'm pretty sure I know what Rothfuss was watching for inspiration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKf-mU6QrJs Except Kvothe has to do it cooler so he just keeps playing
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queef anxiety posted:Unban botl
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not only was the guy hysterical, but wow has opinion of rothfuss changed over the years
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Fobby posted:I'm thinking of the vignette where he drugs the teenage rape victims and creepily strokes their hair while they're half-conscious because one looks like the girl he's obsessed with, then convinces them that he's not one of the dangerous man as if he's taming a skittish horse, then gives them all the recovered stolen money because they're damaged goods now and the more details I remember the more disgusted I am with that whole book. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the worst scene. It was really bad. Fun fact, that was actually the short story that got Rothfuss all the attention that led to Kingkiller Chronicles being picked up as a novel. It was just dropped in unedited, which is why the framing story suddenly disappears and the story acts like Kvothe is this mysterious new person you don’t know anything about, so he has to seem dangerous only for the trick-reveal that he’s actually the good guy to work, even though it makes no sense in the actual novel. Nah.
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cumpantry posted:not only was the guy hysterical, but wow has opinion of rothfuss changed over the years I mean, the first page of the thread is from 2017 and nobody there seems any more positive about Rothfuss or the books than they are now. It's not like BotL got run out of town for going against the thread's hivemind of loving the student loan adventures. Fobby posted:I'm thinking of the vignette where he drugs the teenage rape victims and creepily strokes their hair while they're half-conscious because one looks like the girl he's obsessed with, then convinces them that he's not one of the dangerous man as if he's taming a skittish horse, then gives them all the recovered stolen money because they're damaged goods now and the more details I remember the more disgusted I am with that whole book. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the worst scene. In fifteen minutes she was asleep. I covered the two of them with a blanket and watched their faces. In sleep they were even more beautiful than before. I reached out to brush a strand of hair from Krin’s cheek. To my surprise, she opened her eyes and stared at me. Not the marble stare she had given me before, she looked at me with the dark eyes of a young Denna. I froze with my hand on her cheek. We watched each other for a second. Then her eyes drew closed again. I couldn’t tell if it was the drug pulling her under, or her own will surrendering to sleep.
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Kchama posted:It was really bad. Fun fact, that was actually the short story that got Rothfuss all the attention that led to Kingkiller Chronicles being picked up as a novel. This is so wild because even on its own it's a bad story that at best is written with proper grammar. Gary Stu wanders into a camp, realizes the people there are all faking who they claim to be, murders them all for it, and then gets to justify it because it turns out they are in fact Bad People while he himself acts like the creepiest 90s cringe antihero possible. Lottery of Babylon posted:In fifteen minutes she was asleep. I covered the two of them with a blanket and watched their faces. This is the kind of poo poo you'd expect to be written by a rapist and/or serial killer prior to them going over the edge. Which isn't surprising given the kind of "feminist" Rothfuss is and that he looks like a goony eldritch horror that slowly devours hobos and incorporates them into his visage.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I play a bit of guitar and I'm far from any good, but conceptually I could see a couple of approaches. Honestly, I think you're making it sound more impressive and difficult than it really is. You can play the same chords with multiple shapes and you can always move some notes or entire chords up or down an octave.
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Evil Fluffy posted:This is so wild because even on its own it's a bad story that at best is written with proper grammar. Gary Stu wanders into a camp, realizes the people there are all faking who they claim to be, murders them all for it, and then gets to justify it because it turns out they are in fact Bad People while he himself acts like the creepiest 90s cringe antihero possible. It's fine- he feels a socially correct amount of remorse afterwards to indicate he's not a psychopath before a wise old village woman confirms he's in the clear because Some People Need Killing.
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He does a little bit of planting/payoff for the string thing, at least. His time in the idyllic countryside has a hiccup because his father's lute (or whatever) snaps a string and he teaches himself to play the songs without that string. I dunno poo poo about music but that's just how the narrative shows he's prepared and exceptional to beat his bully. It's probably not how music and playing the lute really works, but at least it's planted.
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Jan 16, 2024 18:27
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P. Rothfuss, stoking his beard thoughtfully: Many lesser writers are amazed by, and envious of, my mastery of the obscure literary technique known as “foreshadowing”.
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Chicken Butt posted:P. Rothfuss, stoking his beard thoughtfully: Many lesser writers are amazed by, and envious of, my mastery of the obscure literary technique known as “foreshadowing”. 
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Evil Fluffy posted:This is so wild because even on its own it's a bad story that at best is written with proper grammar. Gary Stu wanders into a camp, realizes the people there are all faking who they claim to be, murders them all for it, and then gets to justify it because it turns out they are in fact Bad People while he himself acts like the creepiest 90s cringe antihero possible. It’s funny because earlier in the story it is established that it is literally impossible for Kvothe to rape a woman, because when he was drugged with this drug that literally takes away all your inhibitions and morals, he still refused to rape a woman because That’s How Good A Person He Is. Also the bit has him kill these women who were in the fake troupe even though they claimed that they had been forced into helping them or they’d suffer like the two kidnapped girls did. Because as women they deserved death doubly so for betraying their gender, even when it was probably coerced.
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One of the bigger hallmarks of a bad writer is when they want to take a character in a fantasy medieval setting but make them the only one with 21st century morality standards and have it come up as a sign of how great the hero is for thinking all those things. It does more to imply the writer is writing themselves into the character then actually creating something organic and molded to the setting.
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goddamn that av has a fat rear end (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I forgot that the timeline makes it clear he poisoned everyone before he found the kidnapped girls, and had apparently always planned to murder them while they were helpless from the poison for the crime of pickpocketing while pretending to be Edema Ruh. Which yaknow, puts his whole spiel about how he killed the ladies for being Gender Traitors in a new light.
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cumpantry posted:goddamn that av has a fat rear end That AV is more tame than some actual game art of the character (because Cygames knows its audience).
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Kchama posted:I forgot that the timeline makes it clear he poisoned everyone before he found the kidnapped girls, and had apparently always planned to murder them while they were helpless from the poison for the crime of pickpocketing while pretending to be Edema Ruh. See, I would merrily read a black-comedy about a horribly evil person who thinks that because they follow a (deranged, nonsensical) moral code that they're somehow a good guy and better than all those *other* murderous monsters. Heck, that's practically Breaking Bad.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:See, I would merrily read a black-comedy about a horribly evil person who thinks that because they follow a (deranged, nonsensical) moral code that they're somehow a good guy and better than all those *other* murderous monsters. 
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Strom Cuzewon posted:See, I would merrily read a black-comedy about a horribly evil person who thinks that because they follow a (deranged, nonsensical) moral code that they're somehow a good guy and better than all those *other* murderous monsters. Heck, that's practically Breaking Bad. That's basically just Dexter, which is yes a lot better.
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PeterWeller posted:Honestly, I think you're making it sound more impressive and difficult than it really is. You can play the same chords with multiple shapes and you can always move some notes or entire chords up or down an octave. Like I said, I'm not very good so from my perspective doing this kind of thing on the fly would be pretty impressive. If you're suggesting it's actually much easier if you're at all familiar with the instrument, then it seems like Rothfuss really did overshoot and is hoping people know jack poo poo about playing music. Strom Cuzewon posted:See, I would merrily read a black-comedy about a horribly evil person who thinks that because they follow a (deranged, nonsensical) moral code that they're somehow a good guy and better than all those *other* murderous monsters. Heck, that's practically Breaking Bad. Have you read The Book of the New Sun? It's about how a journeyman in the Guild of Torturers has to become king of Earth to save humanity from itself because he's just that good a guy.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Like I said, I'm not very good so from my perspective doing this kind of thing on the fly would be pretty impressive. If you're suggesting it's actually much easier if you're at all familiar with the instrument, then it seems like Rothfuss really did overshoot and is hoping people know jack poo poo about playing music. Yeah, I'm a mediocre guitar player and couldn't transpose on the fly when playing guitar, but I'm a good enough bass player that I could play around a broken string, and I'm just some rear end in a top hat who likes to play along with records at home, so somebody of Kvothe's skill level should have no problem at all.
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, I'm a mediocre guitar player and couldn't transpose on the fly when playing guitar, but I'm a good enough bass player that I could play around a broken string, and I'm just some rear end in a top hat who likes to play along with records at home, so somebody of Kvothe's skill level should have no problem at all. It's been a long time but the song in question Kvothe is supposed to be so difficult it breaks the minds of lesser performers who can never pull it off. Like everyone in that Tavern is getting an experience only the wealthiest nobility can afford.
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It still feels to me like Rothfuss saw someone play Through the Fire and Flames on Guitar Hero and based the scene on that.
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, I'm a mediocre guitar player and couldn't transpose on the fly when playing guitar, but I'm a good enough bass player that I could play around a broken string, and I'm just some rear end in a top hat who likes to play along with records at home, so somebody of Kvothe's skill level should have no problem at all. I admittedly play a wind instrument, where it feels like losing one of the keys would be something I couldn't just work around without changing the sound of the song to a noticible degree.
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Apparently Rothfuss based the lute string breaking thing on dramatizations of the violin player Paganini's life, who would break strings during his performances on purpose by filing notches into them to weaken them. The dramatizations involve a rival causing all but one of the strings to break, and somehow Paganini is still able to complete the performance. Rothfuss basically took the average of the reality and dramatization, involving the rival but not having all the strings break. However I have no idea if what Paganini did on violin is also possible on the lute. Anyway, it proves that even the parts of the story we're arguing about are cribbed from other things.
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Didn't they make that into an actual book recently? You wanna talk about subverting expectations and genre twisting.
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Hammer Bro. posted:Didn't they make that into an actual book recently? Garth has released two books now, saw him at a book tour recently and he's doing great. I just don't think people were ready for anything that raw back in the 80s so it's great to see hia renaissance now 
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No Dignity posted:Garth has released two books now, saw him at a book tour recently and he's doing great. I just don't think people were ready for anything that raw back in the 80s so it's great to see hia renaissance now We are now as far from when that show aired as it was from the time period it was portraying.
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pentyne posted:We are now as far from when that show aired as it was from the time period it was portraying. No that's stupid that can't be rightohgodnoooo
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Ccs posted:Apparently Rothfuss based the lute string breaking thing on dramatizations of the violin player Paganini's life, who would break strings during his performances on purpose by filing notches into them to weaken them. The dramatizations involve a rival causing all but one of the strings to break, and somehow Paganini is still able to complete the performance. As a violinist, this still requires a ton of muscle memory to pull off for something like those big flashy concertos Kvothe is supposed to be aping. There's a reason the joke is "six months to learn a piece," but I'm honestly not too mad about that particular moment happening for a supposedly legendary musician. Of course, actual violinists like Paganini are going to put in a ton of time repeating various passages for technical correctness, exercises, etc that somehow never show up in Kvothe's musical tradition. I don't care how much talent you are, you don't become Heifetz or Bell overnight without a ton of practicing or effort, and you're certainly not going to try to play "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" on hard mode as a joke.
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I know GRRM won't ever release another book, just like Rothfuss. But in theory, would the reaction to GoT's ending make it easier to write the ending of your book series?
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gonna barge into this thread and say the only reason i know about this guy at all is because he wrote the introduction to newest edtion to the last unicorn, and Its interesting. reading over the thread, it sounds like he is a shittier GRRM but his character is a mary sue and maybe a couple of his books are solid. anyway his intro to the last unicorn isn't BAD, i actually like that its mostly kinda of weird rant about how alot of lit classes(i took a bunch in college) kinda forget that reading the book and finding what you love about them instead of "write an essay about the themes and how it ties into the industrial society" so you end up treating the book like a word search then anything deeper. that being said, he mostly talked about himself.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:gonna barge into this thread and say the only reason i know about this guy at all is because he wrote the introduction to newest edtion to the last unicorn, and Its interesting. reading over the thread, it sounds like he is a shittier GRRM but his character is a mary sue and maybe a couple of his books are solid. anyway his intro to the last unicorn isn't BAD, i actually like that its mostly kinda of weird rant about how alot of lit classes(i took a bunch in college) kinda forget that reading the book and finding what you love about them instead of "write an essay about the themes and how it ties into the industrial society" so you end up treating the book like a word search then anything deeper. that being said, he mostly talked about himself. No, none of his books are solid. Also he's only written two books and two novella. Talking about himself is a theme. He freaking complained that no one on GoodReads gives him any respect these days after he stopped posting reviews for like a year so they forgot who he was. Also he then went on to say that oh yeah he never actually reviewed the book he was supposedly reviewing and just used the review as a personal blog.
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Kchama posted:No, none of his books are solid. yeah, like i didnt even think it was BAD introduction mostly because i do get tired of "here is a summery of the book and how it reperesents (insert theme here) and ranges into critical theory stuff. none of which is bad, but i just found it a breath of fresh air, but my guess is he didnt take any writing lessons from the last unicorn, which is a amazing fantasy book. https://www.amazon.com/Last-Unicorn...aps%2C95&sr=8-4 its the intro for this print and the audio version. the book is great in general so if you want an extra laugh at his expense, get it. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Complaining that his college Lit courses weren't just about vibes explains a lot about Rothfuss.
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PeterWeller posted:Complaining that his college Lit courses weren't just about vibes explains a lot about Rothfuss. yeah, from reading the thread it sounds it. i dont think it was THAT point exactly but yeah after reading a bunch of this thread, i am not shocked about it.
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Using his Famous Author status to write an introduction for a better book where he primarily talks about himself and complains about academia is very on-brand for Rothfuss
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mewse posted:Using his Famous Author status to write an introduction for a better book where he primarily talks about himself and complains about academia is very on-brand for Rothfuss yeah. like all he everwrote was GRRM stuff with more weird hosed up poo poo and a mary sue protag and this dudes writing an intro for one of the best one off(mostly) fantasy books thats mostly just about introspection, rememberance and death. lol https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4043579 also gonna shill my thread on the last unicorn.
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PeterWeller posted:Complaining that his college Lit courses weren't just about vibes explains a lot about Rothfuss. Isn't he a college Lit professor himself now? I can only imagine how many potential writers he's poisoned.
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9am, standing in front of the spring Critical Thinking And Writing section I’m lecturing, mad that I didn’t get to sleep in today after playing Fallout 4 all night the night before. how would Joss Whedon handle this, I wonder to myself
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