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Someone linked me an article about a crackdown on LGBTQ+ things in China. I doubt it is a central directive, but is there anything about this that I can point to?
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Jan 22, 2024 23:52
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This article ? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/jan/15/its-difficult-to-survive-chinas-lgbtq-advocates-face-jail-and-forced-confession
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Jan 22, 2024 23:58
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Weka posted:Could somebody expand on this? this is directly due to the sino-soviet split, where China saw Soviet actions in Afghanistan as 1. a form of imperialism and 2. directly threatening China's role and presence in the region. Deng pulled back heavily w/r/t the USSR and relations iced over, and a sort of informal anti-soviet bloc between the US and China started up here in Afghanistan, with the bloc offering training and material to the Mujahideen
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Jan 23, 2024 00:01
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Bald Stalin posted:This article ? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/jan/15/its-difficult-to-survive-chinas-lgbtq-advocates-face-jail-and-forced-confession Yep! TBF I am not going to trust noted TERF rag the Guardian on this, but it was something I wanted to examine and get more info on.
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Jan 23, 2024 00:05
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iirc from an episode of radio war nerd, the us flew tennessee donkeys to the hindu kush mountains to help the mujahideen with logistics, but they just immediately died from the environment, and china had to send a bunch of steppe donkeys to replace them.
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Jan 23, 2024 00:09
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Scrree posted:iirc from an episode of radio war nerd, the us flew tennessee donkeys to the hindu kush mountains to help the mujahideen with logistics, but they just immediately died from the environment, and china had to send a bunch of steppe donkeys to replace them. If you do reading for this poo poo for whatever reason you'll see a lot of English Language stuff be like "oh yeah China contributed but barely, it was largely US/NATO support" and that's 100% cope, the soviets would have very easily handled afghanistan if china wasn't involved
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Jan 23, 2024 00:13
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Scrree posted:iirc from an episode of radio war nerd, the us flew tennessee donkeys to the hindu kush mountains to help the mujahideen with logistics, but they just immediately died from the environment, and china had to send a bunch of steppe donkeys to replace them. lol
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Jan 23, 2024 00:13
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Grapplejack posted:If you do reading for this poo poo for whatever reason you'll see a lot of English Language stuff be like "oh yeah China contributed but barely, it was largely US/NATO support" and that's 100% cope, the soviets would have very easily handled afghanistan if china wasn't involved Idk, I never got the sense that they had any clear idea of how to handle Afghanistan, except that they wanted out again.
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Jan 23, 2024 00:30
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fits my needs posted:Honestly I think it's part of why Trump was so popular in China. Every buzzcut rolls his shirt up in the morning dreaming of being Trump some day.
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Jan 23, 2024 00:44
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LGBT acceptance has been used by the west to justify cultural and political chauvinism, with the implication that accepting LGBT people is a sign of the west's cultural and moral superiority. The pinkwashing of Israel is a prime example. So LGBT acceptance is viewed by most non-western aligned states and cultures as a form of western cultural imperialism and encroachment. LGBT repression thereby becomes a way of distinguishing themselves from the West and plays well to domestic audiences, this social rejection of the west can also be used to cover up economic capitulation to the west. The west is wrong for pinkwashing. Non-western states are extremely wrong for oppressing LGBT people; and incredibly marginalized non-western LGBT people suffer for it. It's a genuinely horrible situation and one of my major disappointments with modern communist parties. Although China is stagnating or occasionally back-sliding in this issue (non-coincidentally when the US has increased its belligerence towards them), the communists in Cuba and (to my understanding) Vietnam are progressing on this issue.
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Jan 23, 2024 01:12
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Honestly what were they even trying to say here. I can't even pierce through the racism to understand it. lol libs still believe trump isnt popular in the states mostly because dems suck so hard and they still wanna project it elsewhere
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Jan 23, 2024 01:32
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stephenthinkpad posted:I don't think there is a deciding moment of the Sino-Soviet split. It's just a lot of small doses bad blood and reconciliations and the two sides just grew further and further apart. I read this pretty good thriller from 1979 about the lin biao incident/project 571, the plot is that the soviets want to depose mao to avert prc/us detente, and so MI6 has to save mao by breaking the soviet code, lol   https://paperbackgods.blogspot.com/2023/12/goodbye-chairman-mao-by-christopher-new.html
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Jan 23, 2024 01:34
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So anyone got updates on the Ram mandir fiasco?
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Jan 23, 2024 01:50
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All I know is that its apparently our jerusalem apparently. Also during it's construction a bunch of actually existing temples and shrines were broken down.
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Jan 23, 2024 02:01
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unwantedplatypus posted:LGBT acceptance has been used by the west to justify cultural and political chauvinism, with the implication that accepting LGBT people is a sign of the west's cultural and moral superiority. The pinkwashing of Israel is a prime example. So LGBT acceptance is viewed by most non-western aligned states and cultures as a form of western cultural imperialism and encroachment. LGBT repression thereby becomes a way of distinguishing themselves from the West and plays well to domestic audiences, this social rejection of the west can also be used to cover up economic capitulation to the west. there's very little effort by western LGBT people to push back against this because people part of these communities who do so get shamed for being "self-hating" and alienated
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Jan 23, 2024 02:12
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unwantedplatypus posted:It's a genuinely horrible situation and one of my major disappointments with modern communist parties. Although China is stagnating or occasionally back-sliding in this issue (non-coincidentally when the US has increased its belligerence towards them), the communists in Cuba and (to my understanding) Vietnam are progressing on this issue. In Cuba trans people can get the treatment they need for free. Edit: I was wrong about cuba recognizing same sex marriage before the USA, they got it in 22 Bald Stalin has issued a correction as of 02:23 on Jan 23, 2024 |
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Jan 23, 2024 02:19
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:what's extremely not helping is that the US media and assorted credulous liberals love to prop up LGBT people who just so happen to promote all of the US imperial goals and neoliberal economics War crimes aren't as crimey if it's a black lesbian army general ordering a trans drone pilot to bomb a wedding
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Jan 23, 2024 02:25
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australia has only had gay marriage for china doesn't have same-sex marriage like basically every other country in asia but how bad is it actually to be a LGBT person on the ground? where are they backsliding?
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Jan 23, 2024 02:36
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crepeface posted:australia has only had gay marriage for There have been a case or two of the Chinese government rejecting same sex marriage cases, other then that it's very much a don't tell don't ask situation. Although there are many trans and LGBT celebrities which all seem to be well accepted and popular. GlassEye-Boy has issued a correction as of 02:47 on Jan 23, 2024 |
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Jan 23, 2024 02:44
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Bald Stalin posted:This article ? https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/jan/15/its-difficult-to-survive-chinas-lgbtq-advocates-face-jail-and-forced-confession lol this article opens with a passage about a girl who runs away from a strict family but lists her friend's age before telling us the victim was over 18. hmm, why not just tell us her actual age upfront? family calls the police and reports their child has been missing. wow, authouritarian police state!! quote:Shanghai Pride, the country’s longest-running celebration for sexual minorities, ended in 2020. 2020, the year of massive public celebrations
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Jan 23, 2024 02:47
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crepeface posted:2020, the year of massive public celebrations well, yeah. we ousted trump 
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Jan 23, 2024 02:54
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Weka posted:Could somebody expand on this? They provided arms as well as allowing volunteer forces, primarily from Xinjiang, to fight in Afghanistan. It was these returning fighters that found a much more fundamentalist Islam in Afghanistan that brought it back with them and made up the core of the ETIM. Bald Stalin posted:In Cuba trans people can get the treatment they need for free. They did decriminalise homosexual sex well before the US though
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Jan 23, 2024 02:55
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Tankbuster posted:All I know is that its apparently our jerusalem apparently. Also during it's construction a bunch of actually existing temples and shrines were broken down. wasn’t it built over a demolished mosque?
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Jan 23, 2024 03:19
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:They provided arms as well as allowing volunteer forces, primarily from Xinjiang, to fight in Afghanistan. It was these returning fighters that found a much more fundamentalist Islam in Afghanistan that brought it back with them and made up the core of the ETIM. Chinese official and casual internet discussions rarely bring up that part of the history, I have no idea how big PRC's involvement was. All I know is China supplied Chinese made Kalashnikov and other weapons to Pakistan and they gave it to the Afghans. It seems to me using other people's weapons to fund rebels with serial numbers filed off is a big CIA MO. They did it in Latin America too. In retrospect I think it was a waste of effort, the whole world knows Americans and the CIA were behind the Shenanigans.
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Jan 23, 2024 03:23
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AnimeIsTrash posted:wasn’t it built over a demolished mosque? a proto-bjp led mob in the early 90s marched on a hundreds+ year old mosque and destroyed it, setting off riots across the country that got thousands of people killed. it relaunched anti-muslim sectarianism as a political platform years after that had been mostly dead/killed by official secularism, and set the bjp on the path to becoming the major opposition and then with the help of the oligarchy, the ruling party (they also briefly won an elected government in the 90s that didn't last as long). even until a decade ago, what to do with the demolition site was a massively controversial issue and portrayed as such in the media. There were plans to build an interfaith museum or whatever at some point. but the oligarchy has completely captured the Indian media and the building of a temple over the destroyed mosque is being shown everywhere as a grand historical event and a victory for Hinduism. Real fascist triumph of the will hours and majoritarian end zone dance poo poo over the muslim minority. There are like hundreds of millions of Muslims in India btw, so if they continue to take this stuff to the extremes like the majoritarian ethnic chauvinists took in Ukraine this could become a disaster of world historic proportions
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Jan 23, 2024 03:34
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AnimeIsTrash posted:wasn’t it built over a demolished mosque? no the mosque stuff is well known but for expanding the potential TOURISM they expanded the freeway which required a lot of demolishing in the surrounding area. mila kunis posted:a proto-bjp led mob in the early 90s marched on a hundreds+ year old mosque and destroyed it, setting off riots across the country that got thousands of people killed. it relaunched anti-muslim sectarianism as a political platform years after that had been mostly dead/killed by official secularism, and set the bjp on the path to becoming the major opposition and then with the help of the oligarchy, the ruling party (they also briefly won an elected government in the 90s that didn't last as long). Of course all the contractors working on it are from gujarat lol.
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Jan 23, 2024 03:36
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crepeface posted:lol this article opens with a passage about a girl who runs away from a strict family but lists her friend's age before telling us the victim was over 18. hmm, why not just tell us her actual age upfront? family calls the police and reports their child has been missing. wow, authouritarian police state!! Go gently caress yourself The PRC being the historically progressive counterweight to western imperial hegemony means that domestic abuse of gay and trans minors and adults doesn’t exist. I am very smart. Edit: Like it’s still clearly bad for the police to return someone to a situation where they’re being domestically abuse. The fact that the person wants to run away and the context of them being queer makes me confident in assuming domestic abuse. In this situation the police (and by extension, the state, and by extension, the party) are enabling domestic abuse. unwantedplatypus has issued a correction as of 03:45 on Jan 23, 2024 |
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Jan 23, 2024 03:38
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It's pretty impressive Modi can milk the Mosque/Temple for 30+ years. Is it finalized? Or it will have a new quarter open before the next major election?
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Jan 23, 2024 03:56
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it was inaugurated today
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Jan 23, 2024 04:14
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unwantedplatypus posted:Go gently caress yourself eat my dick
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Jan 23, 2024 04:27
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just unironically believing the guardian about a designated enemy of the west
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Jan 23, 2024 04:28
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freedom is when you run away and are taken in by a nice LGBT couple and taught how to be a child prostitute to survive, repression is when you're taken back home and can go to school
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Jan 23, 2024 04:32
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stupid bitch
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Jan 23, 2024 04:33
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lol the exact kind of stupid rube that falls for the exact kind of stupid idpol culture war propaganda the west shits out to propagate anti-communism
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Jan 23, 2024 04:36
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unwantedplatypus posted:Go gently caress yourself Does that situation even exist? Who knows, as the only evidence presented is the word of a journalist who has only ever written 'China bad' pieces for this publication. Looking up the first organization mentioned, the Beijing LGBT Center, it has received funding from the Los Angeles LGBT Center, itself directly funded by the American government. Shanghai Pride was founded and organized by two Americans. If I was the government of China I would be extremely sceptical of any NGO with American ties, and I certainly do not trust either the word of western media or of people who run such NGOs as to why they were shuttered. I am sure there have been numerous instances of discrimination against LGBTQ+ people by agents of the Chinese state, but that is very different to the sort of systemic oppression this piece is suggesting is happening.
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Jan 23, 2024 04:52
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:They provided arms as well as allowing volunteer forces, primarily from Xinjiang, to fight in Afghanistan. It was these returning fighters that found a much more fundamentalist Islam in Afghanistan that brought it back with them and made up the core of the ETIM. Lol owned Grapplejack posted:If you do reading for this poo poo for whatever reason you'll see a lot of English Language stuff be like "oh yeah China contributed but barely, it was largely US/NATO support" and that's 100% cope, the soviets would have very easily handled afghanistan if china wasn't involved Any reading recommendations?
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Jan 23, 2024 04:59
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Weka posted:Lol owned unfortunately no, all I have are half-remembered articles from JSTOR on stuff I did in undergrad
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Jan 23, 2024 05:04
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I remember reading that feedback from the general populace in China in their ongoing mass-line/survey system has been that they want more progressive family and marriage laws, which the CPC has decided is not a priority item. They recently opened a state funded transgender care clinic, and they usually address all the national feedback items eventually (like they did with pollution, corruption), so I hope that it continues in that direction. Regardless of anything else, shutting down NGOs supported by the us government seems like a good idea.
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Jan 23, 2024 06:04
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Honestly what were they even trying to say here. I can't even pierce through the racism to understand it. i think, hes trying to say that trump is popular in china because the population of china is whiny crybabies who want to become rich, and also they have bad fashion sense
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Jan 23, 2024 08:15
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In China, they are just like us, they call him brother trump
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Jan 23, 2024 08:50
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