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KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1749518861408280931

New operation name dropped. I'm sure this one will go great

Lol peak Democrat brain, just rebrand when things are going bad

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Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

External Organs posted:

So loving weird how this just keeps happening

I'm sure it's doing wonders for their efforts to convince American Jews to move over and bring their draftees, oops I mean kids

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Times of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/relatives-of-hostages-burst-into-knesset-finance-committee-demand-government-action/

Relatives of hostages burst into Knesset Finance Committee, demand government action
By SAM SOKOL
22 January 2024, 3:26 pm

Relatives of Israelis being held hostage by Hamas in the Gaza Strip burst into a session of the Knesset Finance Committee on Monday to demand that the government do more to secure their family members’ release.

Knesset security staff were unable to prevent the entry of the hostages’ relatives, many of whom carried pictures of their loved ones, and had to forcibly remove them — including one who required first aid and was eventually taken away in a wheelchair.

“You will not sit here while our children die,” the protesters screamed. “What about ransoming captives?”

“You dismantled a government over hametz but for [the hostages] you don’t dismantle it,” others yelled at committee chairman MK Moshe Gafni, referencing a 2022 fight over religious values that prompted a member of the previous government’s razor-thin coalition to defect, eventually bringing about its collapse.

“We came to make our voices heard,” Noa Rahamim, whose cousin Sgt. Matan Angrest is being held in Gaza, told The Times of Israel.

“Every day they die there and every day it is announced that another hostage was killed. It simply can’t go on like that and we came to the Knesset [to demand] that they get up and do something. Nobody will silence us.”

“Is it reasonable that 260 trucks of flour are entering Gaza now and my brother is eating nothing?” asked Angrest’s sister Adi. “It doesn’t make any sense that my brother isn’t eating anything when they bring them 260 trucks of flour.”

Israel pledged during a truce in November to start allowing in 200 trucks of aid every day and has since facilitated the transfer of food, water, medical supplies and shelter equipment into the Gaza Strip via the Rafah and Kerem Shalom crossings.

“Every day we receive body bags. Yesterday we received the news of another soldier who was kidnapped and who is dead,” agreed Aviram Meir, the uncle of hostage Almog Meir Jan, calling on the government to take the “slightly contradictory” actions of both halting humanitarian aid shipments and negotiating an “agreement with Hamas in order to free the hostages.”

“We’re trying to attract attention. We have been forgotten among the country’s endless problems and this is the most urgent problem, above all other problems,” he said, adding that the protesters’ goal was to disrupt the Knesset’s routine.

“If the hostages aren’t freed than the crisis between the government bodies and the citizens will get worse,” he predicted.

Responding to the demonstrators, Gafni, the committee chairman, said that in his view and that of the committee, “redeeming captives is the most important commandment In Judaism, especially since it is about saving lives.”

However, he cautioned, “withdrawing from the coalition will not help anything.” He promised to convey the families’ concerns to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and added that he would “do everything” to help bring home their children, brothers and wives.

Hamas took over 250 people captive on October 7, when some 3,000 terrorists burst across the border into Israel from the Gaza Strip by land, air and sea, killing some 1,200 people under the cover of a deluge of thousands of rockets fired at Israeli towns and cities.

Israel believes over 130 hostages remain in Gaza, following a deal in late November that freed 105 civilians. The IDF has confirmed the deaths of 28 of those still held by Hamas, citing new intelligence and findings obtained by troops operating in Gaza.

The families’ protest came on the heels of another protest outside the Knesset on Monday, in which dozens of protesters, many of them elderly, gathered outside the Knesset to demand new elections before being dragged off by law enforcement.

The protesters called the coalition parties in power “traitors who have given up on the hostages.”


PM: No Hamas proposal; Israeli initiative

Following a meeting with representatives of the hostages’ families on Monday, Netanyahu declared in a statement that there was “no real proposal from Hamas.” But, he said, “there is an initiative of ours, and I will not elaborate.”

In a video message on Sunday evening, Netanyahu said that Israel completely rejects Hamas’s demands for “surrender” in exchange for releasing the remaining hostages in Gaza.

His comments came after The Wall Street Journal reported that the US, Egypt and Qatar are pushing Israel and Hamas to accept a comprehensive plan that would end the war, see the release of hostages held in Gaza, and ultimately lead to full normalization for Israel with its neighbors and talks for the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Also on Sunday evening, a group of hostages’ families and protesters blocked off traffic outside Netanyahu’s private residence on Azza Street in Jerusalem, demanding the government reach a deal to ensure the return of the remaining hostages in Hamas captivity.

Organized by the Hostages and Missing Families Forum, the demonstration walked a fine line, attempting to hold the government accountable for the lives of the hostages while avoiding forthright condemnation.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

hubris.height posted:

words fail to express dti holy poo poo

quote:

Israel launched an offensive last week to capture Khan Younis, which it now says is the principal headquarters of the Hamas militants responsible for the Oct. 7 attacks on southern Israel that killed 1,200 people, according to Israeli tallies.

lol they told everyone to flee to khan younis and now theyre blasting the absolute poo poo out of it with tanks and artillery because HAMAS HEADQUARTERS

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

medium brain: executing hostages that are your own citizens
big brain: executing your own troops

pour encourager les autres

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

VoicesCanBe posted:

https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1749418241691206143

Dogshit like this should be admissible as evidence for the genocide case. Yeah the reported deaths have decreased, maybe it's because the entire Gaza health system was destroyed and they no longer have the capacity for swift reporting that they once did.

At this point the official civilian death toll in Gaza is likely a severe undercount.

reporting deaths in the cadence of a meteorologist... yes.. yes, light chance of death downtown

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

lol how do you even get this to a dock to repair

cohsae
Jun 19, 2015

Very carefully

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Spergin Morlock posted:

you think the US wouldn't extradite a US citizen to Israel? lol

Bibi is not an American citizen, he could not hold his position if he was. He has given it up twice.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

lol jesus

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

:trumppop:

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

:sbahj:

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007



Tired of tankies saying that you only target civilians? Just blow up your own tank column

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Lord of Pie posted:

Tired of tankies saying that you only target civilians? Just blow up your own tank column

to save the tank crew we got to destroy it

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Homeless Friend posted:

lol how do you even get this to a dock to repair

They could do it at one time, alas...

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
https://x.com/i_zzzzzz/status/1749606825446740039?s=46

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

:eyepop:

hubris.height
Jan 6, 2005

Pork Pro

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

unreal tournament holy poo poo

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

GoodluckJonathan
Oct 31, 2003

For all the misery and horror this thread is generating some pretty incredible lols

Rockstar Massacre
Mar 2, 2009

i only have a crazy life
because i make risky decisions
from a position of
unreasonable self-confidence

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

good god

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

lol

HazCat
May 4, 2009

Lord of Pie posted:

Tired of tankies saying that you only target civilians? Just blow up your own tank column

Israel blowing up their own tanks in Gaza to show they could blow up their own tanks in Israel if they wanted to..

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express
:wow:

carcinofuck
Apr 18, 2001
pink floyd still sucks

GoodluckJonathan posted:

For all the misery and horror this thread is generating some pretty incredible lols

bawk posted:

2nd period ends and they start doing the celebrity lookalikes on the jumbotron, but all the disney characters have been replaced by different pictures of hitler. they don't even bother change camera angles, you can see the same cameraman is just slowly working his way down the israeli bench as they keep switching out the photos. the cheers from the crowd are deafening

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUz9xCTOPRw

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Why is reuters talking about sieging hospitals like it's a normal thing you do in war instead of irrefutable evidence of Israel's genocidal intent and actions?

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I don’t know if you want to demand the Israel gov “do something” about hostages

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Times of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-blasts-israeli-radio-into-gaza-tunnels-in-bid-to-soothe-hostages/

IDF blasts Israeli radio into Gaza tunnels in bid to soothe hostages
By REUTERS
22 January 2024, 10:39 pm

After conquering a Hamas tunnel in the northern Gaza Strip, a group of Israeli Defense Forces soldiers went down it with some unusual kit in hand — not explosives, robot probes, or pistols for close combat, but rather old-style, dial-operated transistor radios.

Their mission was to descend until the devices could no longer receive AM transmissions from Israel. That point, they found, was at about 10 to 12 meters (32 to 39 feet) depth, generally the upper “floors” of the Hamas terrorists’ subterranean network.

The January 4 experiment was ordered by their commander at the behest of Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, who had just expanded the country’s most popular broadcaster, Army Radio, from industry-standard FM onto complementary AM channels.

AM’s greater range meant emergency updates had a better chance of being heard by civilians in bomb shelters. Troops in Gaza also benefitted, as they were being allowed transistor radios to keep themselves informed, after surrendering their cellphones, lest those be geolocated by Hamas.

The tunnel experiment dangled another possibility for a country tormented with worry for 132 people held hostage by Hamas in the enclave: reaching out to them with custom-composed, morale-raising Army Radio broadcasts.

“It suddenly occurred to me that maybe some of those hostages also had access to transistor radios,” Karhi told Reuters. “If they had the means to hear their families’ voices, it would have a huge value in terms of morale — and for their relatives, too.”

The gambit would likely need Hamas’s cooperation, a prospect its initiators hope is within the bounds of possibility.

Hamas officials in Gaza were not immediately available for comment about the idea — a testament to Palestinians’ shattered infrastructure under an Israeli offensive, as well as their reluctance to release information on the hostages’ conditions.

Of scores of hostages freed in a November truce, several said captors had allowed them limited access to TVs or radios.

One of them learned from the radio that her husband and daughter, from whom she had been separated during the October 7 cross-border Hamas killing and kidnapping spree that sparked the war, had survived. For another, an Israeli broadcast was the first notification that two relatives were among the dead.

But the accounts were not clear whether the hostages were kept just under the surface, in tunnels well out of range, or in above-ground safe houses with regular reception. Tunnels shown to journalists by advancing Israeli forces have sometimes included upper levels of about 10 meters (32 feet) depth.

Asked to respond to the Army Radio initiative, ex-hostage Nili Margalit said part of her captivity was spent 40 meters underground. “It is too deep,” she told Reuters, declining to discuss the matter further, for fear “that the terrorists will use my words to hurt the captives that are still there.”

Dan O’Shea, a former Navy SEAL and hostage coordinator for US forces in Iraq, said that while he “completely agrees” with the AM-radio initiative, he saw scant chance of Hamas cooperating, while Israel pursues search-and-rescue operations in Gaza.

“If Hamas knew that these radios could be picked up by Israeli forces, it’s the last thing they would want,” he said. “They’re paranoid about anything that’s going to track an IDF bomb to their position.”


Peter Duffett-Smith, emeritus reader in astrophysics at the University of Cambridge’s Cavendish Laboratory, said AM transistor radios, which are designed to passively receive broadcasts, cannot easily be traced. But he did not rule it out.

Most such radios use oscillators which emit faint signals, he said, “and it is possible that (these) could be detected at a distance using specialized equipment. These signals decrease rapidly with distance, especially through ground.”

Asked whether Israel could mount such location operations, Army Radio director Danny Zaken said: “We cannot. It (a broadcast received by the radio) is not coming back. I mean, it’s not like sonar… It’s only one-way, unfortunately.”

Karhi said he knew of neither Israel nor Hamas being able to track passive AM reception — hence the permission for troops in Gaza to use transistor radios.

Staving off despair or rebelliousness among the hostages might prompt captors to consider taking a risk on the radios.

But Ruth Pat-Horenczyk, a clinical psychology professor with the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said if Hamas felt it would weaken its control of captives it would prevent them listening.

Army Radio’s shift into AM is backed by the Defense Ministry’s National Emergency Management Authority and Israel’s largest telecom group, Bezeq. The station has been pre-recording messages by hostage families for airing several times a day.

“They’re telling them: ‘Stay strong. We are fighting for you. Don’t worry. We’ll get to you. Stay strong,” Zaken said.

At a Tel Aviv rally to mark the first birthday of Kfir Bibas, the youngest of the hostages, an Army Radio reporter approached one of the baby’s relatives, Yosi Shnaider, to explain the station’s new reach and ask to record an interview.

He agreed: “If they are hearing us… We want to tell you that the families love you, that no one has forgotten you.”

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Al! posted:

the most careful tugs youve ever seen since stephen hawking flew on the lolita express

good lord al

GoodluckJonathan
Oct 31, 2003

VoicesCanBe posted:

Why is reuters talking about sieging hospitals like it's a normal thing you do in war instead of irrefutable evidence of Israel's genocidal intent and actions?

There is a phenomenal amount of bullshit in that article but this jumps right out at the start:

quote:

White House spokesman John Kirby said the U.S. expects Israel to protect innocent people in hospitals


Why would you expect that?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

https://twitter.com/EinavAvizemer/status/1749435163887440149?s=20

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
new zealand is sending 6 defence personnel to join prosperity guardian lmfao

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

exmarx posted:

new zealand is sending 6 defence personnel to join prosperity guardian lmfao

It's Poseidon Archer, now say it right or pay the price!

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Punkin Spunkin posted:

loving Hannibal committed suicide after resisting the Romans until he was nearly 70, was cornered near the Black Sea, and didn't wanna get captured, starved and imprisoned in filth, put on an imperial parade in chains, and then strangled to death in some dank basement.
Yall pathetic motherfuckers just don't wanna do a prisoner swap!!! Call that poo poo The Himmler Directive. Leave my mans alone.

They call it that so the troops can imagine they are killing a Lebanese person.

Centrist Dad
Nov 13, 2007

When I see your posting
College Slice

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

It's Poseidon Archer, now say it right or pay the price!

Ok ok....it's...(snicker)...PISS-eidon archer!

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1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.

i made it 15 seconds

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