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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

It's important to manage your customers success. They can't have too much.

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LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


If anyone is looking for an entry level cloud engineering role:

quote:


Cloud Field Engineer - Entry Level

What you’ll do:
• Work across the entire Linux stack, from kernel, networking, storage, to applications
• Design and deploy clouds and applications for external customers
• Architect cloud infrastructure solutions like Kubernetes, Kubeflow, OpenStack, Ceph, Hadoop and Spark either On-Premises or in Public Cloud (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud)
• Grow a healthy, collaborative engineering culture in line with the company values
• Work from the comfort of your home
• Global travel up to 25% of time for internal and external events

Who you are:
• You have experience in AI/ML and MLOps
• You have practical knowledge of Linux, virtualisation, containers and networking
• You have sound knowledge of cloud computing concepts & technologies, such as Kubernetes, Kubeflow, OpenStack, AWS, GCP, Azure, Ceph, etc.
• You have an intermediate level of Python programming skills
• You are a dynamic person who loves to jump in new projects and interact with people
• You have a demonstrated drive for continual learning
• Excellent communication and presentation skills (English, Spanish/French a bonus)
• You have great organisational skills and follow-up reliably on commitments
• University degree in Computer Science or related software engineering expertise

What you’ll learn
• Linux Ubuntu and networking knowledge
• Kubernetes and OpenStack infrastructure
• Machine Learning and Artificial Intelligence Platforms
• Wide range of open source applications and skills
• Work directly with customers in a range of different businesses
• Real-life and hands-on exposure to a wide range of emerging technologies and tools

We offer:
• Learning and development tuition reimbursement
• 18 weeks parental leave (USA)
• Diversity Resource Groups
• Work from home
• Competitive salary
• Recognition rewards
• Annual leave
• Priority Pass for travel

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


That's not entry level

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Entry level with a decade of cloud experience.

40k/yr

Cenodoxus
Mar 29, 2012

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Sounds like you're going to use that Priority Pass to travel back in time and learn all the things you already needed to know to get the job.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


To be fair at least it's not describing 3 entirely different job roles.

But these 4 things:

job listing posted:

• You have experience in AI/ML and MLOps
• You have practical knowledge of Linux, virtualisation, containers and networking
• You have sound knowledge of cloud computing concepts & technologies, such as Kubernetes, Kubeflow, OpenStack, AWS, GCP, Azure, Ceph, etc.
• You have an intermediate level of Python programming skills

Are not entry level asks.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life
My initial reaction to m365 copilot is… whatever? I could see it saving 30 minutes of work a month to make the price justifiable but so far it hasn’t made me go “wow AI is the future” on the level that Microsoft wants me to. Almost feels like the documents need to be written in a way that was intended for copilot to be able to parse later.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Internet Explorer posted:

You're putting money into your 401k? They grow up so fast!

I'm putting in $4800 a year, but there's no match for the plan I'm under :negative:

I have other retirement accounts money is going into so it's not like all my eggs are in one basket.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

This new company is a bunch of dickheads with retirement funding.

They cut the 401k in half with the other half now company stocks which are poo poo, but you only get them after 4 years rolling.

Also my 401k this last year at this org was up 4%.

My old 401k at my last job was up 30% during the same time.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
I love the stapled on AI stuff crowbarred in with the subtlety and grace of a goatse on an all staff meeting

Speaking of, I still hate my CEO who is terrible at presenting, interacting, and being.

Cyks
Mar 17, 2008

The trenches of IT can scar a muppet for life

GreenNight posted:

This new company is a bunch of dickheads with retirement funding.

They cut the 401k in half with the other half now company stocks which are poo poo, but you only get them after 4 years rolling.

Also my 401k this last year at this org was up 4%.

My old 401k at my last job was up 30% during the same time.

Yeah ours was dropped to 3% matching this year. Also it takes six years to get 100% vested, with a minimum of two years before any percentage. I don’t plan to be here for longer than 2 1/2 so it’s basically pointless.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



The Fool posted:

To be fair at least it's not describing 3 entirely different job roles.

But these 4 things:

Are not entry level asks.

Yeah, I'd be interested but out of the things quoted all I know is Linux and networking, I'm looking for an "entry level" (I expect it to need experience outside of cloud engineering/devops) position because I want to learn those things.

Also if you want me to be away from home an average of 13 weeks a year you have better be paying really well.

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
What's the German word for the emotion you feel when someone asks "does it make sense to have you in this meeting", you say "no", and they actually abide by it?

Edit: goons involved with/running MSPs, if you're interested in a new client, an old friend of mine is looking on behalf of his company. 120 users, first level helpdesk, remote is fine, located in the Baltimore metro area. I'm still trying to get more details on tech stacks and scope.

He's a really good friend so I don't want to do him dirty by just trying to get a finders' fee from the one MSP I worked at a decade ago, whose owner was not great and whose senior techs were brown lipstick brigade members

MJP fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jan 23, 2024

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast

LochNessMonster posted:

If anyone is looking for an entry level cloud engineering role:

here it is

Entry level? :allears:

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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HalloKitty posted:

here it is

Entry level my rear end

Canonical? We all known about their hiring process, right? And their application that asks you dozens of questions about what you did in high school?

https://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/15kj845/canonical_the_recruitment_process_really_is_that/

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

i'm a little spoiled by living in Communist Seattle because we mandated all job ads have to list the pay range, but no

anyway I would be interested in that job if it wasn't a dogshit description and appearently they want to know what I did in high school, last year, when i graduated from it

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

What did I do in HS when I graduated 25 years ago? Pre 9/11? Pfft.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Our place is trying to do regular in-office days by hotdesking with a laptop and nothing else. Someone in management made the mistake of asking me what I thought about it today and I told them that as long as they are happy for these occasions to be time that is set aside for internal meetings or just purely aimed at socialising then it will work fine, but I cannot get any productive work done on a laptop screen in an open plan environment so any future occurrences are going to be handled the same as they were today - with me scheduling actual work to happen either side of these in-office days. My fairly blunt answer was partly motivated by me not seeing any future at this place and it being healthier to vent than put on an act, but it seems like it was a catalyst for other people to stop pretending and most of the department ended up with a variation of "yeah what he said" as their feedback.

Would have been nice to not have been the one to stand up with a large target on their back but I guess at least it didn't end with everybody else pretending it was only me that had a problem.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011

Twerk from Home posted:

Canonical? We all known about their hiring process, right? And their application that asks you dozens of questions about what you did in high school?

https://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/15kj845/canonical_the_recruitment_process_really_is_that/

after all that poo poo they don’t even give you your own laptop? what the gently caress?

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

Twerk from Home posted:

Canonical? We all known about their hiring process, right? And their application that asks you dozens of questions about what you did in high school?

https://old.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/15kj845/canonical_the_recruitment_process_really_is_that/

Lol if you scroll down, Mark Shuttleworth himself replies and another commenter absolutely rips him a new one

AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006

The Fool posted:

But these 4 things:

quote:

• You have experience in AI/ML and MLOps
• You have practical knowledge of Linux, virtualisation, containers and networking
• You have sound knowledge of cloud computing concepts & technologies, such as Kubernetes, Kubeflow, OpenStack, AWS, GCP, Azure, Ceph, etc.
• You have an intermediate level of Python programming skills
Are not entry level asks.

quote:

Architect cloud infrastructure solutions like Kubernetes, Kubeflow, OpenStack, Ceph, Hadoop and Spark either On-Premises or in Public Cloud (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud)

This one really stands out too. What could go wrong with having enterprise apps architected by junior employees?

Cyks posted:

My initial reaction to m365 copilot is… whatever? I could see it saving 30 minutes of work a month to make the price justifiable but so far it hasn’t made me go “wow AI is the future” on the level that Microsoft wants me to. Almost feels like the documents need to be written in a way that was intended for copilot to be able to parse later.

The only "whoa" moment I've had with it is the automatic meeting summaries, but even that needs a sanity check and is better done by a real PM/BA.

AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jan 23, 2024

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


It's a handy feature but also if your meeting doesn't have an agenda and someone assigned to take notes then it's possibly a waste of time anyway

johnny park posted:

Lol if you scroll down, Mark Shuttleworth himself replies and another commenter absolutely rips him a new one

Is Canonical anywhere near special enough or high paying enough to be as weird as they are?

Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jan 23, 2024

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


Thanks Ants posted:

Is Canonical anywhere near special enough or high paying enough to be as weird as they are?

No

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
I have a user who asked me how to get into IT (specifically cybersec) and if we include goons I've pushed into the field I'm at 5 people indoctrinated into computer touchery

klosterdev
Oct 10, 2006

Na na na na na na na na Batman!
You monster

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


What would be an entry level position then? Personally, I feel like if you took the parts about architecture out it'd be okay?

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Are we reading the same job description? An entry level "field engineer" would have this?

quote:

You have experience in AI/ML and MLOps
You have practical knowledge of Linux, virtualisation [spelled wrong, lol], containers and networking
You have sound knowledge of cloud computing concepts & technologies, such as Kubernetes, Kubeflow, OpenStack, AWS, GCP, Azure, Ceph, etc.
You have an intermediate level of Python programming skills
You are a dynamic person who loves to jump in new projects and interact with people
You have a demonstrated drive for continual learning
Excellent communication and presentation skills (English, Spanish/French a bonus)
You have great organisational skills and follow-up reliably on commitments
University degree in Computer Science or related software engineering expertise

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Having any three items from those first three lines would make you a senior admin in any sane company.

I assume it's a standard keyword job posting, assuming one gets to a human interview they don't expect all that. It's still lovely they did it that way.. but that's just how things are now.

inchworm
Jun 23, 2023
looking for an entry level trilingualist who virtualises things

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

xzzy posted:

Having any three items from those first three lines would make you a senior admin in any sane company.

I assume it's a standard keyword job posting, assuming one gets to a human interview they don't expect all that. It's still lovely they did it that way.. but that's just how things are now.

That's right, at the time you get to the interview with a human they're going to ask you how many debates you won in high school and how you recruited more people to expand the chess club.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Actual entry-level positions are targeted at people who are new to the career or specialty being hired for. They will have hobby-level experience (if that) of one of the technologies in that listing.

That listing as published requires 4-6 years of professional experience.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009
You're all looking at it wrong: the entry level is the salary, not the job requirements.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Volguus posted:

You're all looking at it wrong: the entry level is the salary, not the job requirements.

:hmmyes:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
The lack of a pay range tells you it's gonna be poo poo too imo

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


AreWeDrunkYet posted:

This one really stands out too. What could go wrong with having enterprise apps architected by junior employees?

The “have experience with architecting applications in a cloud environment” was the big :wtf: to me as well.

That hiring experience on reddit sure lines up with this job description. I’ve seen my share of bad hiring processes but nothing as bad as this.

Worst thing I went through, was luckily fairly short. Teamlead and the 2 managers above me all asked me repeatedly for several months to apply for a permanent role as I was a contractor. I didn’t really want to, but they increase in pay was significant and I figured I could leverage that if I wanted to jump ship in the future. Management and teams were good and the work was interesting.

The only hoop I had to jump through was a cultural fit interview. The manager of my manager warned me this was a thing. It was done with someone from HR and a manager from a different BU and he had no say in the result whatsoever. I figured it wouldn’t be a big deal as I already was contracting with them for 1.5 year at that point, knew the company / culture fairly well and was one of my teams top IC’s.

The moment I walked in I already got ~~bad vibes~~ from these 2 people. The woman from HR had worked at the same company I worked at for several years and shittalked it for the entire interview. She was discrediting everything I did there as “little league stuff” and irrelevant. It was their biggest competitor and only slightly smaller than they were (still multi billion dollar profits). The manager just went through my resume and was talking down on anything I had on it. There was almost no talk about culture, motivation or personal growth. It’s the only interview to date where I didn’t ask any questions at the end because even if this was a drill, I had no intentions to work there anymore.

Unsurprisingly I didn’t make the cut. Their feedback was that I may be a top performer right at that point but both interviewers had strong doubts if I’d be able to stay ahead of the curve in the future.

My managers boss told me he didn’t like this part of the process either and I was unlucky with the gatekeeping hiring manager that was assigned to interview me. “But no worries, we can try again in a few months! Maybe we’re lucky and get someone less backwards and can get you onboard finally”. I told him that after this experience I had no interest in working for them at all anymore.

If I hadn’t applied for the positions I’d probably stayed on for another year, maybe 2. But the experience soured me on the company as a whole so I started applying elsewhere and ledt with 2-3 months. Both managers and the teamlead begged me to wrap up a running project and stay on for another 6 months. I did think about it but declined. Should’ve told them the company wasn’t a cultural fit that far into the future.

Reoxygenation
Dec 8, 2010

if wishes were fishes fuck you this is my pie

LochNessMonster posted:

If anyone is looking for an entry level cloud engineering role:

It happens every time, everyone making listing for entry jobs but they want a whole rear end IT department. Insane but very funny

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else

Volguus posted:

You're all looking at it wrong: the entry level is the salary, not the job requirements.

The truth is painful.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Just had my first final interview since starting job hunting in November. I need to not get my hopes up but it would be such a great fit for what I'm looking for and I really enjoyed talking with the two people on the interview, a good culture fit would be nice.

Also while it would be a 6 month CTH (boo) it would be about 10k a year more than I was making before and about 70k more than I'm making on unemployment!

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Awesome, hope that works out for you

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tokenbrownguy
Apr 1, 2010

The Fool posted:

Awesome, hope that works out for you

get that monie

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