Jobbo_Fett posted:

Star Citizen innovated so that Palworld could imitate it #blessed

Sardonik posted:

Was Star Citizen's decision to use Cryengine one of the worst in game development history?

dialhforhero posted:

Not using the Unreal engine is easily one of the worst mistakes for loving almost ANY game dev. Unreal is like an industry standard—I joke but it’s hard to find a game NOT using it, if not parts of it.

Worf posted:

depends on whether you believe the $750,000,000 or not really

phosdex posted:

They had some crytek crew jump ship, wonder where they are now.

FishMcCool posted:

UE is big, and not using it might have been a huge own goal by CIG considering UE5 seems like the perfect fit for the fidelity obsessed crowd, but this is massive hyperbole and dramatically downplays the amount of games out there using Unity, Godot, Game Maker, RPG Maker, the various open sourced game engines (doom, quake, source) and the many AAA proprietary engines.

dialhforhero posted:

It is hyperbole yes, but I should have specified for 1st/3rd person shooters and adjacent platformers, etc. Outside of Unity, what type of games like StarCitizen use the other engines?

dialhforhero posted:

It is hyperbole yes, but I should have specified for 1st/3rd person shooters and adjacent platformers, etc. Outside of Unity, what type of games like StarCitizen use the other engines?

Trilobite posted:

That's actually true, though. CIG never sold land in Star Citizen, they sold land claim beacons that they said you would need in order to own land. Moreover, that was years ago and even today the game itself still has no land claim beacons in it, no ability to let players own land, nothing they could do with any land they might own, and no indication that any of that will ever change.

What CIG was selling was not land, it was an empty promise, which turns out to be the one thing that their backers can never resist throwing money away on.

Mirificus posted:

Sardonik posted:

Was Star Citizen's decision to use Cryengine one of the worst in game development history? Like, good luck hiring developers and having to train them on your dead engine.

Though I'm sure if they had used Unreal or Unity it wouldn't have saved them of course because of bad management, but still.

stingtwo posted:

No engine can save them.

20/20 not picking unreal engine was a silly move but in 2010 when they decided to pick cryengine, not really. Unreal engine back then cost a cool 1.5 million or so and unity was pretty much no name in the PC world.

phosdex posted:

They could have got rpg maker from a humble bundle!

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Wait, how was it a "dire" year for SC funding? Didn't they hit a biggest year ever milestone again?

FishMcCool posted:

New pet project for when I can be bothered (which basically means never): make a SC Simulator in a cheap/free outdated version of RPG Maker.

It will have hot dogs, an expo hall and a parping skill.

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It's unfortunate but true, the majority pay attention to the jangling keys, we see it in everything from politics to gaming.

In the early years the dev team talked more about the wider grander game universe than specifics, now it's all patch watch, tech pillars and sales events - but there is an original idea behind all those events.

The festivals, the racing / sporting calendars, the in-lore marketing events like IAE and all the Galactic Gear lore that goes with it are a part of that game universe, you'll be able to see them on screens and attend them in person. There is a tendency to think of the little lore story videos as merely commercials to sell ships, but if that was the case why go to all the trouble? There's absolutely no indication that they would sell less ships if they had no video story to go with them., especially when that story tells you absolutely nothing about the ship anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPJA54sWAec

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There's a huge amount of lore on this site and we know that the Galactapedia is going to be accessible in both Squadron 42 and Star Citizen. The politics, the history, the factions it's all planned. You read the lore and think it's just 'flavour text' for those who want to engage, but it's not. Empire Report will be a part of your daily experience in the game universe.

What we don't have is the means to access it all, that access comes through The Spectrum. You'll see it first in Squadron 42. You'll be able to access it on any MFD and your mobiGlas, they even plan for us to access it via real world mobile devices and web browser. You'll be spending a lot of time both in and out of the game watching, checking, uploading to and discussing The Spectrum. There will always be something happening somewhere from war to natural disaster, to boom and bust economy, tourism. They built the Reliant MAKO News Van with in-game camera and editing suite functionality to come (we saw them using it on the Galactic Gear videos), they have recently made videos showing characters making vlogs to The Spectrum. They have been steadily giving out hints about what the The Spectrum will be like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzw4fTnwV8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0PN1rd55TU

These aren't ship commercials, they are Spectrum content. She tells you.
Yes, it's a huge amount of work and the assumption is always that none of that work has been done - but actually a lot has. We've seen some of it but some people find it too hard to connect the dots, these are just samples.

So that takes care of the wider game universe, but what about the daily 'up in your face' experience with characters, history and factions etc. That comes with the Quantum simulation and the tools that feed into that simulation like Odin and Quasar. If you check the Roadmap you'll see they did work (the Tech Animation Team 15 months) on a tool to have streaming audio generate facial animation automatically, there's no need to make that for players we already have FOIP, and there wouldn't be any need for it if every NPC was mocapped.

It's up to the individual, you can either look at all the output and think, hey look at all those hints and clues, or you can just keep concentrating on todays impatience. It took time to make soft toys of the penguin and the whale, it took time (and hence money) to animate a human in a whale costume as a tour guide / space whale tour greeter. They didn't just put a story about the Hades system on the webpage, they made Hadesian artifacts to collect in the game.

You need full working persistence, you need the tech pillars all in place, you need the income a foundation provides to expand that game universe. They are doing it, step by step, they are getting there.

Blue On Blue posted:

i really want to engage with pisscat and call him out for his endless streams of bullshit

"Yes, it's a huge amount of work and the assumption is always that none of that work has been done - but actually a lot has. We've seen some of it but some people find it too hard to connect the dots, these are just samples."

oh ya? i think you're just assuming yourself that a lot of the work is done, getting sucked into the sales marketing engine that is at the heart of everything CIG does

Blue On Blue posted:

i really want to engage with pisscat and call him out for his endless streams of bullshit

"Yes, it's a huge amount of work and the assumption is always that none of that work has been done - but actually a lot has. We've seen some of it but some people find it too hard to connect the dots, these are just samples."

oh ya? i think you're just assuming yourself that a lot of the work is done, getting sucked into the sales marketing engine that is at the heart of everything CIG does

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Unless you want to stalk him on reddit, you have to buy a game package to post on Spectrum.

Murgos posted:

You can fact check and call people out but in the end it's not about facts, some just people want to believe in BC3K or Star Citizen or Alex Jones and they just aren't going to hear the criticism.

Blue On Blue posted:

Everything is on track! They must have finished the game and are simply just tying up a few loose ends before releasing it: (said by a backer somewhere probably)

Blue On Blue posted:

Well surely there progress tracker is all current and up to date and reflecting the efforts of a 3/4 billion dollar endevour, right?





Oh actually, nevermind

Also the last patch is still listed as tentative for Q4 2023, i have news for their planning guys....

They haven't bothered to update the thing since early December, and the tracker just shows absolutely nothing for the future

Everything is on track! They must have finished the game and are simply just tying up a few loose ends before releasing it: (said by a backer somewhere probably)

Vahakyla posted:

Legit question: do they actually do work at the company? Or do they just keep the lights on for the bare minimum?