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Borscht posted:It’s just that usually America expects some quid pro its quo. Israel just seems like a hole for >$3.8 billion a year and all Americans seem to get in return is terrorism, refugees, and bad press. The American government spends money, the American politicians receive significant campaign contributions.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:If they give themselves a call sign that's how you know they're not actually a pilot. Try that in an actual flying unit and see what happens to you. For a large enough donation you can buy your way out of a call sign. I've seen that a handful of times, usually for comedic effect - like, make somebody in need of light hazing throw down a few bucks to avoid an obviously fake name like Loaded Diaper or Bitch Tits. Only once have I met somebody who made their own call sign. It cost about a grand, people 15 years later know what it was supposed to be and why, but the booster fund made a killing that night. Tldr: don't join the military if you have other options, we're generally terrible people.
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Count Roland posted:I'm not watching that video, but seeing Jake Shields, MMA fighter of some minor note, on that list makes me think that these people aren't overly influential. Or so I hope. Fair enough they're not, it's more about reminding people there are still grifters that aren't the usual voices on this one
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https://twitter.com/Jonathan_K_Cook/status/1747799191433228426quote:The head of Yad Vashem, Israel's renowned Holocaust museum, rejects a letter from 50 Holocaust experts calling on him to condemn the rash of statements from senior Israeli figures calling for genocide in Gaza. I feel like I have some very uncharitable opinions on this. But you can probably guess what they are. https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1747978396423069843 quote:Headline: We cannot overlook the mental burden of the Gaza war on Israeli soldiers You know, it's paywalled, but I feel like we need to just reflect on someone unironically writing that headline and not working for the Onion.
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In a slightly more academic tone, RAND put out a blog article last week that's a fairly decent read: Israel's 'People's Army' at War I think it captures the various psychological factors quite well: the bias to decisive action given Israel's strategic position and force structure, the psychological need for the IDF to rebuild its place in the social contract and how that is impacting strategy, the reliance on officer forward leadership to control forces.
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PurpleXVI posted:
Haaretz is a left leaning and probably the best newspaper in the Middle East. I suspect the article won't be as tone deaf as you might think.
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Alchenar posted:In a slightly more academic tone, RAND put out a blog article last week that's a fairly decent read: Israel's 'People's Army' at War quote:If the United States can help the IDF win this crucial next fight—one that's mostly fought without bombs and bullets—then Israelis, Palestinians, and the entire region will be all the better for it. It's funny that this article spends so much time fellating the IDF for their bravery and heroics, casually mentions that "oh, whoops, they actually completely gently caress up actually addressing the core causes of Palestinian attacks on them" and then just breezes past to blowing the IDF some more. Kind of paints their "oh lmao they murder a bunch of civilians and gently caress up any chance of peace utterly" as just "well that's what any soldier would do without someone around to remind them not to  " rather than the result of a deeply hosed up culture.
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PurpleXVI posted:It's funny that this article spends so much time fellating the IDF for their bravery and heroics, casually mentions that "oh, whoops, they actually completely gently caress up actually addressing the core causes of Palestinian attacks on them" and then just breezes past to blowing the IDF some more. Kind of paints their "oh lmao they murder a bunch of civilians and gently caress up any chance of peace utterly" as just "well that's what any soldier would do without someone around to remind them not to Oh it's definitely written though a lens of observing things and then saying "it doesn't look like anything to me". And writing to a particular audience.
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I mean most all conservative cultures are hosed up and repressive but that's why we're "the great Satan" that tempts them and suffers them to live. This is what the conservative fantasy is. Society is the Boogeyman when it is accepting and tolerant, and it is good when we repress and punish that which relieves pain outside serving a master. The conservative fantasy is an illness because they often see themselves as the class who should be master. Wasabi the J fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jan 20, 2024 |
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Count Roland posted:Haaretz is a left leaning and probably the best newspaper in the Middle East. I suspect the article won't be as tone deaf as you might think. Haaretz is just the only major Israeli new outlet that sometimes publishes non-freakish opinions, plenty of genocide apologia and regular Israeli bullshit appears in their op-Ed section.
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Borscht posted:It’s just that usually America expects some quid pro its quo. Israel just seems like a hole for >$3.8 billion a year and all Americans seem to get in return is terrorism, refugees, and bad press. Suez Canal. Egypt wasn't always friendly w/ America so it helps to have a friend on the other side of the canal with airbases in range.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/1747978396423069843 The thesis of the article is that foreverwars chasing incoherent policy goals are bad for soldiers. The headline is for an Israeli audience, not an international one. raminasi fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 21, 2024 |
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So who had 'IDF desecrates graveyards where Palestinians are buried, avoiding those where non-Palestinians are buried' on their bingo card?
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/23/middleeast/gaza-israeli-soldiers-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html As part of the ethnic cleansing the IDF is demolishing homes except yesterday 21 IDF soldiers died while mining a building when a Hamas RPG set off a chain reaction that caused it to collapse on top of them.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/23/middleeast/gaza-israeli-soldiers-deaths-intl-hnk/index.html
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Proud Christian Mom posted:As part of the ethnic cleansing the IDF is demolishing homes except yesterday 21 IDF soldiers died while mining a building when a Hamas RPG set off a chain reaction that caused it to collapse on top of them. M-m-m-m-onster kill!
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Are the types of anti-ship missiles being used in the Red Sea known currently? Id assume C-801s etc but Id think that size thing would damage a ship more than whats been reported.
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https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1750603833758151027?t=3-G4XdmCFxdXPm26vhLm8A&s=19 Real tight ship Israel has around Gaza
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Dandywalken posted:Are the types of anti-ship missiles being used in the Red Sea known currently? Id assume C-801s etc but Id think that size thing would damage a ship more than whats been reported. Take your pick, there's a whole palette to choose from:  
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Dandywalken posted:Are the types of anti-ship missiles being used in the Red Sea known currently? Id assume C-801s etc but Id think that size thing would damage a ship more than whats been reported. Most of the attcks have been drone and ballistic or ASCMs being shot down. But the Houthis did destroy the former HSV-2 Swift while on lease to UAE.
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This is just loving embarrassing. quote:Pelosi Wants F.B.I. to Investigate Pro-Palestinian Protesters And of course this old ghoul is probably going to get reelected next year.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:This is just loving embarrassing. It’s like when they call Biden a communist, if this was true it would be absolutely the best thing Putin ever did.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:It’s like when they call Biden a communist, if this was true it would be absolutely the best thing Putin ever did.
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Cugel the Clever posted:You do not, in fact, have to hand it to any and every bad actor who cynically exploits messaging around the Palestinian cause to further their own ends. Putin's an rear end in a top hat for sowing dissension in the US, likely has his lovely online propagandists playing both sides with antisemitic/antimuslim messaging, and doesn't give a single gently caress about the fate of the Palestinian people. Similar goes for the Houthis couching their attacks on unrelated shipping in cynically pro-Palestine rhetoric. Oh we’re still trying to do this, I see. We may be on the same side as the country doing the most genocide, but we’re not cynically exploiting it so it all good bro.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:
Idk if she's going to become speaker in her remaining lifet-- oh, reelection. Yeah probably.
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Potato Salad posted:Idk if she's going to become speaker in her remaining lifet-- oh, reelection. Yeah probably. Don’t worry I’m sure they’ll find someone worse when she croaks
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She's already stepped aside over a year ago to let Hakeem Jefferies take over the leadership of the Congressional Dems, who the Dems have voted for as speaker in subsequent speaker elections.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Oh we’re still trying to do this, I see. We may be on the same side as the country doing the most genocide, but we’re not cynically exploiting it so it all good bro.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Reacting to actor X doing something bad by hooting and hollering when actor Y points at actor X to justify also doing something obviously bad is childish tho brah In my eyes attempting to stop a genocide or resist an imperial power is not equivalent with assisting or perpetrating a genocide, unless the means of doing so are so abhorrent that they are worse than the genocide. I don't have to endorse the means or all of the policies of the regime doing so. Unless I valued Palestinian lives extremely lowly, I don't think I can come up with any reason their actions, taken into the context, are remotely on par with the evil they are trying to stop. If the Houthis are cynical opportunists that must be stopped and you're not about to condemn the American and British bombing campaign, it seems to me the only moral option would be to immediately begin bombing the IDF as well to take away their justification for shooting at merchant ships or doing piracy. I would also be interested if any actual Palestinian organization or leader was as concerned about the motives of the Houthis as it seems Americans and Israelis are. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:the only moral option would be to immediately begin bombing gently caress right off out of here.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:gently caress right off out of here. Lovely. To clarify, you're against using military force against the IDF to stop a genocide, but you're presumably okay with bombing Yemen?
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If stopping a genocide isn't a legitimate use of military force then what is?
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Lovely. To clarify, you're against using military force against the IDF to stop a genocide, but you're presumably okay with bombing Yemen? He didn't come anywhere near to saying this. Indiscriminate attacks against civilians are bad.
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lightpole posted:He didn't come anywhere near to saying this. I fully agree, though I don't think we should immediately resort to dropping JDAMs on IDF division HQs as the first option. Maybe the second.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:I fully agree, though I don't think we should immediately resort to dropping JDAMs on IDF division HQs as the first option. Maybe the second. Houthis, Isrealis, Hamas are all performing indiscriminate acts against civilians. I have no need to support one over the other. I can understand the cycle of violence that got us here while realizing that continued eye for an eye leads nowhere. Edit: the coalition bombing campaign has focused on ASM launchers. Indiscriminate attacks against shipping in one of the busiest lanes doesn't really help their cause or support their professed justification. There are also carry on effects when it comes to world trade, with costs of shipping increasing by 1 million either through extra fuel around the Cape or increased insurance through a war zone. This pushes into food and fuel costs across the world. lightpole fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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lightpole posted:Houthis, Isrealis, Hamas are all performing indiscriminate acts against civilians. I have no need to support one over the other. I can understand the cycle of violence that got us here while realizing that continued eye for an eye leads nowhere. I do not think "all sides are bad" is a particularly novel or brave stance. Exactly what would be an acceptable way to resist in your eyes? Waffling about an "eye for an eye" and cycle of violence in regards to actions that to some extent are taken to slow or prevent a genocide that is not in the past but is actively ongoing is... something. quote:Edit: the coalition bombing campaign has focused on ASM launchers. Indiscriminate attacks against shipping in one of the busiest lanes doesn't really help their cause or support their professed justification. There are also carry on effects when it comes to world trade, with costs of shipping increasing by 1 million either through extra fuel around the Cape or increased insurance through a war zone. This pushes into food and fuel costs across the world. Holy gently caress. High costs of shipping, two million people getting liquidated in a ghetto, who can say which is worse? Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Military targets would be legitimate. Attacks against unaffiliated civilians illegitimate.
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One of the more recent attacks was on the Marlin Luanda, operated by Oceonix Svcs Ltd (UK registered) on behalf of Trafigura (Singapore company), carrying oil, flagged Marshal Islands, crewed by 22 Indians and a Bangladeshi I think. You're running a pretty thin legitimate target argument to say the least so I'm not going to bother continuing with this. Edit: Carrying Russian naphtha to Singapore. lightpole fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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lightpole posted:He didn't come anywhere near to saying this.  lightpole posted:Houthis, Isrealis, Hamas are all performing indiscriminate acts against civilians. I have no need to support one over the other. I can understand the cycle of violence that got us here while realizing that continued eye for an eye leads nowhere. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:A belligerent's commerce is an entirely legitimate target.
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