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Poque posted:You gonna go? I've been to Cooperstown before and I can't imagine how awful it will be on HoF weekend so I'll be fine watching from home
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Schilling is going to get in via committee before Bonds or Clemens and it's going to be lame
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Eric the Mauve posted:bawfuls is right
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oshuaj posted:https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1750004355367911847?t=7e_AeuEAxAEXWK4yw_RgCQ&s=19 Yay Rhys Milwaukee will love him
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bawfuls posted:A bummer but true statement Yes he also didn't really stay in shape or take care of himself.
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I'm just glad that Helton and Mauer getting in has lowered the bar enough for Bawfuls and I to agree that Jones deserves to get in as well.
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Speaking of really good pitchers who had trouble staying healthy in their 30's, wtf is up with Kershaw? He's still unsigned and the Dodgers just went out and got Paxton??? I feel like if Kershaw gets his 3000th K this year and it's with a team other than the Dodgers I'll be able to hear bawful's enraged scream from across the country.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I'm just glad that Helton and Mauer getting in has lowered the bar enough for Bawfuls and I to agree that Jones deserves to get in as well. actually you'll find that to be incorrect because Bawfuls entire argument was just a lot of words coming down to he's upset Jones wasn't good as a Dodger, checkmate Big Hall haver
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Sydin posted:Speaking of really good pitchers who had trouble staying healthy in their 30's, wtf is up with Kershaw? He's still unsigned and the Dodgers just went out and got Paxton??? I remain convinced that he will not go to Texas, as I have been for the past several winters. I am absolutely certain he's not letting that DS game be his last start ever, and somewhat confidant he won't let it be his last as a Dodger. edit: as for them getting Paxton, Eno Sarris made a good point about this on a podcast today. The Dodgers do not really care about innings or "rotation slots" at this point. They acquire pitching depth, and shuffle guys around based on who's healthy/effective at any given time. They run a defacto 6-man rotation without really saying so. There's no scenario where their rotation is "too full" for Kershaw. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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bawfuls posted:He's in no rush and neither are the Dodgers, as it saves them a 40-man spot right now. He will probably not even sign until like May or something, whenever he starts his throwing program after the surgery he had in the fall. Oh yeah I totally forgot he needed to get surgery after getting pushed out to start a postseason game with 1/4th of a left shoulder. I need him to knock out 2-3 more Kershaw-esq seasons at a minimum because he is supremely close to 3000 IP, 3000 K's, career <2.50 ERA 
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Believe it or not with all his injuries, this is the first surgery of his career. I kind of think that if he can come back strong-ish this year and finish on a high note, this will be his last season. I've had a feeling for awhile that if they'd had won a championship in any season after 2020, he would have retired on the spot. That feels more true than ever now, although I wish he'd announce his final season at the start of whatever year it is so we can give him a proper sendoff.
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Sydin posted:2-3 more Kershavian seasons Fixed your typo
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bawfuls posted:Is peak vs longevity not a reasonable difference of opinion? Is it not possible to disagree on what a "good enough" peak is? His WAR total is right on the bubble. To me his peak was not high enough and he fell off too fast. I don't think people were being disingenuous when arguing that because Jones longevity was in his age 20-30 seasons instead of 25-35 shouldn't matter.
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Popete posted:I don't think people were being disingenuous when arguing that because Jones longevity was in his age 20-30 seasons instead of 25-35 shouldn't matter. but also 10 years is a pretty borderline definition of longevity to me
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wow you figured it out, I don't actually think Jones is HOF worthy and was just trying to razz you good. a 10 year run of 350 homers and being the greatest defensive CF ever is like, whatever
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I didn't say you or anyone else was being disingenuous, Popete said that I don't think anyone is doing that. I think lots of people thought my argument was laughable or outrageous or insane rather than a difference of opinion on what makes a Hall of Fame career. I do think you're obviously being a bit disingenuous when you suggest that the entirety of my reasoning is because he was bad specifically on the Dodgers. I think you know that's not the case but it's more fun for you to pretend.
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yeah? well I'll still razz you yet, you just wait. edit: actually don't, that's a lot of effort that I should probably use on just about anything else now that my worst day of the year, HOF induction day, is over
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anyway posting about posting is the worst kind of posting here is a tweet that reminds me too much of what could have been https://twitter.com/Dodgers/status/1749934985522692514 the first of many Frank McCourt crimes against baseball was letting this beautiful man walk away from LA
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I appreciate that Beltre interrupted two insanely productive careers with a short stint loving over the M's (I tease, plus other than his walk year he wasn't that great with the Dodgers compared to his Rangers years)
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A couple of the folks I know were surprised Beltré went in first ballot and that he was "good but not great". I know it was already said here, but it's pretty wild how he had that insanely good a career while a lot of people just don't realize how he's on the shortlist of the greatest third basemen ever
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There was a time before his sustained Texas production, back in like 2010-ish, where Beltre was a popular "sleeper HoF" pick among the online sabr types. Even before his Boston breakout nerds drooled over his defense, noticed he was at ~45 WAR at age 30, and figured he had a shot. After a couple hot years with the bat, these kinds of posts got even more popular. Then he just kept hitting, made it to 3000 Hits and 93 godamn WAR, and made it a slam dunk case. I don't know what kind of baseball consumption a fan has to have to get your impression of Beltre stuck in 2009. Maybe it's a microcosm of 3B in general, which is severely underrepresented in the Hall of Fame. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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Bah. I really wanted Hoskins on the Cubs. Trading for that AAAA guy made it clear it wasn't going to happen, but I'm annoyed he went to Milwaukee, either way.
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bawfuls posted:I don't know what kind of baseball consumption a fan has to have to get your impression of Beltre stuck in 2009. Maybe it's a microcosm of 3B in general, which is severely underrepresented in the Hall of Fame. yeah I realized after posting I was talking to diehard Mariner's fans so that might explain it
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bawfuls posted:anyway posting about posting is the worst kind of posting The Red Sox don't get enough poo poo for letting Beltre walk so they could sign Adrian Gonzalez.
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zoux posted:LAT laid off 25% of its newsroom today, including the Dodgers beat writer? So going back to this https://twitter.com/julcarm/status/1749901777804427315
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Intruder posted:So going back to this Capitalism, baby! WOOHOO!
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bawfuls posted:ARod and Bonds continued to be productive in their 30's. Jones did not. There are lot of players who had the first-half of a Hall of Fame career but for whatever reason failed to assemble the second half. Somebody on the PL Discord last night said that the difference between HoF and Hall of Very Good or Hall of Excellent is how they ended their careers which I think is pretty incisive and true even if people don't think that should necessarily be the case. bawfuls posted:A bummer but true statement CC's late career reinvention as a crafty lefty is so wildly impressive when you look around at how so many other pitchers just kind of flamed out because they were too stubborn to change course. Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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So, next year it’ll definitely be Ichiro and probably Wagner? Sabathia will probably get in at some point, I’m just not sure if it’ll be next year. My other guess is that Buehrle will find a huge groundswell of support and be elected with roughly 90% of the vote.
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DeepDickPizza posted:Bah. I really wanted Hoskins on the Cubs. Trading for that AAAA guy made it clear it wasn't going to happen, but I'm annoyed he went to Milwaukee, either way. I very much did not want Hoskins on the Cubs. 2022 had some worrying Statcast or xStat numbers IIRC and now he’s coming off a lost season. Busch and/or Mervis will be fine.
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Twin Cinema posted:So, next year it’ll definitely be Ichiro and probably Wagner? yes and Andruw Jones
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Tatsuta Age posted:yes and Andruw Jones lmao
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Twin Cinema posted:So, next year it’ll definitely be Ichiro and probably Wagner? I think CC has a decent chance of making it in on his first year, it seems like he's already got a good base of support among a lot of the more vocal voters, although he will be a big change in the "yardstick" numbers for SPs (which will have to happen sooner or later, I hope.)
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3000 strikeouts is not a big change for pitchers, it’s a staple just like 3000 hits
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mcmagic posted:lol @ a "hall of fame" with joe mauer and not arod, bonds or manny. the whole thing is a joke.
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maffew buildings posted:A couple of the folks I know were surprised Beltré went in first ballot and that he was "good but not great". I know it was already said here, but it's pretty wild how he had that insanely good a career while a lot of people just don't realize how he's on the shortlist of the greatest third basemen ever I think it’s because he spent many years on two teams that are not very popular or covered It would be like a good football player spending their prime on Jacksonville or the Chargers
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bawfuls posted:3000 strikeouts is not a big change for pitchers, it’s a staple just like 3000 hits I wasn't thinking of Ks, I thought he was farther behind in Wins, but that number's already come down more than I thought.
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