|
Treecko posted:I ment that in the best way possible, I needed the laugh. No problem, I'm not the vengeful Alec Baldwin after all. 
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 04:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 18:25 |
|
|
Treecko posted:I have a weird thing for David Spade, I'll take him I'm kind of a size queen
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 04:50
|
|
|
kntfkr posted:Being an actor doesn't excuse first degree murdering an unarmed mother of two. Yeah but, he’s like really charismatic!
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 05:17
|
|
|
alec blasted my balls off and every time i recover i see this motherfucker round every corner
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 07:27
|
|
|
he should be charged as the executive producer but i think a producer on set literally called out the gun as being "cleared" without checking anything before handing it to him and it feels like that producer should mega go to jail
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 16:29
|
|
|
kinda sad to see the thread single out Alec Baldwin, when every James Bond movie starts with Bond shooting the cameraman
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 16:52
|
|
|
Buce posted:even if baldwin pulled the trigger 50 times while screaming MURDER TIIIIIIME, it's still on the armorer to make sure the gun is cold. like, how is this whole poo poo still going Because while the armorer's job is to make sure this doesn't happen its a pretty easy to understand concept that the ultimate moral and legal responsibility for manslaughter is on the person that pulled the trigger on a real gun.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:11
|
|
|
I hate this attitude of dispersed responsibility. If a self driving car kills someone, then the person behind the wheel killed them.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:13
|
|
|
Being credited as a producer of a third-run Netflix dump movie should be punishment enough
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:14
|
|
|
It's a movie set. People have different jobs. The armorer has the job of ensuring the props are safe to use. No way is this on the actor. They don't know what is real or fake, safe or dangerous. If it had been a physical stunt where one actor falls onto another with a stunt coordinator arranging it all and something went wrong you'd not hold the falling actor responsible. You'd look to the stunt team for who screwed up. Baldwin as a producer might be liable for other failings but as an actor it's not his job to understand if the gun he's holding has real cartridges or props. Hell, he probably didn't even know it was an actual firearm. I don't even understand why he was charged at all.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:20
|
|
|
he knew and he didnt care
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:21
|
|
|
some of the crew reported baldwin turned the gun on himself right after smoking the cinematographer, but it dry fired. he knew exactly what he did
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:22
|
|
|
PookBear posted:Because while the armorer's job is to make sure this doesn't happen its a pretty easy to understand concept that the ultimate moral and legal responsibility for manslaughter is on the person that pulled the trigger on a real gun. there's no evidence he pulled the trigger, though. his own statement is that he didn't, the fbi damaged the gun when testing it, and the new testing vendor that claimed he had to have pulled the trigger basically had to rebuild the gun to test it, meaning it wasn't the gun in baldwin's hand on the day of the incident. I'm pretty sure the criminal charges against him will be dismissed again.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:28
|
|
|
If Apec would've just used the traditional weapon of old, like the wrist-mounted dagger, while being respectful of his target instead of threatening everyone on set with a loaded six-shooter, he would have gotten away with a clean job. Hope the Order takes notice of his transgressions while he's in prison, and performs a proper excommunication. Requiescat in pace.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:42
|
|
|
The Single Action Army is well known for being a firearm that can discharge a round without pulling the trigger. The hammer basically rests on the primer when it is down and there's no hammer block mechanism on the trigger when it is cocked. The hammer notches can wear meaning you can push the hammer off the notch with pressure without pulling the trigger.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:44
|
|
|
PookBear posted:I hate this attitude of dispersed responsibility. If a self driving car kills someone, then the person behind the wheel killed them. Except it's a car that was used the day before where someone cut the brakes and then gave it to someone to use in a Group B event without telling them the brake lines had been cut It's not really the same thing
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 18:47
|
|
|
Mr. Nice! posted:there's no evidence he pulled the trigger, though. Bullets do not fire themselves, I hope that's simple enough for you to understand. It's not like he dropped it or something.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:08
|
|
|
Big rear end On Fire posted:The Single Action Army is well known for being a firearm that can discharge a round without pulling the trigger. The hammer basically rests on the primer when it is down and there's no hammer block mechanism on the trigger when it is cocked. The hammer notches can wear meaning you can push the hammer off the notch with pressure without pulling the trigger. It's almost like someone should be legally held responsible for negligence and/or murder. Alec will strike again at this rate.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:10
|
|
|
smoobles posted:kinda sad to see the thread single out Alec Baldwin, when every James Bond movie starts with Bond shooting the cameraman Yeah but with James bond they made sure to only hire camera operators that had displeased the queen, so it was more just a royal execution -but not the good kind- than anything else.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:16
|
|
|
satanic splash-back posted:Bullets do not fire themselves, I hope that's simple enough for you to understand. Depending on the weapon, sometimes a gentle shake is all it needs to discharge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fn6GFSwTEw At the time he had the gun in his hand, Baldwin was an actor on a set with what he thought was a prop gun that he was told was clear. He claims he didn't pull the trigger, and it is very possible for the type of gun he had to fire without pulling the trigger. There is a big stretch to get to criminal liability. He is 100% liable for wrongful death, a civil matter, and should pay millions. I don't think any criminal charges stick, though, with all of the circumstances in place in this case.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:22
|
|
|
Alec Baldwin held a gun and fired it at someone without first checking if it was unloaded with his own eyes and will not be charged with murder
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:35
|
|
|
satanic splash-back posted:Alec Baldwin held a gun and fired it at someone without first checking if it was unloaded with his own eyes and will not be charged with murder It was (supposed to be) a prop gun that he was told was clear. Actors are loving idiots who rely on the propmaster and armorer to ensure that everything is safe. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZhHxTCGi8c
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:38
|
|
|
satanic splash-back posted:Alec Baldwin held a gun and fired it at someone without first checking if it was unloaded with his own eyes and will not be charged with murder Lol Alec Baldwin is a dumbass and probably doesn't know how guns work anyway, that's why you hire an expert to manage these aspects of filming. There are systems in life and sometimes mistakes in one place by one party translate to consequences in another place for another party
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 19:49
|
|
|
why don't they just hire a lady detective to sort this all out? there has been a similar plotline in at least two lady detective shows i've watched in the past decade, and the lady detective always got to the bottom of it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 20:49
|
|
|
Bad Purchase posted:why don't they just hire a lady detective to sort this all out? there has been a similar plotline in at least two lady detective shows i've watched in the past decade, and the lady detective always got to the bottom of it. what's the one not starring Angela Lansbury
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 20:54
|
|
|
AARD VARKMAN posted:what's the one not starring Angela Lansbury neither, the two i was thinking of are miss fisher's murder mysteries and miss scarlet and the duke
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 20:56
|
|
|
Big rear end On Fire posted:It's a movie set. People have different jobs. The armorer has the job of ensuring the props are safe to use. No way is this on the actor. They don't know what is real or fake, safe or dangerous. To clarify, he 100% knew it was a real gun and that there were real bullets on the set, because the armorer and other crew members were loving around with it and using it for target practice out back. There were also two accidental discharges in the days leading up to it which is partially what resulted in the crew members walking off that morning https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-rust-safety-complaints-before-death-reports/6141302001/ Also lol that the company is called Rust Movie Productions LLC.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:13
|
|
|
je1 healthcare posted:Also lol that the company is called Rust Movie Productions LLC. That’s pretty common. A lot of film productions form LLCs that exist for the sole purpose of the making the film. Especially when there isn’t a big studio involved, you need a business entity to handle a lot of things (getting money from investors, hiring crew, renting locations/equipment, etc. Since the company will only exist for that one movie, they often have the name <Movie Name> Production(s) or similar. This can be a fun way to see if a movie’s title was changed during production, too. Like, the Donald Glover indie film Mystery Team was produced by Mystery Gang Productions (they had to change the title since Hannah Barbera had the copyright to “Mystery Gang” thanks to Scooby Doo).
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:26
|
|
|
je1 healthcare posted:To clarify, he 100% knew it was a real gun and that there were real bullets on the set, because the armorer and other crew members were loving around with it and using it for target practice out back.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:29
|
|
|
Big rear end On Fire posted:Was he present when they were using it for target practice? Did he know it was the same gun? Was it the same gun? Also that article says it had "misfires". Misfires in shooting terms means the trigger was pulled but the cartridge did not fire. That tells me that someone pulled the trigger of the gun expecting a report and didn't get one. That's a major screwup but not the same thing as an accidental discharge. He was definitely on set when folks were loving around and it wasn’t a big enough location that you could have gunfire in one part of it and not hear it elsewhere. It was also confirmed that the gun he killed that woman with was the one folks were using for shooting targets.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:37
|
|
|
A pale nimbus of cancer-inducing smoke is pallbearing the last of my remaining leads through the grimy facets of an overused whiskey glass silently leasing the corner of my desk: "Was it really a crime of passion? Why'd feds break the gun? Just who are Baldwin's real enemies?"
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:40
|
|
|
Big rear end On Fire posted:Was he present when they were using it for target practice? Did he know it was the same gun? Was it the same gun? Also that article says it had "misfires". Misfires in shooting terms means the trigger was pulled but the cartridge did not fire. That tells me that someone pulled the trigger of the gun expecting a report and didn't get one. That's a major screwup but not the same thing as an accidental discharge. It'd be impossible for them to shoot cans out back without everyone on set hearing it, unless they were like 3 miles away. Also the prior on-set misfires that the crew complained about were in fact accidental discharges: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:45
|
|
|
I'm playing Golden Sun 2: The Lost Age on Nintendo Switch Online Game Boy Advance app. Anyway there is an enemy named "Alec Goblin"
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:48
|
|
|
Baldwin is not going down for this. It sounds like the production had problems, the armorer was a complete screw up and the assistant director didn't do their job.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 22:59
|
|
|
What do you guys think the movies commentary track will be like
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 23:01
|
|
|
Baldwin KNEW the gun was loaded and how it worked. The armourer loving up is a RUSE so he can kill and get away with it. AND HE'LL DO IT AGAIN. HIS BLOODLUST CANNOT BE STOPPED!!
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 23:05
|
|
|
Bad Purchase posted:why don't they just hire a lady detective to sort this all out? there has been a similar plotline in at least two lady detective shows i've watched in the past decade, and the lady detective always got to the bottom of it. If they can't get a lady detective on short notice, maybe they can have Ice-T show up and explain Alec Baldwin's particular subcultural practices
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 23:09
|
|
|
Big rear end On Fire posted:Baldwin is not going down for this. It sounds like the production had problems, the armorer was a complete screw up and the assistant director didn't do their job. yep, it’s this, and perhaps also some culpability for the on set producer who should’ve been aware of these shortcomings from prior incidents and fixed them before they turned deadly — whoever that might be.
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 23:09
|
|
|
He lied about not pulling the trigger. Was adamant about it, in fact, and the feds managed to prove otherwise. Feds don't like it when you lie to them!
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 23:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 24, 2024 18:25 |
|
|
sure okay posted:He lied about not pulling the trigger. Was adamant about it, in fact, and the feds managed to prove otherwise. Then again the crew could say that the trigger wasn't pulled for the other accidental discharges either which would bolster claims that it was worn or defective
|
|
#
?
Jan 24, 2024 23:19
|
|