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It's real, it's the same wording as acts bit on the treaty in their manifesto lol, not even a surprise
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Jan 18, 2024 23:02
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Copy+paste by the absolute best people
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Jan 18, 2024 23:13
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https://x.com/henrycooke/status/1748107706320171497?s=46&t=z-BpKV_zuayDXrjUW20mQw
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https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/19/leaked-ministry-doc-warns-bill-could-break-spirit-and-text-of-treaty/ 1 news says it's a leg bid, which makes sense – the headings match the template https://www.dpmc.govt.nz/publications/about-legislation-programme
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sebmojo posted:I feel like I should do an effort post on the public law implications of the principles, but pending that read this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Maori_Council_v_Attorney-General So you define everyone in NZ as Maori leadership and thus destroy the need to consult actual Maori leadership? Is that about right?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:So you define everyone in NZ as Maori leadership and thus destroy the need to consult actual Maori leadership? Is that about right? Nah it just ignores the treaty entirely p much
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Here's a quick explainer for anyone who doesn't really understand: Seymour's proposed principles do two interconnected things. One would be to overwrite what Te Tiriti is, in the sense of constitutional law. Basically when the Courts and the Waitangi Tribunal make rulings based on Te Tiriti they don't refer to the actual text(s) themselves, but rather to the underlying principles behind both texts. There are a bunch of "principles" that have been semi-codified over the last 40 years by various rulings in the Courts and by decisions by the Waitangi Tribunal. Various bits of legislation require that the principles be given effect in a variety of ways, sometimes fairly specifically and other times in pretty vague ways. There are a bunch of principles, probably the most important one being the principle of partnership. A bunch of landmark cases in the Courts have found that all versions of the treaty were an attempt to establish a partnership between the Crown and Māori. This is the most important because a principle of partnership establishes a bunch of flow-ons, like a duty to act in good faith, for there to be informed decision making (i.e. genuine consultation), etc. Other principles are the Crown's duty to actively protect Māori people, culture and taonga (including language); and the principle of mutual benefit. Seymour's proposal would replace all of this with some bland libertarian principles that are already part of our constitutional law through poo poo like the NZBORA. The second (and related) thing is to redefine what Tino Rangatiratanga means and, in doing so, erase the principle of partnership along with all the flow-ons. It does this in the proposed principle #2, where it says that all "New Zealanders" have Tino Rangatiratanga over their land and property, and then (in the leaked document) defines Tino Rangatiratanga as "chieftainship". Without a recognition that Te Tiriti granted Māori tino rangatiratanga, or absolute sovereignty, there's no longer any requirement for the Crown to act in partnership with Māori, because Māori would have no sovereignty except through the Crown.
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John Campbell's piece about the hui yesterday at Turangawaewae is good: https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/21/john-campbell-i-saw-peace-joy-and-10000-people-uniting-to-say-no/
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so are all those leaking cracks in the road and sidewalk in wellington not water features?? kinda like the bucket fountain but less colourful i guess
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Booty Pageant posted:so are all those leaking cracks in the road and sidewalk in wellington not water features?? kinda like the bucket fountain but less colourful i guess That is doing a disservice to the bucket fountain, it is raised so that a decent gust of wind can completely soak tourists while they pose for pictures.
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Content to Hover posted:it is raised so that a decent gust of wind can completely soak tourists while they pose for pictures. could that be counted as irrigation??
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Booty Pageant posted:could that be counted as irrigation?? Potentially growing tourist numbers, so maybe?
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Lol at least 55% of the wcc rates take is spent on water and roads, I guess the council could close all the pools, parks, beaches and libraries in order to fund THE PIPES
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Booty Pageant posted:could that be counted as irrigation?? Shouldn't be hasty to shut it down, I think it'll make a fine distribution point for citizens to fill their own buckets in the coming months. BuckyDoneGun fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jan 22, 2024 |
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Infrastructure costs money, while increasing rates (or taxes if you centralise) costs elections. So we need to recognise the inherent beauty that poo fountains and sidewalk water features bring to our capital.
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Booty Pageant posted:so are all those leaking cracks in the road and sidewalk in wellington not water features?? kinda like the bucket fountain but less colourful i guess i'm getting word that the stream at the corner of tory and wakefield is now old enough to drink at the panhead bar it passes in front of
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Lol at least 55% of the wcc rates take is spent on water and roads, I guess the council could close all the pools, parks, beaches and libraries in order to fund THE PIPES to be fair, access to safe drinking water and sanitation is more important than those other things but i think they should tear down city hall first before looking at cutting those
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Progressive JPEG posted:i'm getting word that the stream at the corner of tory and wakefield is now old enough to drink at the panhead bar it passes in front of good news! heritage nz had been thinking of declaring the stream as a historic place. however they decided to go with the BP station down the road instead
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The view of the stream from the BP has been declared an Historic View, though, so don't worry it's not going anywhere.
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Progressive JPEG posted:to be fair, access to safe drinking water and sanitation is more important than those other things Love to live in a city with zero amenities and no events but there's water, sewage and roads
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Love to live in a city with zero amenities and no events but there's water, sewage and roads come on down to christchurch!
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redleader posted:come on down to christchurch! Oh eventually we'll finish the stadium and have some sort of events. After raising rates over and over for several years to pay for it all...
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The central library is fantastic, to be fair. And maybe the pool complex in town will be finished one day.
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redleader posted:come on down to christchurch! Hey at least central government spent a bit of money on EQ recovery in chch
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Hey at least central government spent a bit of money on EQ recovery in chch Whereas as far as I'm aware, so far this govt doesn't plan to do anything at all in Christchurch (and probably scrap many of the stuff that was previously planned)
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May i interest you in Palmerston North?
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Firstscion posted:May i interest you in Palmerston North? No you may not.
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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/507356/new-zealand-to-deploy-defence-force-to-red-sea This gov sucks.
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the geysers are supposed to be in rotorua not wellington!! https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/507425/houghton-bay-residents-could-have-been-injured-by-exploding-water-main-eyewitness though i might be biased but i'd prefer the smell of sulfur than the smell of everyone's faeces mixed together
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Taitale posted:https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/507356/new-zealand-to-deploy-defence-force-to-red-sea driving up inflation by helping escalate a conflict to "protect supply chains" ftw
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https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/01/25/budget-deficit-11b-lower-than-forecast/ Apparently the "books" are not quite as dire as it was made out to be, but let's not let a little thing like evidence get in the way of saying the previous govt did a terrible job.
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Just like when Labour got in last time and found the books were waaaay worse than National said they were.
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*looking at two fingers of a giant hand* is index finger just an arm of middle finger at this point?
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exmachina posted:Is Treasury just an arm of the National party at this point?
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