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FuzzySlippers posted:some of these posts really sound like the cspam posts a few months into covid where people were confidently asserting that food was going to run out and it would be The Road within the year. Can't remember the guy who wrote novella length posts about prepping for the end times who either got banned or left for another site. crop failures are already here, and climate change is rapidly accelerating. 2023 was very different from any previous year (even 2022), ocean warming broke with decades of data and 2024 is already on track to be worse  i don't know when widespread crop failures will cause the empire to break down, but we're entering unprecedented territory here. and the only move america knows is "uhhh invade someone and take their food?" if that doesn't work? well,
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Truga posted:those resources are already owned by your betters and protected by their private military detachments lmao Yeah that sounds like a random city dweller living in a third world country currently.
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skooma512 posted:I have a Chinese surname, but my family is Korean. I fully expect to be sent to a camp or lynched in the street when the US gets the war it wants with China and takes serious losses and doesn't just cruise (missile) its way to victory in 2 months like it's used to. It'll be because the don't worry about stuff like that nazi germany succeeded because the other states wouldn't support opposition against it No one likes The rulers in the West No one will save them No one will try to they will not be able to pay people enough capital is choking to death on itself It already blew its death load It can't do it
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If it was capable of enacting much more oppression without totally destabilizing itself, from how it is right now? it would be doing it right now preventatively it can't do it lol
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FirstnameLastname posted:who's going to pay the cops 
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FirstnameLastname posted:If it was capable of enacting much more oppression without totally destabilizing itself, from how it is right now? true, but the bloodthirsty idiots think any failure just means they need to push things further https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/1743333079702520198
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hamas ftw posted:true, but the bloodthirsty idiots think any failure just means they need to push things further Domino theory is back, in pog form e: "if my pants fall down, everyone will see my tiny dick!"
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fortunately, in neoliberalism bloodthirsty idiots are like 4th row in the halls of power behind money, more money, and even more loving money
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quit being hopeless you bunch of noobs the revolution is gonna happen and knock over all of the old stuff they have run out of everything they have to maintain their order they can't do it anymore than they are now they've been trying to for years it will look the way that it looks in movies for people like musk and bezos, for everyone else it will be big fireworks, capital won't be able to ruin it, it won't have anywhere to attack from, china runs things now and that's that, ppl just don't realize it, but they do in every meaningful way and will only continue to
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Truga posted:in a reversal of fortune, foreign powers will be propping up the dictatorial police state to prevent it from descending into chaos, because a chaotic international player with 5000 nukes can be a problem If that happened, China could just pay off the rulers to fix things anything is worth the safety of the entire planet China's not capitalist, they care about that
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Oh no not a massive tax write down How could this have happened https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/northrop-grumman-loses-a-billion-dollars-on-the-b-21-program
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hamas ftw posted:crop failures are already here, and climate change is rapidly accelerating. 2023 was very different from any previous year (even 2022), ocean warming broke with decades of data and 2024 is already on track to be worse you're saying America can't grow food? No where in big rear end America with lots of different climates? Is Mexico not going to grow any food either? Global warming is not instant deserts in every part of the continent. I'm old enough to remember peak oil in the 80s/90s when so many people on the fringe were confidently stating we should have run out of oil by now and a lot of this talk reminds me of it. Global warming is mega bad and increasing, but that doesn't make it billions of people die instantly bad. Maybe we're on a one way trip to hell, but we have plenty of time to suffer further. America grows a ton of food, but in the bizarro world of global finance it makes more sense for them to export that and import food from elsewhere. There's a lot of dumb poo poo countries like America do because profits are elsewhere, but when things change and suddenly its profitable (because things get worse) to do something different they shift. You see that in oil where old unprofitable ways of obtaining oil became viable as the price increased. I know the American elite are mega dumb, but I think everyone shrugging and starving when it would be easy to grow plenty of food here is not a strong case to make. There are ways to grow food more intensively and productively that no one bothers because cost that would suddenly become viable if things became more desperate. That isn't to say things can't suck in all kinds of ways (baby food shortage, drugs shortages, bridges collapsing, etc) but that isn't the same as shrugging as the entire bloody society collapses.
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The Oldest Man posted:Oh no not a massive tax write down "This loss is because the economy is broken with no explanation or expected duration. Things are more expensive than we thought, we've kept planning to fix these problems for years, none of them get fixed and we don't have the leverage we thought we had, because the product is trash for War and the cost, only useful for profit and kid murder" maybe thats what effective altruism is lmao profiting as much as possible as fast as possible to starve material funding from competing capitalist murder plots
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FirstnameLastname is spitting it out hot today. I agree with their views:there is absolutely nothing that the rich could do but haven't, because if there was any lever they could pull to stop this decline they'd do it in a heartbeat. It is also in my opinion wrong to think that the wellbeing of the third and former second world would not be a boon to us. However much we received in pillage from the periphery it pales in comparison to what we could get working with other nations. As well, the rebellious spirit of any nation nucleates from incredibly small numbers of people at first: Hamas (which is currently beating the US backed colonial nation of Israel) split off from the Muslim brotherhood, which was itself founded by less than a dozen members at its very beginning. There are plenty of ways for a small group of people to successfully act out to materially benefit themselves and their loved ones, and any success could and almost certainly would cause them to swell massively in membership the second any do so. The money paid to cops only has value for what it buys. The budget of cops is paid from the very capital they guard, and if the material cost to pay and equip/maintain them cost more than what is generated from said guarded capital then they will be cut back, either by their employer or their chief. Takes resources to guard resources, and buddy they don't wanna make anything even if it means the cops dipset at a firecracker.
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America isn't going to run out of food theoretically, but...it being exported abroad while the population goes hungry isn't going to be popular.
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hamas ftw posted:when faced with a decision between growing their circle of compassion or shrinking it, democrats will always choose the latter Justinian 2 knew a lot about cutting off the nose to spite the face...
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 North America produces a lot of food even while most of America sits empty. America isn't fighting abroad desperately for resources it can't obtain (unlike some older empires), but for much more complicated and dumber reasons. A lot of America's agricultural production is allocated stupidly, but that could be changed as conditions require. There doesn't have to be a communist revolution to get the capitalists to put a little more effort into feeding the country especially as things threaten to spin out of control. There is so much space between America the hyperpower that can direct its will at any point in the globe and The Road/Mad Max/etc. America could exist perfectly fine as a middling power contained entirely within the continent. Americans will throw a fit about having to do so, but it doesn't make it impossible or that the elite will choose nuclear obliteration over just being Canada's bigger brother. Zombie/apocalypse movies are pro-cop poo poo that suggest society instantly kills itself when not kept together by a thin blue line. Even Americans, dumb as we are, can organize to keep things going when forced to do so.
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hamas ftw posted:true, but the bloodthirsty idiots think any failure just means they need to push things further If I stop headbutting this brick wall everyone will think I'm a coward so I have to keep going.
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FuzzySlippers posted:
The capitalists are unable to do reform. Remember it took one of their own to force even the mildest of reforms on them to create a functional prosperous society and they never forgave him for that and set out on a crusade to make sure that no one ever could, and their are no more FDRs in the wings, its all Kamalas and Mayor Rolatboy as far as the eye can see
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dead gay comedy forums posted:IDK what your peculiar ideological perspective of things is. For communists, the old maxim of "class above nation" is also about reminding people to not turn national prejudices inward, because it makes a lot harder to have solidarity with your people if you think on those terms there are so many ways life sucks so much in America compared to Turkey, both socially and even materially. I'd say America is exceptionally enshittified.
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rudecyrus posted:wtf is with all the doomerism? we're seeing real signs of the global capitalist empire receding and everyone's wailing "oh god, there is nigh but misery and woe ahead!" we had 400,000+ march on washington earlier this month to demand the end of the genocide and posters are unironically saying "americans are a uniquely evil and selfish people, there is no hope". * the Trump years were incredibly succ: quote:a non-partisan movement to celebrate science and the role it plays in everyday lives.[12] The goals of the marches and rallies were to emphasize that science upholds the common good and to call for evidence-based policy in the public's best interest. also lol quote:A March 2003 Gallup poll conducted during the first few days of the war showed that 5% of the population had protested or made a public opposition against the war compared to 21% who attended a rally or made a public display to support the war.[6]
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lol at how fast a thread can implode
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It is surprising how fast the US seems to be losing its grip on the world. As it is I don't think I'll be able to convince the crowd that has been saying nothing matters for half a decade that poo poo could go down in an instant until poo poo went down a couple years ago.
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Regarde Aduck posted:lol at how fast a thread can implode Thread is almost 5 years old; it can bounce back fine.
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mawarannahr posted:what do the demands do? 26 million people marched or protested for George Floyd. 5.6 million people for the 2017 women's march. 2 million people for the anti school shooting march for our lives. 1 million for the march for science in 2017*. 1 million against nuclear proliferation in 1982. My point was not every American is an amoral sociopath, not that protesting accomplishes change.
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Regarde Aduck posted:lol at how fast a thread can implode ?? You're the only one saying this
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Frosted Flake posted:Both the police and military rely on a strong, centralized state. IIRC weren't the latifundias functionally blackboxes that ate up the economy while contributing very little to the greater economy? Because in many ways the present situation does make me recall that vibe-wise. In the present day labor, land, resources, and finances are being devoured by corporations who contribute little to what they likewise take and demand from the US as a whole. It's also not helping that the current set of failsons are taught to be so blind and shortsighted such that the mundane observation that there is a positive correlation between electricity consumption and industry is a mind-blowing revelation.
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mawarannahr posted:there are so many ways life sucks so much in America compared to Turkey, both socially and even materially. I'd say America is exceptionally enshittified. I am Brazilian. Turkey is a lot better than us in many ways (food security for a very basic example) too, yet I can’t for the life of me figure out some uniquely damning conditions that make improvement an impossible thing to happen. In fact, it’s the reactionary sentiment that defends otherwise, here or anywhere
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KomradeX posted:The capitalists are unable to do reform. Remember it took one of their own to force even the mildest of reforms on them to create a functional prosperous society and they never forgave him for that and set out on a crusade to make sure that no one ever could, and their are no more FDRs in the wings, its all Kamalas and Mayor Rolatboy as far as the eye can see yep It will reach a point where they will just get out competed and cant massage the numbers or lie enough to cover it up, and they will have nothing to offer anyone and then that will be the end of that system. it's organizational natural selection, collective labor and public ownership is better for every single person except the capitalist - It doesn't scale, the point of collectivism is scale, you get more per person overall under every condition if other things are equal because the only parts under the capitalist system that profit can be extracted from are those still-collectivist minded and organized non mba'ified industries that aren't destroyed yet, there's like none of those left no frontier to bust open they didn't plan for this they thought the whole world would end they never thought China would be this close this fast they were prolly expecting to relieve the pressure by murdering everyone in China whenever things got too tight because they're racists who solve their problems by killing they spent 40 years assuming Chinese people are just loving around the same way the west is but also are cowards who build military equipment out of tin and will certainly all run away once fired upon at all u know, just like Russia, Yemen, Hamas, Iran FirstnameLastname has issued a correction as of 04:42 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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and of course, mileage may vary, but if circumstances are truly exceptional, then the dialectical movement will be exceptional as well in response. I am not saying it is some beautiful inevitability, I am saying that by the self-contradictory forces of the system that oppresses us necessarily create the means to overcome it to think otherwise is to deny the great task of humanity towards its emancipation, the capacity to do so and thus the principles of historical materialism. and motherfucker you better be able to take down Hegel, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Mao, Ho Chin Minh, Fanon and so help me God Trotsky and many, many great others more to argue seriously otherwise
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FuzzySlippers posted:
Lol agribusiness will let 50 million starve while feeding cheap corn to pigs to sell to China (Ireland all over again)
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No one is gonna buy overpriced pork when there is cheaper and tastier pork close by much less the ogs of making pigs China hth
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Has anyone made a study on the phenomenon of using cheap civilian graded weapons to suck up the expensive and limited ammo of air defense system? We have the homebrew hamas unguided rockets that can use up the 10x more expensive Iron Dome defense. And then Ansar Allah uses their anti ship missiles to suck up the missiles defense rocket on the navy ships. Ansar Allah probably doesn't even need to use real missiles, they can just strap a dji control module on the largest model plane they can find in the hobbyist shop, program a roundtrip course and send it out on the red sea, the US aegis ship will shoot it down with its precious surface-to-air missile. Surely they will use up the defensive missile in a matter of weeks? What's this tactic called?
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ProfessorBooty posted:There is this strange psychological self-deception that seems to occur when posting. By posting about doing x or y activity, you get the same feeling of satisfaction of actually doing x or y activity. this is correct one of Walter Benjamin's points in his The Writer’s Technique in Thirteen Theses: quote:II. Talk about what you have written, by all means, but do not read from it while the work is in progress. Every gratification procured in this way will slacken your tempo. If this regime is followed, the growing desire to communicate will become in the end a motor for completion.
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https://twitter.com/MarxistRealism/status/1750583864911892541quote:My initial thought toward this was "They've been telling you he's the next Roosevelt while delivering the next Buchanan" but it's obviously deeper than that. 
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stephenthinkpad posted:Has anyone made a study on the phenomenon of using cheap civilian graded weapons to suck up the expensive and limited ammo of air defense system? Any serious plan to attack an IADS or carrier group or whatever includes 1.) lots of missiles 2.) lots of decoys 3.) having them all arrive in a short time to achieve saturation and let you be as economical as possible with 1 and 2 Even with 1960's technology, the cost of achieving this was much less than the value of ships you could sink. An exocet missile is like 200k. 2000 of them is 400 million, a bargain. The commodification of the electronics and sensors that made these weapons expensive only makes things worse. The idea that you can just park a vessel or whatever in range of an attacker and shoot down missiles all day has never been correct. The US just hasn't fought a real war in decades, so it's used to getting away with dumb poo poo.
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Hatebag posted:you'd have about as much luck getting chickens to work together and sacrifice for a common future as you would americans nope It's the system people are told this stuff constantly and fed an image of America that isn't America and it's reinforced by the people who copy it because they're the worst but most people are just regular people unaware of how much the system they're in influences their behavior but it doesn't matter how aware they are if they're in a different system they'll change really fast they won't even really mind except in the way theyve been conditioned to push back at specific terms but people won't care what its called when they start wanting better things and capitalism won't give another option it's normal you don't have to tell people or anything, that's why capitalism fears it and has worked so hard to prevent it or escape to space for more growth it's also why it's inevitable everyone here has been taught that this stuff is not hard coded into the system's DNA pretty much it is tho, that's why marx spotted it so long ago
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