|
Traitors I think a possible clue against Harry thats been overlooked is the Ross/Diane thing. If Diane was his mum he probably wouldn't have murdered her, meaning he may have been recruited which leads back to Harry's shield being a ploy.
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 15:39
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 23:43 |
|
|
I can’t believe how the direction I was expecting following Fridays episode is now completely out the bag. It’s amazing how so much can change in just an episode. also with the whole Andrew/Ross thing, is that the first time someone has told a lie about another player? I’ve been waiting for that for so long! Like two traitors could say they walked in on a faithful acting suspicious with someone who’s since been outed as a Traitor, and get them banished based on how easy it is to lead people.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 15:49
|
|
|
Lemon posted:Traitors chat: Killing Jaz will also tie up the loose end of Jaz knowing that it was Harry who told Paul that Jaz thought Paul was suspicious, so I reckon it's the right move. I do think it's Harry's game to lose at this point. Can't believe I thought he was going to be useless when he was first picked. Andrew is so hapless that it won't be very satisfying if he does somehow manage a win on his own, although him lying about the "elusive" thing was funny (as was Harry glowering at Ross while dunking biscuits in milk).
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 16:48
|
|
|
It's never not funny when Andrew just talks about traitor stuff at the top of his voice whilst wandering down a hallway
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 16:51
|
|
|
One of the things I've wondered, and the thing that got me through to the next stage of the traitors application process, was wondering about how much the traitors can lie about the mechanics of the game itself. I asked if I could lie about having a role within the game that doesn't actually exist, such as an investigator role. They could actually answer that part. However, the casing AP started that you can otherwise lie about anything else you wanted to, and are encouraged to. I also said that I would hide behind the curtains to try and eavesdrop on other people's conversations. Surprised that's not been tried yet.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 17:02
|
|
|
Traitors: i was hoping everyone wouldnt swallow the 'they tried to kill Harry but he had a secret shield' narrative but i guess a good sounding story that also clears everyone he told about the shield of being a traitor was too convienient for them to question much. I was hoping Ross would go hard on Harry and say anything about it being cover for a recruitment, in the same way Harry himself spelled out the exact mechanics of the dungeon situation when he took out Paul. I wanted his vengence quest to go a lot better. Its a shame his shenanigans have mainly messed with Andrew, who's a lot easier to root for than Harry. The poo poo stiring was really good at first but Andrew was put in situation where he had to deny the whole thing at the round table because it was explicitly traitor stuff Harry was being 'ellusive' about in the first place.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 17:12
|
|
|
What do you reckon would happen if a traitor just lost their poo poo at the round table and straight up outed the others?
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 17:33
|
|
|
Lemon posted:What do you reckon would happen if a traitor just lost their poo poo at the round table and straight up outed the others? I've heard this did happen in another country's version and the production crew just had to reset the game back to Day 1 and pick entirely new traitors. I'd imagine there's something in the contracts to punish anyone who does this though.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 17:40
|
|
|
Yeah that's what I figured. If I was Ross I think I may well have fallen foul of that, they did well to hold it together.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 18:13
|
|
|
RE how things will play out, one interesting thing is that they're really making Harry less and less likeable in the edit compared to, say, Andrew. The "I'm so smart" confessional feels like they're obviously setting him up for a fall, but I can't possibly see how that plays out.Tsietisin posted:One of the things I've wondered, and the thing that got me through to the next stage of the traitors application process, was wondering about how much the traitors can lie about the mechanics of the game itself. I'd be really curious to hear more about what the process was like, if you can share. Are they basically looking for a character pitch from you?
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 18:32
|
|
|
Traitors US is hosted by Alan Cumming, who is camping it up 150%. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 19:31
|
|
|
Dell_Zincht posted:One of the most successful inventors on DD is the bloke who invented the Tangle Teezer. The dragons basically laughed him out of the Den but his products are sold in TK Maxx and Boots SO WHO'S LAUGHING NOW EH, BITCHES I still remember Trunkie and how Paphetis said it was useless poo poo because he smashed it up
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 21:37
|
|
|
Traitors bit of a calm before the storm episode as expected, hoping tomorrow’s is a big finale or all the fun was last week. Murdering Zack over Jas was a mistake, but I’m not sure Jas has the ability to have people turn against Harry and I don’t think they’ll be able to get them both out anyway. Think this is gonna be a W for team Traitor, but we’ll see! E: dont know why Harry didn’t take the £7k, just justify it by saying it’s likely only 1-2K out of the final winners pockets as it’s likely to be shared and it’s impossible to say if they get the traitors out anyway. Dont think that decision would ever be used against someone. EL BROMANCE fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Jan 25, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 23:04
|
|
|
Yeah in hindsight taking the money and seeming guilty about it is actually the most faithful looking option, it’s a win win. I think he didn’t have enough time to think it through.
|
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 23:37
|
|
|
Traitors Lol well I was completely wrong about the murder, still not sure if getting rid of Zack was a good move from the traitors or not. I feel like it's pretty finely poised here. I cannot see that the faithful will go into tomorrow believing that there are no traitors left. So, in order to finish the game, the traitors are going to have to turn on each other and get one of them out. But of course without making it look like they are pushing it, lest they cast suspicion on themselves. It feels like they are both on a pretty even footing in that regard. Mollie is suspicious of Andrew, so Harry can back her up. Jaz is suspicious of Harry, so Andrew can back him up. It could well come down to a 2 vs 2 with Evie having the deciding vote. It's tight either way but I could see her voting for Harry. Actually, no, if Evie went out, I think we'd still be at a 2 vs 2. Then if no-one changes their votes, it's down to chance? Edit: Of course it all depends on whether Jaz actually ever shares any of his suspicions with someone. If he goes to Andrew & Evie about Harry before the round table, Andrew might realise he can get a 3 on 2 and go for the win. Lemon fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Jan 26, 2024 |
|
#
?
Jan 25, 2024 23:41
|
|
|
Traitors I know it's only a game, but some of the edits - Mollie's increasingly intense declarations of fellowship with Harry, Andrew sweetly and inaccurately declaring that he has a father-son relationship with the young man who patronisingly adjusts his cloak and calls him 'Baby Traitor' - are starting to make my skin crawl a bit. Again, if Harry's going to win they've really set him up as a nasty heel over the past few eps. It's odd.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 00:29
|
|
|
thehustler posted:Great to see them all investing in pseudoscience too. I mean, for gently caress's sake. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/bbc-remove-dragons-den-episode-31970145 quote:BBC remove Dragons' Den episode after concerns raised over 'ear seeds' pffaahhahahahaha
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 00:44
|
|
|
Traitors Onto the final episode then (which I'm going to miss and have to catch up on tomorrow. Avoiding spoilers will be a nightmare!). It does make me wonder how much of the game is dictated by the producers/Claudia - stopping the traitors from murdering last night was clearly designed so they couldn't go into the final episode on even numbers and therefore an advantage. I also wonder if they were pushed to recruit (particularly Ross) as otherwise it felt they were too strong. Paths to victory: Andrew is going to struggle. Mollie and Jaz have both previously voted for him and the Ross debacle has made him more suspicious. I can't see a scenario where they're in a final vote and either of them are happy to end the game with Andrew present. Harry needs to be in a final vote with Mollie and only Mollie. Jaz has the master theory which he's kept secret for a while now. That's going to come out at some point. If it's Harry and Mollie vs Jaz then Harry can certainly win (though I have this sneaking suspicion he'll either fall on his sword for Mollie, or offer to share the money with her). Mollie, Jaz, and Evie are in trouble. Evie is probably first out and that's all very silly because it came from a theory that is wrong. It's then going to come down to whether Andrew and Harry can work together and keep Mollie on their side to get rid of Jaz. I'm really enjoying Mollie's interviews where she talks about how much her and Harry have bonded, how she trusts him, how she feels comfortable getting to the final with him, then cutting to Harry who might as well be twirling an evil moustache.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 09:35
|
|
|
EvilHawk posted:Traitors yeah I’m sure they have a system that tells them exactly what needs to happen at every step based on how many traitors/faithful remain to ensure the game remains playable. As for whether they push for a recruitment, possible and we know that they put the mechanism in that kills an approached recruit if they decline the offer when it’s needed
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 09:38
|
|
|
I seriously doubt they push for who should be recruited/murdered. But yes they probably do have a spreadsheet saying roughly how many traitors/faithful they want there to be at each episode and have various levers they can pull to keep it at that balance.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 10:20
|
|
|
grobbo posted:RE how things will play out, one interesting thing is that they're really making Harry less and less likeable in the edit compared to, say, Andrew. The "I'm so smart" confessional feels like they're obviously setting him up for a fall, but I can't possibly see how that plays out. IN effect, that is exactly what they are looking for. They want to know what side you would prefer to be on and your suggested technique for how you could win. I found out about it by a post on a Board Game group on Discord. There are a surprising number of game shows that look for contestants through that group, I am guessing that they want to have people that have logical thinking skills and smarts. Several of my friends have been on game shows due to posts on that group. One of the casting Directors asked people to PM them if they have any questions. I did so and after a little back and forth they called me up. This was because I asked a question that apparently no-one had asked before "Can I lie about the mechanics of the game?". They didn't know the answer so had to go get clarification. What I found out during my discussion with them. As mentioned above, contestants are encouraged to lie about anything from the moment they are at the train station. From that point the game is on and you are expected to play it. The show is filmed over the course of an entire month, for season 3 they are filming throughout the whole of May. If you are eliminated at any point, you will go home straight away. Contestants are paid for the time that they remain in the competition, they get £100 a day, plus meals and transport covered. Each "day" of the show is actually 2 days. You do 3 sets of 2 days, then have Sunday off to do what you want. You can generally lie about anything you want, however they are looking to tell a good story. Apparently some contestants will go to the bathrooms where there are no cameras and have conversations there. It means that if a contestant later on talks about a discussion they had in the bathroom, they cannot use that later footage as they cannot show any footage from that initial conversation to tell the story. As such they say that all conversations should be made in filmable areas. With regards to myself, there are questions like "What is the biggest lie you ever told? Was it ever found out?" and "What is the biggest secret you know? How well have you kept that secret?" They are looking for people that are going to be outgoing and have a great screen presence. They want you to show that you are going to make good TV. Also, they insist you never refer to it as a show, its always "The Game".
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 10:50
|
|
|
Tsietisin posted:
Really curious about these points (you might not know the answer to any of this). I assume the "days" are filmed as the breakfast + task on day 1, and then reactions + round table on day 2? I saw somewhere else that people actually get told they've been murdered the morning of, I think they take everyone for "actual" breakfast in the hotel they stay at then leave in separate cars, the murdered people are taken elsewhere to be told so nobody else knows. Can't imagine how they keep the result a secret for ~8 months if people are being sent home in some sort of order. I assumed they'd be held back in some separate location until the end of the filming but maybe that'd be too hard to arrange. There was a moment last night where I think Harry whispered "they're hiding behind doors" which is quite funny. Don't think we've seen that but I love the idea of someone lurking in the shadows like a vampire.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 12:28
|
|
|
I haven’t watched any of this series of The Traitors, but last year one of my flatmates realised that you could intuit a lot of who’s who by keeping track of the people to enter breakfast last, which is usually a mini-cliffhanger for the viewers’ benefit. It might not have occurred to the first batch of contestants, but has that sort of thing popped up this series where contestants know how the show works and can find exploits?
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 14:33
|
|
|
If that's the case, I hope the show adapts to outwit them rather than sticking rigidly to a format and having the show hollowed out
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 15:03
|
|
|
Matinee posted:I haven’t watched any of this series of The Traitors, but last year one of my flatmates realised that you could intuit a lot of who’s who by keeping track of the people to enter breakfast last, which is usually a mini-cliffhanger for the viewers’ benefit. It might not have occurred to the first batch of contestants, but has that sort of thing popped up this series where contestants know how the show works and can find exploits? Certainly in this season, and probably the first season but I can't remember, the contestants know that the murder is between the last people to arrive for breakfast. They do also shake up the order so some of the traitors do enter last (usually, it has to be said, accompanied by someone else). The producers are reasonably good at making it seem random enough.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 15:24
|
|
|
EvilHawk posted:Certainly in this season, and probably the first season but I can't remember, the contestants know that the murder is between the last people to arrive for breakfast. They do also shake up the order so some of the traitors do enter last (usually, it has to be said, accompanied by someone else). The producers are reasonably good at making it seem random enough. I guess they are saying like for example, the last person who comes through the door can't be a traitor, because obviously the audience at home was waiting to see if was them or the other person who is going to be the murder victim. I can't remember if they have ever gone against this and ended with the traitor coming in last.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 15:33
|
|
|
Annabel Pee posted:I guess they are saying like for example, the last person who comes through the door can't be a traitor, because obviously the audience at home was waiting to see if was them or the other person who is going to be the murder victim. I can't remember if they have ever gone against this and ended with the traitor coming in last. That was exactly it, thank you. I couldn’t remember the exact logic of it earlier, but I remembered it seemed quite game-breaking once it was pointed out to me.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 15:37
|
|
|
They do mix it up a little bit, sometimes 2 people will come in the last batch maybe including a traitor, s1 definitely showed a pattern that should’ve been identified by the players. It should tell them at least who else might’ve been on the chopping block (they can also do clever editing to change the broadcast order mind).
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 15:40
|
|
|
Spoilers for an early episode: Ash was the last through the door in ep 3 or 4, I think. Pretty sure Harry or Andrew have been last or come in the last group as well.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 17:40
|
|
|
I saw an interview with someone last year who said he got told off by producers for saying that he 100% trusted someone else because they'd mentioned something to do with watching live TV that night that meant they couldn't have been a traitor. Apparently this sort of meta gaming isn't allowed understandably. I have a very high win rate at Blood On The Clocktower and there's part of me that really wants to apply for next season but I don't think I'm cut out for TV!
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 17:44
|
|
|
minema posted:I saw an interview with someone last year who said he got told off by producers for saying that he 100% trusted someone else because they'd mentioned something to do with watching live TV that night that meant they couldn't have been a traitor. Apparently this sort of meta gaming isn't allowed understandably. sidebar but is Blood on the Clocktower decent? from what I've read, I'd love the premise but I don't wanna get stuck being the bloody game master
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 18:37
|
|
|
Bozza posted:sidebar but is Blood on the Clocktower decent? from what I've read, I'd love the premise but I don't wanna get stuck being the bloody game master I’ve heard a lot of “I’ve played it once, and it was a lot of fun but never again” type comments. I’ll give it a go one day! I remember SU&SD really liking it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 18:58
|
|
|
Bozza posted:sidebar but is Blood on the Clocktower decent? from what I've read, I'd love the premise but I don't wanna get stuck being the bloody game master It's good, yes. Players staying in the game after death, and a single load bearing evil player are great changes to the Mafia format, before even considering the roles. Being the ST is more fun than running most social deduction games, as you're much more of an active participant rather than rules bot. But it's not the same kind of fun as playing. If you're in a city maybe see if a game store or club does a clocktower night sometime.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 20:04
|
|
|
there was one literally last Saturday night at the game shop near me. will keep an eye out
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 20:28
|
|
|
traitors JAZ WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO GET MOLLIE OF ALL PEOPLE TO FLIP ON HARRY
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 22:32
|
|
|
Lemon posted:traitors Because it was his only chance of them winning and he was SO CLOSE. SHE CHANGED THE NAME. SHE EVEN KNEW IT DEFINITELY WASN’T JAZ BECAUSE HE VOTED TO CONTINUE, SHE JUST THOUGHT IT WASN’T HARRY MORE.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 23:15
|
|
|
Annabel Pee posted:Because it was his only chance of them winning and he was SO CLOSE. SHE CHANGED THE NAME. SHE EVEN KNEW IT DEFINITELY WASN’T JAZ BECAUSE HE VOTED TO CONTINUE, SHE JUST THOUGHT IT WASN’T HARRY MORE. Yeah fair play it did almost work out for him, but I just couldn't get my head around why he didn't try to go to Evie and/or Andrew, but then I guess it turned out he was just too suspicious of everyone.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 23:17
|
|
|
Traitors: Poor Mollie, hope she's alright. Jaz got so close but stuffed it up by kicking Evie and Andrew out first. Meanwhile the spirit of Paul lurks in the thunderclouds above the castle, laughing and nodding.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 23:42
|
|
|
Volcano posted:Traitors: Poor Mollie, hope she's alright. Jaz got so close but stuffed it up by kicking Evie and Andrew out first. To be fair Jaz had every right to assume that when he voted to continue the banishments, Mollie could put two and two together to realize he wouldn't be doing that if he was a traitor.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2024 23:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 23:43 |
|
|
Traitors Jaz missed the most obvious loving play in the end game which is why would he call another vote if he was a traitor???? he would have won if they were both faithful and he knew it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 27, 2024 00:01
|
|