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It's a defect repair during the final assembly of the plane, not a maintenance repair on a plane that was in use. The plane left the factory brand new without the bolts.
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And with a process error that egregious, what else are they loving up is a very valid question.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 04:54 |
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Phanatic posted:The wheel fell off. That's not very common, I'd just like to make that point.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 05:22 |
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So take this all with a grain of salt, even with the scoop seeming to confirm it, but here's the supposed first-hand accounting of what happened that lead up to the plug not being installed properly: https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509962 That should take you to the first comment and then several comments below is the 2nd half from the same poster. throwawayboeingN704AL posted:January 16, 2024 throwawayboeingN704AL posted:January 16, 2024 Wombot fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Aeronautical Insanity: For an A&P mechanic at an airline, this would be called "federal crime".
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 07:43 |
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jfc what a poo poo rear end company and what a poo poo rear end airplane. in a perfect world the feds would ground the whole fleet-again-but that could potentially put whole rear end airlines out of business so that aint gonna happen.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 07:48 |
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Sounds like they are too big to fail. Time to bail them out.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 07:51 |
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Boeing had issues with the 737 (and covered them up) well before they merged with McDonnell Douglas.
ET_375 fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Glad my flight tomorrow is on an A220.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 08:00 |
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As someone quite familiar with CMES, SAT, Removals, and all that it sounds very plausible. There is definitely a major compartmentalization problem at Boeing that leads to huge difficulty when something is out of routine to its specific group. It gets very circular where you'll branch out with an issue only to be told by the next point of contact that it's not their responsibility/job/wheelhouse so they send you some where else only to get that same answer and eventually you end up with some later person telling you to talk to the first person you tried. Or you find a number under some focal contact list that turns out to be the disconnected line of someone who retired 3 years ago but no one knows who's even supposed be doing that job now.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 08:23 |
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quote:So, where are the bolts? Probably sitting forgotten and unlabeled (because there is no formal record number to label them with) on a work-in-progress bench, unless someone already tossed them in the scrap bin to tidy up. Would they reuse the bolts or replace with new ones? Obviously the presence of bolts that are unaccounted for in the work area is bad either way.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 08:31 |
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we live in a world where major world news outlets are covering a dudes posts. what a time to be alive
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 08:59 |
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I don’t think that this can happen, but it would be incredibly satisfying if it did.quote:Not Your Lawyer
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 09:27 |
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AzureSkys posted:As someone quite familiar with CMES, SAT, Removals, and all that it sounds very plausible. There is definitely a major compartmentalization problem at Boeing that leads to huge difficulty when something is out of routine to its specific group. Why weren’t the CMES actions required to be closed out and signed off by by the CogE before delivery? We can’t deliver with open items that haven’t been adjudicated and an action plan or explicit documentation that this item is either DNF and why or is being accepted as is by the customer. If an item is open and requires pulling apart an assembly to verify the work was done then you pull it apart and verify it. How was that plane delivered and how was it accepted when the missing bolts were documented? Murgos fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Platystemon posted:I don’t think that this can happen, but it would be incredibly satisfying if it did. I know a fair amount about the FCA for a non lawyer and this is likely a bad FCA case for multiple reasons. First, what payments did the government make to Boeing or what money did they lose due to fraud related to that specific payment? What payment would not have been made but for knowledge of this issue? In FCA cases frauds stem from payments made/discounts not received. Second, even if this was a govt contract the government already has knowledge of this issue most likely, preempting the relator (whistleblower). Third this is a rework issue on a commercially delivered plane. Even if the government was purchasing this model of plane, it’s not clear that it would be subject to the same issue. There’s prob other reasons I could think of but that seems like a post by someone who knows literally nothing about the FCA/Qui Tam cases unless the govt is buying 737 Max whatever’s that are subject to this issue. CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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CarForumPoster posted:I know a fair amount about the FCA for a non lawyer and this is likely a bad FCA case for multiple reasons. First, what payments did the government make to Boeing or what money did they lose due to fraud related to that specific payment? What payment would not have been made but for knowledge of this issue? In FCA cases frauds stem from payments made/discounts not received. Or an attempt to phish the identity of throwawayboeingN704AL
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 14:58 |
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joat mon posted:Or an attempt to phish the identity of throwawayboeingN704AL Hahaha yea this is far more likely
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joat mon posted:Or an attempt to phish the identity of throwawayboeingN704AL How do you do, fellow whistleblowers! -throwaway100northriverside
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Murgos posted:Why weren’t the CMES actions required to be closed out and signed off by by the CogE before delivery? Per the account, they were. The issue was that the only CMES action pertained to the rivet repair and the seal repair, not removing the bolts to open the door. So the jobs in SAT and CMES were both closed out, but nobody wrote a Removal order for the bolts so there was no corresponding job to restore the bolts. Officially, the door was never opened, even though opening the door was a physical requirement to replace the damaged seal. quote:How was that plane delivered and how was it accepted when the missing bolts were documented? The missing bolts weren't documented, not directly.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 15:51 |
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Phanatic posted:Per the account, they were. The issue was that the only CMES action pertained to the rivet repair and the seal repair, not removing the bolts to open the door. So the jobs in SAT and CMES were both closed out, but nobody wrote a Removal order for the bolts so there was no corresponding job to restore the bolts. Officially, the door was never opened, even though opening the door was a physical requirement to replace the damaged seal. If only the Digital Thread was finished, it would have caught those bolts!
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 16:48 |
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So guys, I found something relevant for today's news: An English language pamphlet by Zeppelin titled "Zeppelin voyages made easy" https://digital.hagley.org/20120503_AirshipVoyages?solr_nav[id]=1aacd57d9aa6ccf701a3&solr_nav[page]=5&solr_nav[offset]=4#page/1/mode/2up
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GI Joe jobs posted:If only the Digital Thread was finished, it would have caught those bolts! Make NFTs of the bolts and destroy the originals.
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# ? Jan 25, 2024 22:49 |
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Non Findable Tethers
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I wonder what sequence of events resulted in this being the best idea: https://twitter.com/flyinghighryan/status/1751016662650736881?s=46 I guess they couldn’t do it VFR too for the full JANET experience.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 04:31 |
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WTF how was it not cheaper and faster to fly someone qualified down there to do the inspection? Were the Mexicans shaking them down bad on fees or what?
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 04:42 |
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The inspection does involve taking out a few rows of seats and they’d probably need one of those big fancy tents if there isn’t an appropriate hangar in Cancun to use. There has to be some story here ending in “gently caress it”
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 05:16 |
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hobbesmaster posted:I wonder what sequence of events resulted in this being the best idea: i thought posting assassination coordinates was illegal on X: The Everything App
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hobbesmaster posted:The inspection does involve taking out a few rows of seats and they’d probably need one of those big fancy tents if there isn’t an appropriate hangar in Cancun to use. Cancun’s airport is pretty bare bones, so doing this bullshit to Houston was probably the best idea.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 06:06 |
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“Airplane performing touch and gos on reservoir ice in Utah took a dip through the ice. Both men walked away wet and cold.”
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 06:13 |
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That's more of a slam and don't go.
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Cojawfee posted:That's more of a slam and don't go. Slam and sink
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Platystemon posted:
It's quite clearly a slam dunk.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 06:33 |
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Humphreys posted:It's quite clearly a slam dunk.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 07:02 |
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hobbesmaster posted:There has to be some story here ending in “gently caress it” good thread title imo
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 07:15 |
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Cojawfee posted:That's more of a slam and don't go. Too much touch, not enough go.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 12:08 |
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Too much touch, not enough go. It’s a 172, so ya.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 13:38 |
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those footprints tell a story. "oh gently caress oh gently caress oh gently caress"
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 14:28 |
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I'm used to seeing pickup trucks go through trying to go ice fishing one last time. This is new.Cactus Ghost posted:those footprints tell a story. "oh gently caress oh gently caress oh gently caress"
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hobbesmaster posted:The inspection does involve taking out a few rows of seats and they’d probably need one of those big fancy tents if there isn’t an appropriate hangar in Cancun to use. i once ferried a 737-800 from cancun to houston with the landing gear down because the company didnt want to mess with trying to do maintenance in a foreign country. it was very much a "gently caress it" situation because a 737 flying at 10,000 feet at 250 knots with the gear down burns a shitload of gas.
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