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tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

MightyBigMinus posted:

https://atlas.eia.gov/datasets/eia::crude-oil-pipelines/explore


all this govenors revolt texas poo poo had me curious what the logistical impact of a true conflict would be.

a civil war between the feds and texas would be hilariously parallel to russia/ukraine in the sense that the us desperately needs texas's pipelines to supply its own either-coast consumers. an interruption in that flow would be like a blockage in your aorta.

stands to reason the plutocrats simply cant/wont let it happen. or it would be proof that their ability to control things has cracked (kinda like the Rs weren't able to stop trump).



hey i'm balkin' here

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Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

Paradoxish posted:

Almost all US balkanization fantasies are just fantasies up until the point where the federal government starts failing in really obvious ways, like losing control of the military and just suffering routine coup attempts. No state will ever attempt to break away again until that point because the military would be used to end that state's government with extreme prejudice. The civil war was already completely one-sided, but something like a Texas revolt wouldn't even be remembered as a war or conflict. It'd just be over immediately.

yeah the feds are just gonna go along with whatever Texas wants to do anyways

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
good to know that humans are spending their last days making up things to get mad at

Professor Beetus
Apr 12, 2007

They can fight us
But they'll never Beetus
Same as it ever was

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

SniperWoreConverse posted:

is it the same process as this

wiki posted:

In planetary science, the Komabayashi–Ingersoll limit represents the maximum solar flux a planet can handle without a runaway greenhouse effect setting in.[1][2][3]

For planets with temperature-dependent sources of greenhouse gases such as liquid water and optically thin atmospheres the outgoing longwave radiation curve (which indicates how fast energy can be radiated away by the planet) flattens at high temperatures, reaching a horizontal asymptote – the Komabayashi–Ingersoll limit itself. Since the equilibrium temperature is the intersection of this curve and a horizontal line representing solar flux, for fluxes above this point the planet heats up indefinitely.[4] Kasting estimated the limit for Earth to be 320 watts per square meter.[5]

The limit is relevant for estimating the inner edge of the circumstellar habitable zone. However, the limit also depends on the surface gravity of the planet, making heavy worlds somewhat more resistant to the runaway effect.[3]

once you slam into this limit poo poo hits the fan and it is potentially irreversible. even if the megadome is launched to the moon you don't ride this one out

This number doesn’t make sense. The estimated maximum solar flux at the Earth before a runaway greenhouse effect is supposedly 320 W/m2 but the very real solar flux at Earth’s orbit right now is about 1300 W/m2. At the earth’s surface it’s about 1000 W/m2.

I think the Wikipedia article is quoting the wrong number. The source for that 320 figure is a paper from 1988, in the abstract it says the value is 1.4 times the present Earth value, which would be about 1820 W/m2.

But regardless, this is not a number we are influencing through our Great Work here on Earth. This is energy from the sun, and (so far) we haven’t figured out a way to affect the radiative output of the sun itself. Eventually that number will go up but that’s hundreds of millions (a billion?) of years from now, as the sun expands on its way to eventually swallow the Earth entirely.

Human efforts to create Venus 2 are limited to changes on the other side of that energy balance ie the Earth’s atmosphere. It makes more sense to talk about this limit in terms of the average surface temperature of the Earth, not the incident solar flux.

bawfuls has issued a correction as of 19:05 on Jan 27, 2024

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

i am still planting trees. at this point, why not?

my town has had a massive increase in feral cat numbers. people seem to have stopped remotely giving a gently caress. they're everywhere. all the birds are gone. the silver lining is that all the rabbits are gone too, so at least the trees aren't getting devoured as soon as i put them in the ground.

an egg has issued a correction as of 18:55 on Jan 27, 2024

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


for every tree you plant, i'll eat 3

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

blatman posted:

for every tree you plant, i'll eat 3
some of them are kurrajongs, which are basically a giant carrot. they even taste like carrot.

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

sometimes i try to imagine what australia is going to look like in a hundred years, ecologically speaking, and i just can't. there is no stopping the cats and they kill loving everything. trying to deal with them means dealing with the cat people and you do not want to run afoul of the cat people

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

blatman posted:

for every tree you plant, i'll smoke 3

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

an egg posted:

sometimes i try to imagine what australia is going to look like in a hundred years, ecologically speaking, and i just can't. there is no stopping the cats and they kill loving everything. trying to deal with them means dealing with the cat people and you do not want to run afoul of the cat people



Good movie, actually. And sort of related!

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

bawfuls posted:

But regardless, this is not a number we are influencing through our Great Work here on Earth. This is energy from the sun, and (so far) we haven’t figured out a way to affect the radiative output of the sun itself.

Science is still in its infancy...

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

an egg posted:

sometimes i try to imagine what australia is going to look like in a hundred years, ecologically speaking, and i just can't. there is no stopping the cats and they kill loving everything. trying to deal with them means dealing with the cat people and you do not want to run afoul of the cat people

An arid landscape dominated by wild dogs, cats, rabbits, emus, camels- there will be nothing to suggest even the historical existence of the marsupial

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

MightyBigMinus posted:

https://atlas.eia.gov/datasets/eia::crude-oil-pipelines/explore


all this govenors revolt texas poo poo had me curious what the logistical impact of a true conflict would be.

a civil war between the feds and texas would be hilariously parallel to russia/ukraine in the sense that the us desperately needs texas's pipelines to supply its own either-coast consumers. an interruption in that flow would be like a blockage in your aorta.

stands to reason the plutocrats simply cant/wont let it happen. or it would be proof that their ability to control things has cracked (kinda like the Rs weren't able to stop trump).



That's crude oil flowing from fields to refineries and shipping, not refined products flowing to consumers.

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


MightyBigMinus posted:

https://atlas.eia.gov/datasets/eia::crude-oil-pipelines/explore


all this govenors revolt texas poo poo had me curious what the logistical impact of a true conflict would be.

a civil war between the feds and texas would be hilariously parallel to russia/ukraine in the sense that the us desperately needs texas's pipelines to supply its own either-coast consumers. an interruption in that flow would be like a blockage in your aorta.

stands to reason the plutocrats simply cant/wont let it happen. or it would be proof that their ability to control things has cracked (kinda like the Rs weren't able to stop trump).



I know that this is NIMBY adjacent posting but that line that goes through the Mackinaw Straight is especially awful. When it spills, because all oil pipelines eventually do, it's going to cause immense damage to the great lakes ecosystem.

Also I still lmao that when there was lobbying to remove that pipeline back in like 2018 I was listening to the local country music station here, and they had a 6:00 am news blurb that spent like 2 months referring to the pipelines location as the Mackinaw Straight, but then switched to calling it the "straight connecting Lake Michigan and Lake Huron"

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

TeenageArchipelago posted:

I know that this is NIMBY adjacent posting but that line that goes through the Mackinaw Straight is especially awful. When it spills, because all oil pipelines eventually do, it's going to cause immense damage to the great lakes ecosystem.

Also I still lmao that when there was lobbying to remove that pipeline back in like 2018 I was listening to the local country music station here, and they had a 6:00 am news blurb that spent like 2 months referring to the pipelines location as the Mackinaw Straight, but then switched to calling it the "straight connecting Lake Michigan and Lake Huron"

I don't think it's NIMBY if the stuff just shouldn't exist at all, anywhere.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The Oldest Man posted:

That's crude oil flowing from fields to refineries and shipping, not refined products flowing to consumers.
so? Cutting of supply to refineries would be a big deal if Texas and friends were somehow able to pull it off

I remain skeptical of any of these politicians ability to actually do this tho

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

bawfuls posted:

so? Cutting of supply to refineries would be a big deal if Texas and friends were somehow able to pull it off

I remain skeptical of any of these politicians ability to actually do this tho

Texas is a net crude importer and refined products exporter isn't it? Cutting off the crude supply into the state would starve its refining capacity. That would also totally destabilize the national energy infrastructure as a whole but whether that hurts Texas less than everybody else is probably going to be a wash.

Puppy Burner
Sep 9, 2011

an egg posted:

sometimes i try to imagine what australia is going to look like in a hundred years, ecologically speaking, and i just can't. there is no stopping the cats and they kill loving everything. trying to deal with them means dealing with the cat people and you do not want to run afoul of the cat people

Google "Sahara desert"

toggle
Nov 7, 2005

an egg posted:

sometimes i try to imagine what australia is going to look like in a hundred years, ecologically speaking, and i just can't. there is no stopping the cats and they kill loving everything. trying to deal with them means dealing with the cat people and you do not want to run afoul of the cat people

the noisy miner bird will become the dominant bird species when all others die off

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

used to see stray cats around here but not as much anymore the coyotes are doing okay though

https://baysoundings.com/coyotes-in-florida-are-here-to-stay/

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/01/15/theres-a-new-hairy-nuisance-in-seminole-county-coyotes/

uh oh an animal has found a way to be successful what a nuisance cant you be more like those endangered species we love those guys

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
Texas would need to nationalize their entire energy industry infrastructure to prevent all that refining capacity from just being like "lol gently caress off" thus becoming the thing they hate the most: socialists

I'd also be doubtful of their ability to actually do that for even a few full days short of physically destroying the infrastructure

Charlatan Eschaton
Feb 23, 2018

an egg posted:

some of them are kurrajongs, which are basically a giant carrot. they even taste like carrot.

drat that sounds cool i gotta learn more about what native food trees are good around here

got first everglades tomatoes comin on cant wait for animals to start eating them and distributing seeds

an egg
Nov 17, 2021

Dokapon Findom posted:

An arid landscape dominated by wild dogs, cats, rabbits, emus, camels- there will be nothing to suggest even the historical existence of the marsupial
as long as we still have emus :unsmith:

a lot of people don't know this, but emus are quite gentle and curious creatures. ostriches and cassowaries are assholes, but emus are a lot more like domestic chickens in personality. obviously you shouldn't just go up and pet a wild one, but they can make quite good pets when raised from hatch

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.


hope it sinks

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Its cool how the biggest petridishes are also the worst polluters. 2 for 1 special

Scarabrae
Oct 7, 2002

Microplastics posted:



hope it sinks

give ohio class attack subs to greenpeace

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Scarabrae posted:

give ohio class attack subs to greenpeace

the ohio class isnt an attack sub >:[

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
no but they can probably do more good with one than just sinking a cruise ship or two

Horseshoe theory
Mar 7, 2005

Microplastics posted:



hope it sinks

Is it going to pass by Yemen...? :thunk:

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Microplastics posted:

(..)
hope it sinks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSkUzjqVpY

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


fav part of this is that they flew to mexico to get seven seconds of soundbites from random people not otherwise identified

from germany?

Communist Cop
Jun 29, 2023
I'm gonna sink that cruise ship

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Yemen take my strength

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

very important to do this documentary about cruise ship sustainability being fake, and its also very important we go in person to interview a couple random people and a tourist trap souvenir shop owner in a tropical resort destination in mexico

yeah probably need at least a four person crew for this

six days

OIL PANIC
Dec 22, 2022

CAUTIONS
...
4. ... (If the battery is exhausted, the display of the liquid crystal will become vague and difficult to look at.)
...
7. Do not use volatile oils such as thinner or benzine and alcohol for wiping.
:shh: the interviews were performed by a freelance journalist. only carbon cost was shipping the mic filter

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

OIL PANIC posted:

:shh: the interviews were performed by a freelance journalist. only carbon cost was shipping the mic filter

I need to investigate this. I shall need a private jet and a fortnight.

No, that's not the right fortnight.

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.
A cruise ship seems like hell to me, I don't know why anyone would go on one. All those fun amenities are packed to the gills with the other seven thousand people on board

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Dokapon Findom posted:

A cruise ship seems like hell to me, I don't know why anyone would go on one. All those fun amenities are packed to the gills with the other seven thousand people on board

It's an efficient way to reduce your immune debt.

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mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Charlatan Eschaton posted:

used to see stray cats around here but not as much anymore the coyotes are doing okay though

https://baysoundings.com/coyotes-in-florida-are-here-to-stay/

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/2024/01/15/theres-a-new-hairy-nuisance-in-seminole-county-coyotes/

uh oh an animal has found a way to be successful what a nuisance cant you be more like those endangered species we love those guys

introduce coyotes to australia that should fix it

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