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Ferdinand the Bull
Jul 30, 2006

I would just live right across the river where it is green. Bing bong so simple

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Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:




Full size: https://www.deviantart.com/costamiri/art/Transit-diagram-of-regional-rail-in-Germany-2024-1006737243

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011



i knew that they had porn on deviantart but didn't realise how sexy it could be

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
There are even museum train lines on it! De Lütt Kaffeebrenner is on the map! It's complete madness.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010

Neat map. Would love if they had a version of that map which highlights all of the lines that every day will randomly cancel a bunch of trains, those which stop 2 hours on the tracks on a supposed-to-be-60 minute trip, etc. Or maybe that is just implied because it affects every line? I know for sure the train line through the Mittelrhein is dogshit. DB really needs to hire some Spanish or Italian managers that can show them how to run an intercity train network.

E: lol, just checked how late they are right now in that area at this moment and literally every train but one for the next two hours is cancelled with horrific bus connections.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Jan 26, 2024

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
Most of the delays are caused by long-distance train delays cascading through the network, because long-distance rail is massively overcrowded.

Replacing management won't do poo poo. There simply needs to be more rail investment.

distortion park
Apr 25, 2011


Saladman posted:

Neat map. Would love if they had a version of that map which highlights all of the lines that every day will randomly cancel a bunch of trains, those which stop 2 hours on the tracks on a supposed-to-be-60 minute trip, etc. Or maybe that is just implied because it affects every line? I know for sure the train line through the Mittelrhein is dogshit. DB really needs to hire some Spanish or Italian managers that can show them how to run an intercity train network.

E: lol, just checked how late they are right now in that area at this moment and literally every train but one for the next two hours is cancelled with horrific bus connections.

I think there's a strike at the moment and it's all hosed (I know it always seems like there is but apparently it's especially hosed at the moment)

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Antigravitas posted:

Most of the delays are caused by long-distance train delays cascading through the network, because long-distance rail is massively overcrowded.

Replacing management won't do poo poo. There simply needs to be more rail investment.

yep

DTurtle
Apr 10, 2011


Saladman posted:

E: lol, just checked how late they are right now in that area at this moment and literally every train but one for the next two hours is cancelled with horrific bus connections.
There’s a six day strike from last Wednesday until Monday night at the moment.

For once incompetence isn’t directly to blame.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS


EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad

Want to see the whole map to see if Cuba is the only country that refuses to use the standard stop sign design.

Saladman
Jan 12, 2010
You only posted half the global stopsign image... here's the other half:



Some errors on it for the colors, like Iran/Afghanistan should be "other", and probably should have strips for places like Tunisia that have both stop and qif.

Looks like Cuba, Pakistan, and to a lesser extent PNG and Japan are the only countries that went all bizarre on it. I did a self-drive roadtrip around Cuba a few years ago, would have maybe been useful to have known what that sign meant, lol. My Spanish is OK but I absolutely would not have recognized what that sign meant.

Saladman fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Jan 27, 2024

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Interesting Cuba - Pakistani axis there

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Saladman posted:

Looks like Cuba, Pakistan, and to a lesser extent PNG and Japan are the only countries that went all bizarre on it. I did a self-drive roadtrip around Cuba a few years ago, would have maybe been useful to have known what that sign meant, lol. My Spanish is OK but I absolutely would not have recognized what that sign meant.

Japan’s is a point‐down equilateral triable with “止まれ” on it.

Israel’s is a red octagon with a raised hand.


Gilead’s stop signs, in The Handmaid’s Tale, are red “hexagons”. I don’t know why they’re not octagons. Maybe they stole them from Bhutan.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jan 27, 2024

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Cuba will never stop, only yield.

Huh, I would've thought if Japan's stop signs were the rare non-hexagon, I would've heard about it. Papa New Guinea makes sense to be something I never heard of.

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"At the end of the day
We are all human beings
My father once told me that
The world has no borders"

3ORCs is a proper warning.
Stop or three orcs will beat you.

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

would love to know more about the ALTO/PARE spanish split

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Vanuatu and Madagascar have been known to use circular stop signs.





Maybe they got it from Tonga.

Platystemon fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 27, 2024

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

EasilyConfused posted:

Want to see the whole map to see if Cuba is the only country that refuses to use the standard stop sign design.

Seems like not but it does make the Bay of Pigs appear like a good idea in retrospect

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The U.S. would have invaded Finland in the sixties if it hated nonstandard stop signs that much.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Badger of Basra posted:

would love to know more about the ALTO/PARE spanish split

Tldr: Mercosul is my bet

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Platystemon posted:

The U.S. would have invaded Finland in the sixties if it hated nonstandard stop signs that much.



That was the soviet's fault

Groda
Mar 17, 2005

Hair Elf

Platystemon posted:

The U.S. would have invaded Finland in the sixties if it hated nonstandard stop signs that much.



The US never signed on the 1968 treaty for driving licenses and signage, but this doesn't look like the 1949 system either.


Is this the 1926 traffic rules' signage?

EasilyConfused
Nov 21, 2009


one strong toad
Per wikipedia, even the 1968 convention allows the circular sign with a triangle inside.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_sign

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Quebec being more French than the French, as standard.

Jehde
Apr 21, 2010

I bet the parisians call it le stopsign or something. Frauds.

Carbon dioxide
Oct 9, 2012

Map doesn't go into the different use cases for stop signs:

America: just put them all around intersections everywhere, so that people don't really stop for them anymore.
Europe: Mainly base intersections around yield vs priority road setups for smoother traffic flow, only use stop signs for intersections that are so dangerous a normal yield sign wouldn't suffice, and then only for the directions that actually have to yield, so that people take them incredibly seriously and you need maybe 2 stop signs in an entire city.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Platystemon posted:

The U.S. would have invaded Finland in the sixties if it hated nonstandard stop signs that much.



and, hell, should have

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
The US is about 3 more traffic fatalities per 100k than Europe. Bad, but otoh they both are s-tier compared to the globe. The country I’m in is Mad Max by comparison with more than double the US rate and still ten less than the death trap that is Thailand.

The worst is Liberia.

Threadkiller Dog
Jun 9, 2010
I think I've met about 3 people who have been maimed or badly hurt in moped accidents in Thailand. I don't know anyone who has been seriously hurt in traffic in countries that are not Thailand. As a swede.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb


Carbon dioxide posted:

Map doesn't go into the different use cases for stop signs:

America: just put them all around intersections everywhere, so that people don't really stop for them anymore.
Europe: Mainly base intersections around yield vs priority road setups for smoother traffic flow, only use stop signs for intersections that are so dangerous a normal yield sign wouldn't suffice, and then only for the directions that actually have to yield, so that people take them incredibly seriously and you need maybe 2 stop signs in an entire city.

You’re not wrong but Europe still has commuter suburbs built by private developers with awful road layouts, so sign density isn’t actually directly correlated with population density

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

The US is about 3 more traffic fatalities per 100k than Europe. Bad, but otoh they both are s-tier compared to the globe. The country I’m in is Mad Max by comparison with more than double the US rate and still ten less than the death trap that is Thailand.

The worst is Liberia.

The US is 12.9 fatalities per 100k. Thats far more than 3 above developed Europe. Its more like 300-600% in reality. ie in Europe its:

Norway 2
Sweden 2.2
Ireland 2.9
UK 2.9
Germany 3.7
Spain 3.9

etc

Thats a pretty horrifying difference, and one largely avoidable if the US actually had regulations on truck size, enforced drunk driving more and such.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

In America you can't even go to the store without driving four hours down the 800 Lane superhighway because it's illegal to walk and packs of mutant cyborgs roam the few existent footpaths. Which is why everyone drives monster trucks with greased up tyres to keep the muties from climbing into your car and jacking it on your seats spilling their corrosive mutant jism everywhere which is a huge bother to clean.

Also you can drink a bunch beers and still be allowed to drive while in Europe if you even look at a beer before driving it counts as drunk driving and gets you sentenced to a week in the pillory.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Fatalities have gone dramatically up across the US since 2020. All while distracted driving has gone down.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Any statistics that aren't adjusted to per drivers and not per population are meaningless as to the nature of street design because Euros drive way less and instead walk around in the puddles of ejaculate they spew over having a fancier train system.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

SlothfulCobra posted:

Any statistics that aren't adjusted to per drivers and not per population are meaningless as to the nature of street design because Euros drive way less and instead walk around in the puddles of ejaculate they spew over having a fancier train system.
Depends on what you're measuring I suppose. Per capita makes total sense if you're evaluating the overall transporation infrastructure IMO.

If you want actual road and vehicle safety, I'd use passenger-km/mile.

E: I haven't seen a direct comparison of safety but the average distance traveled is around 10-12k/year (2021 was affected by covid) so you can do the math

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Jan 28, 2024

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Wikipedia has stats per pop, per kilometers driven and per vehicle. The wildest is Somalia with 6500 fatalities per 100,000 vehicles :allbuttons: which I assume is due to less than perfect registration rates of vehicles in said country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

America doesn't do particularly well compared to Western Europe even after switching to deaths per kilometers, but yeah, it does improve its standing in relative terms quite a bit.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


Minenfeld! posted:

Fatalities have gone dramatically up across the US since 2020. All while distracted driving has gone down.

Nobody was on the road in 2020 how is it compared to fatalities in 2019 when people who weren’t working for DoorDash were actually driving

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



It's not the only--or even most important--data point for US policy though. In pursuit of our vision zero goals, we count all fatalities and particularly focus on pedestrians and cyclists.

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Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Nobody was on the road in 2020 how is it compared to fatalities in 2019 when people who weren’t working for DoorDash were actually driving

It's dramatically up: https://www.ctinsider.com/news/article/CT-2022-fatal-crashes-pedestrians-wrong-way-driver-17663854.php

Edit: our region saw like a 300% increase in fatalities. This is mirrored nationwide. I've only been tangentially involved in the data analysis on this topic though. I've provided speed and congestion data for our engineers.

Minenfeld! fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jan 28, 2024

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