The US will lose WW3

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Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

The Oldest Man posted:

Retvrn to elan focused military doctrine

Good luck Zoomers,

"...commanders had found this to be an effective means of dealing with the often commented upon tendency of troops to fight ferociously in the initial efforts only to have their spirits dampened if the engagement became prolonged." really seems to sum up where we're at in the Rules Based International Order right now, so I'm increasingly open to the possibility that they would have ordered (western) NATO troops to carry out the same sort of operation they prodded the Ukrainians into last year.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:19 on Jan 28, 2024

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

actual Troops killed in Jordan is all over the mainstream news

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:31

Scarabrae: Oct 7, 2002

the main issue with Eve online is that its a lovely game

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:31

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

C&C Generals depicted the A10 as primarily using missiles.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:32

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Mandel Brotset posted:

actual Troops killed in Jordan is all over the mainstream news

Well, what were they doing there?

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

Frosted Flake posted:

Well, what were they doing there?

they were losing ww3, op

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:34

Butter Activities: May 4, 2018

Frosted Flake posted:

Well, what were they doing there?

Blowing up mostly

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tatankatonk: Nov 4, 2011; Pitching is the art of instilling fear.

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

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Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

Frosted Flake posted:

Well, what were they doing there?

Assisting a genocide

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:37

TeenageArchipelago: Jul 23, 2013

tatankatonk posted:

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

It takes some time to decide that the brain damage is all preexisting

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:41

Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

tatankatonk posted:

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

they follow the concussion protocol put in place by the us military�s political wing, the nfl

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:43

sum: Nov 15, 2010

tatankatonk posted:

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

I've always assumed that it's like the cop thing of trying to claim you were disabled in the line of duty and get discharged early with a pension.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:43

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

tatankatonk posted:

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

Without going into the whole thing, it's because military medicine, and sports medicine for that matter, barely had diagnostic criteria and treatment protocols for TBI. It's vague enough to be a catch all for both cognitive impairment ranging from "bell rung" to "comatose", and everything in between, behavioural changes from being a bit dopey or feeling fatigued to impulsive and violent, and more physical symptoms than I can count. You have guys that need a decade of physio to learn how to walk and talk again, and you have guys that are a bit dazed for a day or two.

This makes TBI very useful as a proxy for what used to be called Shell Shock. We have mostly been told a pat story about Shell Shock leading to Battle Fatigue, leading to PTSD and OSI, but the reality is that Shell Shock was understood even in the Great War to be an extremely vague and wide-ranging category that let the military medical system make sense of soldiers they didn't know what to do with and didn't know how to treat. What I mean by that is that both TBI and Shell Shock could be physical, could be psychological, could be a combination, but it allowed the military to stick a label on guys who had been shelled/IED'd and were clearly injured as a result.

The other thing about the vagaries of it, is that fighting for the full pension and disability award is very difficult, because the questionnaire is like "can you feed yourself?" and if you can, well, it's clearly not as severe as 100% impairing for that condition. By comparison, an amputee is an amputee, you have to award the full amount for that limb. Someone with a GSW to an extremity will have a measurable loss of strength and mobility, and that translates into a pension amount too. Well, you can send someone to a neurologist and neuropsychologist, and physio and OT, but you're never going to get a report that says "You impaired this troop by this much" that you have to turn into an injury award.

At the same time, it makes it incredibly easy to discharge someone too. Well, concussions are cumulative, and obviously we can't take any future risks, so obviously we'll have to let you go. You're only 2% disabled, so don't expect a big payout, but the risk of a future injury being worse is too great. We don't have to pay for injuries you might have in the future though, son. Good luck.

So, administratively, yes incidence of TBI rocketed upwards after 2001, due to soldier protection, the nature of the IED threat etc. but also because it is a condition that perfectly fits into how military medicine works administratively. They can't write "there's something wrong but we don't know what", and they can't say Shell Shock, so this is the catch-all for non-specific wounds in the 21st century.

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

tatankatonk posted:

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

getting badly concussed is an almost unavoidable effect of being the target of an artillery or missile barrage.

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Research by Johns Hopkins University in 2015 found that the brain tissue of combat veterans who had been exposed to improvised explosive devices exhibited a pattern of injury in the areas responsible for decision making, memory, and reasoning. This evidence has led the researchers to conclude that shell shock may not only be a psychological disorder, since the symptoms exhibited by affected individuals from the First World War are very similar to these injuries.[12] Additional research from Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences on the brains of deceased armed forces service members found that "all five cases with chronic blast exposure showed prominent astroglial scarring that involved the subpial glial plate, penetrating cortical blood vessels, gray�white matter junctions, and structures lining the ventricles; all cases of acute blast exposure showed early astroglial scarring in the same brain regions."[13] Immense pressure changes are involved in shell shock. Even mild changes in air pressure from weather have been linked to changes in behavior.[14]

There is also evidence to suggest that the type of warfare faced by soldiers would affect the probability of shell-shock symptoms developing. First-hand reports from medical doctors at the time note that rates of such conditions decreased once the war was mobilized again during the 1918 German offensive, following the 1916�1917 period where the highest rates of shell shock can be found. This could suggest that it was trench warfare, and the experience of siege warfare specifically, that led to the development of these symptoms.[15]

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Kitfox88: Aug 21, 2007; Anybody lose their glasses?

The Oldest Man posted:

getting badly concussed is an almost unavoidable effect of being the target of an artillery or missile barrage.

or being the one conducting that artillery barrage, at least for the us army

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FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022

tatankatonk posted:

whats with all the TBI diagnoses whenever US troops get missiled? is it just an easy catch-all category? an admin thing where they'll slowly release the actual injury later? an actual effect of the specific weapon?

it can't be shielded without having lots of mass or distance between you and the pressure front of the shockwave
big pressure differential will cause fluid cavitation in soft tissue n it makes all the lil capillaries in your brain tissue explode forever

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Kitfox88 posted:

or being the one conducting that artillery barrage, at least for the us army

what they dont say about all these TBIs is that theyre from the base artillery detachment returning fire

# ? Jan 28, 2024 18:57

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

a dji phantom with a firecracker goes off at the base's fence line

fifty guys run out and fire off a thousand rounds of red bag 155mm, every one of them goes home a month later with a tbi

five hundred miles away, a pair of alert f35s scramble from al-asad airbase, both of the pilots go home a month later due to oxygen starvation-induced brain damage

a platoon of big beard and oakley operator qrf guys pile into v22s, all dead during a crash shortly after take off

drat you iran

# ? Jan 28, 2024 19:02

Scarabrae: Oct 7, 2002

navy dropped their requirement for a high school diploma to enlist!

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:

a dji phantom with a firecracker goes off at the base's fence line

fifty guys run out and fire off a thousand rounds of red bag 155mm, every one of them goes home a month later with a tbi

five hundred miles away, a pair of alert f35s scramble from al-asad airbase, both of the pilots go home a month later due to oxygen starvation-induced brain damage

a platoon of big beard and oakley operator qrf guys pile into v22s, all dead during a crash shortly after take off

drat you iran

# ? Jan 28, 2024 19:06

Egg Moron: Jul 21, 2003; the dreams of the delighting void

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Nice graphics. I didn't know a sequel was in the works 👍

sound on
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_s7y8yyOrtK1z0lvw3_720.mp4

ngl, loved it for sure, but feeling bad for the people of tiajuana at the end there, what did they do to anybody?

# ? Jan 28, 2024 19:58

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Nice graphics. I didn't know a sequel was in the works 👍

sound on
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_s7y8yyOrtK1z0lvw3_720.mp4

do not show this to the bird thread

# ? Jan 28, 2024 20:00

sullat: Jan 9, 2012

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Nice graphics. I didn't know a sequel was in the works 👍

sound on
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_s7y8yyOrtK1z0lvw3_720.mp4

drat those tri-solarians!

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uber_stoat: Jan 21, 2001; Pillbug

fix your bayonets and face towards Tehran. the second project for a new american century is about to begin.

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

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During Operation Desert Storm in 1991, artillery crews fired an average of 70 rounds during the entire six-week campaign, said John Grenier, a historian at the Army�s Field Artillery School. During the initial months of the invasion of Iraq in 2003, crews fired an average of 260 rounds. In Syria, each gun in Alpha battery shot more than 1,100 rounds in two months � most of them using high-powered charges that produce the strongest shock waves. Some guns in Fox battery, which replaced Alpha, fired about 10,000 rounds each.

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Under the relentless tempo, Marines would wake up feeling hung over and stagger to the guns like zombies. Their sense of taste changed. Some threw up. Crews grew irritable and fights broke out.

The symptoms were telltale signs of concussion, but also what anyone might feel after a string of stressful 20-hour workdays in the desert, sleeping in foxholes and eating rations from plastic pouches. Medics came around daily to check on the crews but never intervened. And Marines trained to endure didn�t complain.

A 20-year-old Marine from Missouri named Brandon Mooney was doing maintenance on his gun when he began to realize that he could no longer figure out how to put the pieces back together.

�It got to a point where you knew the firing was affecting you, but what could you do? Refuse to do the mission?� he said in an interview.

When he returned home, screening tests said he was fine, but he was tormented by anxiety, sleep paralysis and hallucinations of a black demon standing over his bed.

After he left the Marine Corps, he became depressed and suicidal. He went to a veterans� hospital for help. Though he never experienced anything he considered particularly traumatic in Syria, his nightmares and anxiety were diagnosed as P.T.S.D.

�From what, though?� he said in the interview. �I could never understand it.�

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In 2016, while the U.S. military was exposing gun crews in Iraq and Syria to repeated artillery blasts, a research team was doing something similar to lab mice at the University of Missouri.

In a series of tests, the team placed mice a few feet from a lump of C4 explosive that was sized to produce a blast just above the military�s official safety level.

After the blast, the mice were returned to their cages and started scampering around, apparently unaffected.

�We were very disappointed � we didn�t see anything abnormal,� said Dr. Zezong Gu, who led the research.

But the picture changed over the next few days. Mice instinctively build nests, and researchers use the quality of their nests as a benchmark of well-being. The blasted mice built only ramshackle nests, often leaving them unfinished.

In later experiments, blasted mice were put through mazes. They made more wrong turns than healthy mice, and sometimes froze, refusing to explore the mazes at all.

The team then dissected the animals� brains. At first they found almost no damage.

�Everything looked fine until we looked at a nano scale,� Dr. Gu said.

Under an electron microscope, a ravaged neural landscape came into focus. Sheaths of myelin, vital for insulating the biological wiring of the brain, hung in tatters. In key parts of the brain that control emotion and executive function, large numbers of mitochondria � the tiny powerhouses that provide energy for each cell � were dead.

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Alex Sabol loaded charges right next to Mr. Johnson in Iraq. He had many advantages that Mr. Johnson never did. He was honorably discharged and given a monthly veterans� pension. His family pays for a private psychotherapist. Even so, he has struggled.

�My friends, my family, I don�t think they understood why I couldn�t hold it together,� he said in an interview.

This spring, he tried to hang himself. His girlfriend cut him down. She has since moved out.

�I�m scared to death,� he said in an interview at his cabin. �I don�t want to die. And I don�t get why I get into those horrible places.�

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i dont have a lot of sympathy for people who shelled the poo poo out of a civilian population so horribly that they got brain damage from the guns they were using, but the whole point of an imperial army to the individuals in it is that you get a little taste of the plunder so you sign up.

these days, for the US, you get poo poo food (or no food), a poverty wage, mold-infested housing, and

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Earlier this year, he started seeing things. Shadows cast by streetlights seemed to be crawling. At first, there were transient flickers of motion on the edge of his vision. Then came full hallucinations of creatures moving through the darkness.

�Now they are very close, like at arm�s length, and very real,� he said in a phone call from his car one night. �Honestly, I see it right now, and it�s freaking me out.�

cant imagine why theyre having trouble meeting recruiting targets

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The Voice of Labor: Apr 8, 2020

it's rad that u.s. imperialism is so gross that the rest of the world has united against it even without a shared banner of dominant ideology behind it. it's like a rainbow coalition, people of all races, religious and political beliefs brought together by their hatred for america.

so after the suez canal and crimea are expropriated, what's going to be the next shipping route conflict, south africa or greenland after the icecaps melt?

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Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

uber_stoat posted:

fix your bayonets and face towards Tehran. the second project for a new american century is about to begin.

�bomb, bomb, bomb iran�

insane that any country can have that as an election slogan for one of its two major parties

# ? Jan 28, 2024 22:26

Morbus: May 18, 2004

The Oldest Man posted:

a dji phantom with a firecracker goes off at the base's fence line

fifty guys run out and fire off a thousand rounds of red bag 155mm, every one of them goes home a month later with a tbi

five hundred miles away, a pair of alert f35s scramble from al-asad airbase, both of the pilots go home a month later due to oxygen starvation-induced brain damage

a platoon of big beard and oakley operator qrf guys pile into v22s, all dead during a crash shortly after take off

drat you iran

lmao

# ? Jan 28, 2024 22:28

Terper: Jun 26, 2012

The Voice of Labor posted:

it's rad that u.s. imperialism is so gross that the rest of the world has united against it even without a shared banner of dominant ideology behind it. it's like a rainbow coalition, people of all races, religious and political beliefs brought together by their hatred for america.

We've just had elections here in Finland and the candidates are all varying shades of the same exact loving "nato good, china bad because they're quiet on ukraine and we should trade less with them, anyway let's be quiet on gaza and strengthen ties with the us"

gah

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TeenageArchipelago: Jul 23, 2013

https://aje.io/r8luep?update=2656151

quote:

Trump says attack on US forces is result of ‘Biden’s weakness’

The former US president and current presidential candidate has hit out at his likely opponent in the general elections in November over the attack that killed three American service members.

“This brazen attack on the United States is yet another horrific and tragic consequence of Joe Biden’s weakness and surrender,” Trump wrote in a social media post.

He added that today’s incident, Hamas’s October 7 attack and the Russian invasion of Ukraine would not have happened if he had still been in power. “Instead, we are on the brink of World War 3,” Trump wrote.

Biden has been facing scathing Republican criticism over the killing of US service members, highlighting how his political opponents will cite the violence in the Middle East to paint him as ineffective.

Still, the US president has vehemently refused to call for a ceasefire to end the war on Gaza.

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Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

oh if anyone sees the recent documentary �american mercenaries: killing in yemen� it�s absolutely on point with the tier one bearded operator wearing oakleys stereotype, even down to the obscene muscles and brutishness combined with zero brains

the exact opposite you�d want actually conducting secret operations if you want them to remain secret, which the documentary basically proves

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

TeenageArchipelago posted:

https://aje.io/r8luep?update=2656151

time to compete over who can pound more nails into his own dick

# ? Jan 28, 2024 22:41

Weka: May 5, 2019; Can't post for 12 hours!

I asked about it some time ago so thought I would mention it, looks like the USS Ronald Reagan is being serviced in Japan.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8211112/uss-ronald-reagan-cvn-76-sailors-conduct-deck-demolition

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The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Jel Shaker posted:

oh if anyone sees the recent documentary �american mercenaries: killing in yemen� it�s absolutely on point with the tier one bearded operator wearing oakleys stereotype, even down to the obscene muscles and brutishness combined with zero brains

the exact opposite you�d want actually conducting secret operations if you want them to remain secret, which the documentary basically proves

is this the bbc thing?

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Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

Weka posted:

I asked about it some time ago so thought I would mention it, looks like the USS Ronald Reagan is being serviced in Japan.

https://www.dvidshub.net/image/8211112/uss-ronald-reagan-cvn-76-sailors-conduct-deck-demolition

DVIDS is fun to trawl every so often

it also has podcasts now!

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https://www.dvidshub.net/podcast/485/hope-in-the-trenches

Hope in the Trenches

Audio Podcast | Government & Organizations | Oregon National Guard Public Affairs Office

Chaplain Jacob Scott, the Oregon National Guard State Support Chaplain, holds conversations with people who offer interesting and informative perspectives on finding strength for life and work in the trenches and even "improving [our] spiritual posture" - whether you feel like you're under heavy bombardment, or ready to go "over the top" toward a new objective.

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Trabisnikof posted:

DVIDS is fun to trawl every so often

it also has podcasts now!

What old fogey yesteryear ra-ra propaganda imagery is this? Get with the times. Geeze.

It's all anime now. Make that plane into an anthropomorphic anime girl that's half sailor moon and half transformer. Make that soldier into a glam fashion model. Make Santa into a hard abs muscle hunk. Give them a music video.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 23:46

Scallop Eyes: Oct 16, 2021

Frosted Flake posted:

It's a good thing history began yesterday, or I'd be extremely loving embarrassed

Quoting for the future, those books seem pretty interesting.

The Voice of Labor posted:

so after the suez canal and crimea are expropriated, what's going to be the next shipping route conflict, south africa or greenland after the icecaps melt?

Realistically, it would be South Africa as retaliation for the ICJ case against Israel, however considering everything going on, I'm going for the longshot on Panama because it would be the worst for the US.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 23:54

Frosted Flake: Sep 13, 2011; Semper Shitpost Ubique

Jel Shaker posted:

oh if anyone sees the recent documentary �american mercenaries: killing in yemen� it�s absolutely on point with the tier one bearded operator wearing oakleys stereotype, even down to the obscene muscles and brutishness combined with zero brains

the exact opposite you�d want actually conducting secret operations if you want them to remain secret, which the documentary basically proves

Delta Force were skinny nerds in their OG deployment to MENA

# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:22

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

My whole infantry is roided out of their minds and my artillery crews' brains get scrambled to poo poo by every barrage. I'm sure this is fine.

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

I have a soft spot for imperial propaganda like jack ryan etc. I�ve noticed in recent years that almost all of them include a scene near the beginning where the grizzled, reluctant operator with a heart of gold pops some kind of unspecified pills to start the day

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