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bentacos posted:Yeah as bad as Iron Fist started I think the end of season 2 ended in a good place and wanted to see more. Well, this is now on my wishlist too. Mind, with how popular and well-received the return of Daredevil has been, there’s sure to be a halo effect where they’re likely to bring a lot of the rest of the Netflix crew back. It’s easy content for them. All the setup has been done, they can just do a cool couple of stories to tie things up. It’ll legit be funny as hell if a Defenders + Spidey team-up against Fisk and his minions becomes a street-level Endgame that wraps up the Netflix heroes and that it ends up being the best thing put out in the entire Phase 5/6 era. Basically Daredevil is gonna save the MCU.
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There have been persistent rumors of bringing back Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. I doubt Iron Fist comes back in the same form since it was pretty much universally panned. I made it like 6 episodes into season 1.
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You can tell they realized after S1 that Danny Rand sucked, and they just fully leaned into it in the Defenders and S2. but yeah S2 of Iron Fist was alright, and ended at a point where I wanted to see what happened next.
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I do wish they had Danny in an Iron First costume. the non DD netflix shows were deathly afraid of costumes. Though to be fair, Only DD and Iron Fist ever wore costumes. If they bring back JJ, I'd hope desperately they don't bring the netflix Patsy Walker with her.
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Henwick is making a name for herself and she wants in the MCU. It'd be strange if they didn't bring her back.
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twistedmentat posted:I do wish they had Danny in an Iron First costume. the non DD netflix shows were deathly afraid of costumes. Though to be fair, Only DD and Iron Fist ever wore costumes.
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Still want Shanna the She-Devil punching through velociraptors and breaking their backs with bear hugs and poo poo. I want dual-wielding machetes and comical raptor decapitations. Make Shanna white, black, cis, trans, whatever. I don’t care as long as I get bare handed dinosaur murder.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Still want Shanna the She-Devil punching through velociraptors and breaking their backs with bear hugs and poo poo. I want dual-wielding machetes and comical raptor decapitations. Make Shanna white, black, cis, trans, whatever. I don’t care as long as I get bare handed dinosaur murder. Only as long as Ka-Zar joins her 
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I'm four of five episodes through Echo. I have to admit, I'm stunned that I haven't had the show accidentally spoiled for me, as I have no idea how it ends even though it's been out nearly a month. So I thought I would post my thoughts so far, then come back in the next couple of days and see how much I still agree with anything I said. Because the endings to these shows tend to be a huge letdown. So here goes... -- A few minor things aside, this show is way better than I ever thought it would be during the time it was being reported what a troubled production it is. -- The pacing is fairly tight, and never feels like it drags needlessly, which is actually a massive improvement over the majority of MCU Disney+ shows. -- As someone whose great grandmother was Choctaw, it's super cool to see this culture that's part of my DNA fleshed out on TV. The intro for ep2 with the stickball game was really well done. Not perfect, but incredibly well done on the technical details for the most part. -- The camera work to make Fisk look absolutely gargantuan is, dare I say, better than how Netflix did it. I mean, he was big, but the way they play with angles to make Fisk look a gigantic or smaller depending on his leverage/position in the scene is really well executed. -- The action is, for the most part, better than I anticipated it might be. There's a few times where it's a little corny or unconvincing, but as a whole, massive improvement over a lot of the MCU shows to date. Really, only Hawkeye and Cap and Winter Soldier had better action sequences, IMO. -- I do appreciate the Marvel Spotlight brand. I think it's perfect for these character-driven street level stories. Somehow, I was more enthused to watch this than several other recent shows because I could go into knowing it was only relevant to itself, and not required to watch the next show or movie. I'm realizing I'm getting tired from remembering so many connections now. -- Only thing that has consistently been annoying to me is the power scaling with Maya. I'm assuming her actual power will be revealed in the finale, but it doesn't make a ton of sense "see a mystic spiral and enter god mode," got it. But also she whoops major rear end, then gets taken by some meth-y trailer trash in the next episode? Huh? Pick a lane and stick to it, please. So I'll come back later and see how badly Marvel fucks it up with the latest ending. Or who knows, maybe I'll be surprised and the ending will be really good.
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Oasx posted:Only as long as Ka-Zar joins her You know the long one-shot hallway fight scenes they had in Daredevil? I want that, but with Shanna and a stairwell full of velociraptors.
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But would the raptors have feathers, or no?
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Could mean nothing, but Krysten Ritter said she has some career announcements coming in the next couple weeks, then she just posted this with the caption: "IYKYK" It's the same shirt from Jessica Jones season 1. 
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This was also reported shortly after, so even though it would be great to see her back as Jessica Jones, it would also be kind of hilarious if those original two posts had nothing to do with each other and it was just a coincidence. https://twitter.com/HollywoodHandle/status/1752130095500698067 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Rappaport posted:But would the raptors have feathers, or no? I do lovey a good murder turkey.
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Here's something about Echo and the sign language portrayal I've been wondering and have trouble really judging for obvious reasons (being deaf): the sign language dialogue was extremely stiff and slow for reasons I can't really piece together. I was guessing it is because it's ASL which I'm not fluent in (but able to understand what's what with subtitles) but then I saw interviews with Alaqua Cox and she's just like really fluid (and cheerful but that's a different thing) with her signs. I was wondering if actors in interviews sound similarly fast and more natural compared to their on-screen behavior? Basically the sign language was one. sign. after. the. other. and. it. went. like. this. And then you see her on TV and she's like signing the whole amount of dialogue she had in the series in 2 minutes. There was also an obvious difference between the actors that were actually deaf and those that learned it for the show, like Echo's mother being more fluent, baby echo being more fluent and so on. That was more of a neat observation. I thought (episode 3 or 4, not sure) the magic computer interpreter was dumb and I'm happy Echo commented on that and trashed it. I thought Kingpin shooting the human interpreter was dumb as well because certified interpreters are dead on professional and will take any secret to the grave but I understood the sentiment, in a way it was a cool touch. However (Hawkeye spoilers in connection with the new Echo series) when Kingpin was revealed as speaking sign language in Hawkeye it was really touching and in my view characterized him as someone who really tried to learn Echo's language because he loved her like his own child. Something a lot of actual parents don't bother with. Then they sort of tossed that when it was revealed that she was mad at him that he never really learned the language, that was weird. It all felt sort of rushed and not very fleshed out. Despite that it's still one of the greatest depictions of sign language and deafness in popular media in a good long while. I hope they stick with her and do more with the subject matter.
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There was apparently quite a bit of thought put into how they displayed the ASL being used: https://www.gamesradar.com/echo-asl-close-ups-sydney-freeland-disney-plus/ quote:"One of the other things that was important to us, in terms of family members who aren't deaf – we learned that there are degrees of proficiency in ASL," Freeland says. "We try to incorporate that into our story. So, you have characters who are more 'fluent' in ASL than others. People that are more fluent will sign, but they won't speak.
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Doronin posted:
I went ahead and knocked it out, and the ending definitely came across as something that was cut short and they had to scramble to make it work with what they had. A few stray thoughts... - Disappointing that the action sequences never even came close to matching the DD fight in ep1. - I still don't understand what Echo's powers are supposed to be other than a mystical plot device. I really got the feeling there was supposed to be something more specific, which brought me back to the plot rumors/leaks about her being able to conjure weapons from her ancestors or whatever. - The weirdest detail was when Biscuits texts Maya to let her know "Pokni and Bonnie didn't show up." Except there was no Pokni? Did an entire character just get lost in the edit? Just odd. I scrolled the entire IMDB cast list twice to make sure nobody was cast in that role. Nope. - I really didn't mind how Maya overcame Fisk. We already saw DD beat him in a street fight, so doing that all over again wouldn't have been very interesting, but diving into his mind and just scrambling his thoughts didn't seem like a bad way to go. Would have been stronger if there had been any explanation of what her powers even are. Again, considering how obvious it was that the show was knee-capped in production, I thought they made decent decisions with where to take it. - On Fisk's plan to retaliate, but that didn't seem in character. Fisk, as established in the re-re-canonized Netflix shows didn't seem like someone who would plot something to draw massive attention. Attacking an entire giant festival event just seemed out of character and cartoonish to me. - Also, back to Maya's powers, but when her and grandma and Bonnie all got the powers at the same time, it really reminded me of the end of Shazam when all the kids got powers. Just smaller scale. Except that Bonnie is her cousin, so these powers just take up with anyone in the bloodline, or is specific to Maya's bloodline? I mean, I guess it doesn't matter since I suspect we won't see these characters again anytime soon.
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Doronin posted:
Yeah I actually went back and watched that part again because I thought I must have missed something important whereby Echo was suddenly captured. But no, just 'they grabbed her'. Obviously the next bit of the show required her to have been captured, but they needed to put some more thought into a better way to get there.
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Giant Tourtiere posted:Yeah I actually went back and watched that part again because I thought I must have missed something important whereby Echo was suddenly captured. As described above, Maya's powers are derived from her ancestors. If it's more literal than simple ancestral memory, it could be that she can only use those powers when she's in need. So she gets all the skill she needs when she's fighting a badass like Daredevil who will take her down otherwise, but some trailer trash? Handle it yourself, girl, we can't do everything for you.
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Marsupial Ape posted:You know the long one-shot hallway fight scenes they had in Daredevil? I want that, but with Shanna and a stairwell full of velociraptors. This is too long for a thread title but it should be a thread title. Teek posted:Pokni is Chocktaw for Grandmother. The powers are basically "In times of grave need, your ancestors will reach out to you to grant you their skills aka their powers will echo down to you." When I know someone comes from a different culture and speaks more than one language, I just sort of assume that they have their own words for family members. My stepmom is Romanian, we have an additional word for "Grandmother" at my house, "Bunică". I don't really speak any other languages, to my own disappointment.
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Does anyone have a quick link/summary of Echo's troubled production? Like was their episode order slashed midway or something?
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Teek posted:Pokni is Chocktaw for Grandmother. The powers are basically "In times of grave need, your ancestors will reach out to you to grant you their skills aka their powers will echo down to you." Oooooh, that all makes way more sense now. I didn't remember anyone calling the grandma "Pokni" at any point, just Chulla. As for the powers, ok, that works. I guess that makes sense to have a cultural attachment to her powers than having her just be "Taskmaster again" like in the comics. Giant Tourtiere posted:Yeah I actually went back and watched that part again because I thought I must have missed something important whereby Echo was suddenly captured. Yeah, same. I didn't mention this earlier, but this was the first MCU show that wasn't bogged down by heaps of drat exposition, and also the first show that actually could have benefitted from a little more of it. Otherwise at times things just seem to happen almost at random.
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Doronin posted:
Overall I really liked Echo as well. I thought it was paced well, I like their version of her powers more than just 'another person with photographic reflexes' the way it is in the comics, and the tone was a nice balance of light and serious stuff. Graham Green and Tantoo Cardinal need more time bickering amiably around future shows though.
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Changing Echo's powers in the show was a bad choice imho. The climax just absolutely didn't land for me, in the same way that the Kids at the end of Love and Thunder didn't land.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Does anyone have a quick link/summary of Echo's troubled production? Like was their episode order slashed midway or something? I don’t think this ever got reported in the trades so all of this is via Jeff Sneider, but I think the original order was all shot, but as they started editing it all together it wasn’t working, so they rewrote the show and intended to do reshoots, then the strikes happened, so they just cut it all up in post.
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Teek posted:There was apparently quite a bit of thought put into how they displayed the ASL being used: yeah that part about the varying levels feels spot on and they did that very well. thanks for the link! still, echo signs so slow, I wish there was more where they'd just let her off the chain entirely. but still, happy about the honestly very diverse portrayal not just in this regard.
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The_Doctor posted:That reminds me, the only thing I didn't like about the Loki finale were his weird little slippers at the end. Well, after season 1, there was no way he was going to wear croc's.
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