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ghost emoji posted:So many restaurants around here don't even have delivery drivers anymore. You call in to order delivery and they're like "oh we're on Ubereats/Postmates/etc" instead. I can't see how that's saving them money long-term. "Long-term"? What the gently caress are you tolkien about
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ghost emoji posted:So many restaurants around here don't even have delivery drivers anymore. You call in to order delivery and they're like "oh we're on Ubereats/Postmates/etc" instead. I can't see how that's saving them money long-term. Well, the fact that 90% of those restaurants never delivered before 3rd party delivery, it's opened a whole new revenue stream. Back in the day, depending on where you lived, you could basically get pizza or chinese delivered, that was it. The cut that the delivery companies take is often less than paying for a delivery driver as well, especially if they would've had to employ multiple drivers prior. Delivery times are better as well. Instead of waiting for an in-house driver get back from an existing delivery, 3rd parties just show up as soon as an order is ready to go. I'm not going to listen to restaurant owners crying doom and gloom that "these delivery services will run us out of business from fees". Just like they plead poverty and that their greedy employees will run them out of business by daring to ask for higher wages.
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right it seems like the only loser in the equation is the delivery driver working for the app. anyway i noticed recently that in addition to the fees, delivery fee, and optional tip the individual items on delivery apps is sometimes higher than if you go to the place or call in the order yourself. anyone know is this restaurants setting their prices higher for delivery or is it just extra money also going to the app company
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Cactus Ghost posted:yeah as far as i'm concerned restaurant owners and tech bros can drag each other to hell
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thathonkey posted:is this restaurants setting their prices higher for delivery or is it just extra money also going to the app company both but generally the app. sometimes you'll get the actual food receipt instead of the uber one and it shows the real prices, typically 20% below what you get charged online
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I do feel out of touch sometimes reading people's posts. I've never had a subscription to a streaming service, never used one of these apps for take out, never used an uber. You name a newfangled thing and I bet you I haven't used it. I do know how to hew a round log into a square one using an axe though.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I do feel out of touch sometimes reading people's posts. I've never had a subscription to a streaming service, never used one of these apps for take out, never used an uber. Same and I feel more vindicated by the day. Well, I did recently subscribe to the Criterion channel, which has been good, though. It has no algorithm, just a list of movies you can watch and none of them are made for streaming.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I do feel out of touch sometimes reading people's posts. I've never had a subscription to a streaming service, never used one of these apps for take out, never used an uber. Same, but without any of the useful things to compensate.
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I just can't fathom wanting mcdonalds so bad I'd pay like $25 for it.
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The Moon Monster posted:I just can't fathom wanting mcdonalds so bad I'd pay like $25 for it. Maybe if you screamed "MCDONALD'S!" at your TV more often you wouldn't feel that way
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The Moon Monster posted:I just can't fathom wanting mcdonalds so bad I'd pay like $25 for it. Would you pay to make it stop?
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thathonkey posted:right it seems like the only loser in the equation is the delivery driver working for the app. anyway i noticed recently that in addition to the fees, delivery fee, and optional tip the individual items on delivery apps is sometimes higher than if you go to the place or call in the order yourself. anyone know is this restaurants setting their prices higher for delivery or is it just extra money also going to the app company You are absolutely correct - delivery apps mark up the price of food. On doordash specifically you can see the difference by switching from delivery to pickup. also  in the beginning of DoorDash, restaurants didnt necessarily consent to being on their website. Doordash would literally steal their menu, load it into their app, and mark up the prices. Then when the unknowing customer placed the order, the driver was supposed to walk into the restaurant and place the order for themselves, use the doordash credit card to pay for it, sit around and wait for it to be prepared, and then deliver it.
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Restaurants that retain drivers do so in abject defiance to gig work, as it is both a savings of labor and an adaptation of a changing market to use it. Uber et al found a way to condition customers to come to them to order food from basically anywhere and then leveraged that power over the restaurants. One restauranteur likened this to how Microsoft used its monopoly in OSes in the 90s to destroy its rivals in the web browser space like Netscape (by the time the law came down on them it was already too late). From this hard to read neon green on black blog
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Vampire Panties posted:You are absolutely correct - delivery apps mark up the price of food. On doordash specifically you can see the difference by switching from delivery to pickup.
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That's how DoorDash still works in my area.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I do feel out of touch sometimes reading people's posts. I've never had a subscription to a streaming service, never used one of these apps for take out, never used an uber. lol same. I can't imagine spending big money to get cold McDonalds delivered to you. It helps I suppose that I have zero chance of any delivery, but still.
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There are a lot of people who exclusively eat fast food. I work with like 3 of them.
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I moved out of my parent's house at 19, went to college, spent half a decade overseas, then lived in my own apartment for 4 years until I moved in with my partner. At 30+ years old my parents would still regularly ask me "Do you ever cook?" and I would say "Yes? How else would I eat?" and they thought "Oh we figured you just ordered food every day". No idea why, maybe because I lived in a city and they thought that's what city slicker millennials did?
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I know some people that are like that because they grew up without regular access to a grocery store and it's what they're used to. They at least go get the food themselves though.
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I know a guy who is a cook in a restaurant and doesn't cook for himself very often because he hates cooking and likes drugs actually I know two or three people like that.
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Zamujasa posted:both but generally the app. sometimes you'll get the actual food receipt instead of the uber one and it shows the real prices, typically 20% below what you get charged online Gouging like this should be some kind of crime somehow. Inflate prices, add nonsensical fees, delivery fee add tax to everything plus tip etc etc. Any additional cost that's a percentage should be included in the base cost.
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Hm, looks like my YouTube RSS links just stopped working this morning. I kind figured they'd get rid of them sooner or later, maybe this is a hiccup, maybe this is another one of Google's unannounced service closures. Anyway, this video is a useful sum-up of a good third of the posts in this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuTQbOo3Y30 It also has a pretty ironic sponsor, given the video's mention of subscription services as a component of "limbic capitalism." doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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I'm pretty undemanding of podcast apps. I don't play at accelerated speeds, auto-skip dead air or any of that fancy stuff. So I gave Google Podcasts a try when it came out and stuck with it because it checked the boxes I wanted:
Big freaking surprise, Google is discontinuing Google Podcasts. Yes I should have seen this coming but there's an easy migration to YouTube Music so let's give that a try. As it turns out, I have a requirement I didn't previously realize.  I know a lot of people get mad about decreasing information density. I'm generally indifferent and don't mind padding things to look nice. That said, what the gently caress is this trash? Sure these episodes don't need their name in the title but even that doesn't fit. Google you suck poo poo at everything.
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I read somewhere that googles culture is geared towards making a cool product, making a name for yourself, impressing the higher ups, and then getting promoted to something else more prestigious. Then the product eventually becomes a dumping ground for people they don't want to fire yet, then eventually attrition and layoffs come around and the team gets axed and the product sucks now so they poo poo can it. Repeat ad infinitum. Which is why they had like 3 distinct chat apps at one point in time, and two music players.
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Google stuff: Picasa, a Google acquisition long discontinued, is still an ok photo manager and freely available in this place or that. Oh, and it's a downloadable, installable piece of software, not a lousy web service. I post it here because it's the only Google acquisition I can think of that a) is good and b) you can still use without depending on a Google-hosted server. doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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WTFBEES posted:I'm pretty undemanding of podcast apps. I don't play at accelerated speeds, auto-skip dead air or any of that fancy stuff. So I gave Google Podcasts a try when it came out and stuck with it because it checked the boxes I wanted: YouTube music first hosed up the transition from podcasts to itself, then it started playing loving imagine dragons at me when I paused the podcast I was trying to listen to. So I uninstalled that. Amazon Music's podcast section is decent but the loving app autoplays when you switch devices. So after turning off my car it stopped playing in my car and started full volume blasting out of my phone in my bag. So gently caress that app. I'm currently trying Pocket Casts free version. So far it doesn't suck and has the same UI on Android Auto as Google podcasts. We'll see though it'll probably try to hijack my Roomba or something.
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I don't listen to that many podcasts, but Pocket Casts has always worked for me and never tried to gently caress me over.
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doctorfrog posted:Google stuff: Picasa, a Google acquisition long discontinued, is still an ok photo manager and freely available in this place or that. Picasa was great. I used to use it to adjust the photos my late grandfather took, it worked wonders. Google culture is the same as too many other places, online and off: old things don't get money. keeping things running smoothly is not growth. the only thing that is rewarded are new products and new redesigns, which is why google has god knows how many different chat apps
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Speaking of which, a list of services that google has discontinued: Aardvark (search engine) Google Answers Google Base BebaPay Google Blog Search Google Building Maker Google Buzz Google Checkout Google Code Search Google Directory Google Expeditions Google Express Google Fast Flip Google Flu Trends Google Friend Connect Google Gesture Search Google Goggles GOOG-411 Google Web Light Google+ Grasshopper (mobile app) Google Hangouts Google Helpouts IGoogle Google Image Labeler Google Image Swirl Inbox by Gmail Google Insights for Search Knol Google Labs Google Latitude Google Lively Google Mashup Editor Meebo Google Moderator Google News & Weather Google Notebook Google Offers Google Optimize Orkut Google Page Creator Google Pay Send Picasa Picnik Google Questions and Answers Google Reader San Francisco Digital Inclusion Strategy San Francisco Municipal Wireless Google Schemer Google SearchWiki Google Sidewiki Google Spaces Google Squared Google Stadia Google Surveys Google Sync Tez (software) Urchin (software) Google URL Shortener Google Video Google Wave Worm Game ZygoteBody It's a long list. One day I feel like google will complete it's companies mission statement and finally discontinue every last one of its products by mistake.
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Speaking of, Ars Technica has a thing about google’s culture making it impossible to create a chat app that doesn’t suck.
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They're getting rid of the HTML-only inboxes on Gmail soon. My dad lives in the middle of nowhere with lovely internet, and the current Gmail takes ages to load for him. Everything online is optimized for people who have a high-speed connection that never falters.
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Chiming in late to say that “they type fast on phone keyboards” is a crock of poo poo. To people using phones “fast” is like 60WPM which is impressive for geriatrics or chimpanzees
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use overcast for podcast. one dude wrote updates and manages it as a side job and as a result it isn't MBAd or UXed to death. free with small banner ads or a one-time purchase to remove em
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ghost emoji posted:They're getting rid of the HTML-only inboxes on Gmail soon. My dad lives in the middle of nowhere with lovely internet, and the current Gmail takes ages to load for him. Everything online is optimized for people who have a high-speed connection that never falters. There are a lot of good mail clients for desktop and Android around(I assume for Apple too, but idk). I use K-9 on Android and Thunderbird on Windows. Nobody has to use that slow garbage Gmail UI
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I installed a cassette player in the DIN1 slot of my car.
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GABA ghoul posted:There are a lot of good mail clients for desktop and Android around(I assume for Apple too, but idk). I use K-9 on Android and Thunderbird on Windows. Nobody has to use that slow garbage Gmail UI Until they stop supporting SMTP and IMAP I guess, in favor of their own proprietary protocols. I believe it's just a matter of time. OK maybe they will allow external clients to rewrite for those new protocols. MS did this recently so I had to write a python app using their own protocols instead, ostensibly done as a security move.
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