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Broken Machine
Oct 22, 2010

Truga posted:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...d63e94066f7db3&

here's the screenshot of the article i got linked, but you can't copy/paste for easy machine translation lol

I cut the text out in blocks, and fed it to goog to translate from the image -

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Tonight, in one of Ljubljana's central theaters, you can watch a play about the Pohor Battalion, which was unfortunately ambushed by an occupying army 23 times stronger in January 1943. But the Second World War unfolded differently, and in the end it was the partisans who marched victoriously out of the woods in May 1945.

The liberation movements, which were born in response to the Italian and German occupation, are firmly embedded in the national identity everywhere in Europe, including the Slovenian one. No one was bothered, neither then nor now, that the partisans shed blood on ravines and ridges for four years. Every partisan march talks about how happily the weapons sang through the woods. Slovenian nation-building myths differ from others in that they like to beautify historical events: more modern, ethnically exclusivist versions of the mythologizing of Slovenian partisanship emphasize its cultural role.

Smart books are written about how the partisans fought "with a book and a gun", with culture as ammunition. Covering the facts with sticky sugar cream is possible only from a safe historical distance. The truth is that the partisans did not come from the forests with books, songs and flowers.
They came with rifles still loaded that had fired bullets the day before that cut through the flesh, bone and tissue of the Germans and before that the Italians. The occupiers were not crushed by nice words, diplomatic relations or decades of waiting for that.

Others offer Slovenians peace, freedom and autonomy.

The question of why countries that are countries only because they have armed resistance to their occupiers do not support the national liberation movement of the Palestinians today is almost rhetorical. Violent resistance against an occupier is another privilege that Western societies reserve for themselves, while violent resistance against occupiers, colonizers and other aggressors, when used by societies of the Global South, is viewed with performative outrage. Today, this attitude crystallizes almost as a cynical joke in the question: Do you condemn Hamas? "Terrorist organization," scream the right.

Slaughterhouse of >>innocent civilians", the left complains to them without post-colonial consciousness. Terrorism? Hamas has not carried out a single regime change or sadistic neo-colonial invasion in another country, nor is it Hamas that dropped atomic bombs on densely populated Japanese cities. Moralizing about "innocent civilians" is only possible in places where, due to a favorable combination of historical circumstances, we never learned whether the partisans would still be shooting at "innocent
German civilians" in 1955 if Hitler had succeeded in his ethnocide policy in Eastern Europe, if he had succeeded in the planned mass expulsion of Slovenes and would eventually settle Germans in villages from Koper to Murska Sobota.

Decolonization thought teaches that there is no such thing as an "innocent civilian" in colonizing settlement projects. The idea of ​​the "innocent civilian" is a key ideological concept of colonialism, which is invaluable precisely because it gradually distances the settler, and even more so his descendant, from the act of settling in the territory of the expelled communities, when enough time has passed and the appearance of a legitimate presence, normalization, even peace is created.

Historical parallels for the violent resistance of the Palestinians, which does not dry up even after 70 years, can only be sought by imagining scenarios that did not unfold. By imagining a Europe, for example, that would not have come to the aid of the Red Army and the USA in the Second World War. If Hitler had succeeded in his project of colonizing Central and Eastern Europe in providing "lebensraum", a living space for the Germans, the question arises whether the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of the first partisans would still be setting up ambushes and digging dugouts 80 years later, would they be able and even willing to penetrate the wire, tear down the wall, and show the one who violently pushed them into real and metaphorical prisons, his way home.

If the Pohor battalion numbered 67 young men - a sample of the fighting-capable generation at that time - where were all the others? In Maribor alone, more than 5,000 people worked in the German armaments industry, and even more became partisans if a German just waved his fist at them, innocent civilians" during the war were busy with how to get flour and meat. The key factor in German territorial penetration was, on the one hand, the massive military collaboration of Europeans with the Germans, and on the other, the desire of "innocent civilians" to simply live in peace, even if under the German boot. National liberation movements of all times and places join hands in spirit, even if there are differences between them. Thanks to the Allies, the Partisans did not have to fight for so long that the new order, when it normalized over time, would tear them away from the reason for their existence and their legitimate political goals, and the international community would declare them terrorists.

The Palestinian resistance against the Israeli occupation is different in spirit from the European resistance against fascism and Nazism also in that Palestinian collaboration with Israel is not a statistically relevant phenomenon. Unlike Europeans, Palestinians understand the concepts of freedom and autonomy. Behind the performative indignation at the violence of Hamas against >>innocent civilians<< is hidden shame, because the Palestinian resistance, in contrast to European historical resistances against the occupiers, is massive, popular, principled and unbreakable.

The European political class lives in full awareness of its own susceptibility to collaborative opportunism, such as it has shown over the centuries towards the hegemons on the continent. He didn't go anywhere. Today, the spirit of vassalage is embodied by the decades of servility of the whole of Europe to the agenda of the imperial center on the other side of the Atlantic.





Think I got the whole thing in the right order. Aside from formatting this is unedited from that machine translation.

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The answer is racism, the same for the relative lack of collaboration in the Soviet Union. There were probably 20-30 times Ukrainians who fought with the Red Army than with the fascists, and that goes for most of the rest of the Soviet Union outside of the Baltic states.

Slovenians were targetted for Germanization and many of them were relatively accepting of occupation, compared to the Serbs who were targeted for decimation.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
Ben Gvir threatens to bring down government if ‘reckless’ deal reached with Hamas
Opposition Leader Lapid vows to give government ‘safety net’ for any hostage deal

Despite member’s stated opposition, Yesh Atid party says it backs expelling far-left MK

quote:

MK Ofer Cassif of the Hadash-Ta’al party does not belong in the Knesset, a spokesman for Opposition Leader Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid party tells The Times of Israel, as the far-left lawmaker faces expulsion for supporting South Africa’s accusations of Israeli genocide in Gaza.

“Yesh Atid believes that Ofer Cassif should not be an MK in the Knesset. Just like Ministers Amichai Eliyahu and [Itamar] Ben Gvir,” the spokesman says in a statement. “The members of the faction [provided] the necessary signatures for his impeachment and will vote for his impeachment in the House Committee. Yesh Atid is a democratic party with a variety of opinions and the members of the faction can express their opinions.”

Some in the party have expressed opposition to the impeachment, with MK Meirav Cohen declaring yesterday that while she dislikes Cassif’s positions, “it is not the role of Knesset members to depose other Knesset members.”

“The move to impeach [Cassif] is populist, and its whole purpose is to push the case to the High Court of Justice, so that it will reject the impeachment, and then they can accuse it of ‘leftism/treason/something related to George Soros,’” she has tweeted.

Members of the Knesset House Committee are currently debating referring Cassif’s impeachment to the Knesset plenum, where the motion would require the support of 90 lawmakers to pass.

Both Deputy Attorney General Avital Sompolinsky and Knesset legal adviser Sagit Afik have expressed the opinion that Cassif’s actions have failed to meet the required legal threshold for impeachment.
i didn't realize "soros is behind this" also happened in israel

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
have the gcc countries or any other countries upped their funding to the unrwa to match the cuts from the western genocidaires? Is there a mechanism to increase funding

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
"Officials in Yesh Atid: Lapid is willing to enter the government temporarily to support a hostage deal - 'a safety net'"

https://twitter.com/ynetalerts/status/1752300844735701476?t=GHQ0P0aBPw5ftADIyTJDeA&s=19

quote:

The head of the opposition, Yair Lapid, stated at noon (Tuesday) that he would grant the government a "safety net" for any deal that would bring home the 136 hostages held captive by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. He said these things against the backdrop of Ben Gvir's statement, which threatened to dissolve the government if the deal to be signed is "neglectful."

In fact, this is a message from Lapid to Netanyahu, according to which he is ready to enter the government to help pass the deal - and stay for a limited period of time. Officials in Yesh Atid say that this isn't intended to give unlimited credit to Netanyahu, but rather temporary membership in the government instead of Ben Gvir to overcome the threats of Otzma Yehudit's chairman.

Lapid mentioned, in his message, the hostage Tal Shoham, who has been kidnapped for 116 days, and whose parents he met on his birthday. "The first clause, the first line, in the contract between the state and its citizens, says that the state is responsible for their lives," he said. "Not only for their health or the education of their children, but for life in the most basic and simple sense - for their confidence that the state will never abandon them to die. Israel isn't an ordinary state. It was founded by people who returned to their country after going through the greatest massacre in history. We live here by the power of an oath to protect one another, to love one another, to take care of one another. That's what allows us to live here despite the risks, that's what makes us send our children to the army and lie awake at night."

According to Lapid, "This contract was violated on October 7th. We have no way to bring our dead back to life, but we must return the hostages to their homes, otherwise something very basic will crumble in our relationship with each other, in the relationship between a people and their country, certainly in the fundamental trust between the citizens and the government. This mustn't be allowed to happen. There are things that stand above any debate."
[...]
Prior to Lapid's statement, Ben Gvir wrote on his social media accounts that "a neglectful deal = dissolution of the government." This is another threat by Ben Gvir in recent weeks to resign, this time due to his opposition - and also the opposition of Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich - to a deal that includes the release of terrorists and a long pause in the war.

Otzma Yehudit said today that "this is a red line. If such a neglectful deal is signed, [one which includes] the release of 2,000 murderous terrorists and a prolonged ceasefire, Benjamin Netanyahu will have no government with us." Israel, on the other hand, denied yesterday that there were agreements on the number of prisoners to be released in the deal, and said that there was no discussion at all about the amount. The Prime Minister's office later stated that "the reports about a deal to release hostages are not true, and include conditions that are not acceptable to Israel."

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
So basically 80% of the Israeli Parliament would be under one coalition...okay.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

mila kunis posted:

have the gcc countries or any other countries upped their funding to the unrwa to match the cuts from the western genocidaires? Is there a mechanism to increase funding

the GCC countries are either american lapdogs or zionist whores they will never step up

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!

Fake rear end Instagram army poo poo lmao death to israel

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Ardennes posted:

How does a actual war against Iran even play out? The USN has one battle group in the area that is needed to just contest the Houthis, and it is actively having to pull troops back from Syria not to mention it is under pressure in Iraq and Jordan. If anything the US is slowly losing its grip even without Iran openly involved.

The Biden administration is one of the most idiotic and bloodthirsty, but the Iranians are far from helpless. They could really start hammering the US if they wanted to, and that is without Chinese and Russian support.

Iran shoots missiles at every oil producing facility in the Persian Gulf and shuts down the straight of Hormuz. 32% of global oil production ceases overnight and the global economy implodes.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

bedpan posted:

You will see a lot more ISIS attacks

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 18 days!)

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/the-us-knows-the-solution-in-the-region-is-political--irania

quote:

Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian said on Tuesday that the United States is well aware that the solution to diffuse the tension in the region is profusely political.

On X, the top Iranian diplomat said, "The White House knows very well that the solution to ending the war and genocide in Gaza and the current crisis in the region is political. Diplomacy is active in this direction. Netanyahu is at the end of his criminal political life."

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Iran shoots missiles at every oil producing facility in the Persian Gulf and shuts down the straight of Hormuz. 32% of global oil production ceases overnight and the global economy implodes.

america remains number 1 oil producer and china loses most of its oil imports

netanyahu gets the medal of freedom and time machine man of the year

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

the us exports a large majority of its oil so even if it produces alot or whatever prices will still shoot up alot here and i still dont buy that it produces enough to handle the usage here

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Jel Shaker posted:

time machine man of the year

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Iran shoots missiles at every oil producing facility in the Persian Gulf and shuts down the straight of Hormuz. 32% of global oil production ceases overnight and the global economy implodes.

The US seems to believe Iran is incapable of an October 7th-like missile barrage of such a scale, very foolish if they believe the capability doesn't exist.

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.
:rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/derJamesJackson/status/1752303021961220544?t=AeSaTSg-m73asGWeCLcBSw&s=19

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
lol another detail from that hospital raid that just amps up the evil levels is one of the guys who was executed has been paralyzed since october and was using a wheelchair

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Jel Shaker posted:

america remains number 1 oil producer and china loses most of its oil imports

netanyahu gets the medal of freedom and time machine man of the year

Also, it doesn't matter because Russian oil would still be available and China would outbid India...also inflation would explode.

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-vows-israel-wont-free-thousands-of-terrorists-amid-hostage-deal-push/
In his speech Tuesday, Netanyahu says of the ongoing war against Hamas: “This is not another round, not another exchange of strikes, not another operation.” Rather, he says, Israel is insistent on “a complete victory.”

“Nothing less than that” will be acceptable, Netanyahu tells the Bnei David military academy in Eli. “I am committed to it, our fighters are committed to it, and the absolute majority of the people are committed to it. We will not settle for less than total victory.”

Turning to the reports of a potential hostage deal in the context of the war, Netanyahu says that Israel “will not end this war with less than the achievement of all its goals. This means the elimination of Hamas, the return of all our hostages, and the promise that Gaza will no longer pose a threat to Israel.”

“We will not remove the IDF from the Gaza Strip and we will not release thousands of terrorists,” he pledges. “None of this will happen. What will happen? Absolute victory!”

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

Oil prices skyrocketing would be very good and therefore probably won't happen

hey mom its 420
May 12, 2007

yes and I am going to marry 1995 halle berry

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
lol netanyahu completely caved to Hamas's demands didnt he

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Posting BiBi just reads like Hitler, there's nothing there.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Death By The Blues posted:

People try to explain and give these diatribes as to Bidens rational. Dude is just an old school white supremacist, he is just racist deep in his core. If you are not white you know what racism looks like you have dealt with it and anytime I look at him I go yea he things hes better then anyone who is non white. Its just what it is and I cannot wait for him to be humbled.
american politicians are insanely bad on israel and hes even worse than most of them!

but these other dumbass western states still follow his lead! combined with destroying their own economies to stick it to russia at the US's behest it's really incredible to what lengths theyre willing to be loyal little lapdogs. and the biggest resistance to these things isnt even on the left. What a sad state of affairs

Israel's terrorist hospital raid, they just keep finding new ways to astonish me as to their depravity.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Al-Saqr posted:

lol netanyahu completely caved to Hamas's demands didnt he

Israel is probably starting to come under some pressure from the US as DC is starting to figure out the situation is unsustainable. In particular, Egypt denying access to the Rafah cross is a pretty big deal.

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


a huge oil supply shock would be a bonanza for oil companies and then all other industries could price gouge as well. which would cause a global crash pretty similar to the opec one in the 70s, likely depress most of the worlds' economies. that depression would be used by the rich to seize more power and destroy western governments even further. neoliberalism 2.
afaict, usa is a net importer of oil by maybe up to 7 million barrels per day. the usa is a net exporter of natural gas, though (biggest in the world).

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants

apatheticman posted:

I'm sure offloading all your manufacturing capacity to foreign nations then showing how callous and heartless you can be to them and those that look like them, while your economic and political rival does nothing will have few if no implications.

That doesn't count for people who own means of production. They'll be fine even as their countrymen and grinded into dust.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 18 days!)

Nonsense posted:

Posting BiBi just reads like Hitler, there's nothing there.

The Israeli volk shout their demand for totaler krieg!

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Hatebag posted:

a huge oil supply shock would be a bonanza for oil companies and then all other industries could price gouge as well. which would cause a global crash pretty similar to the opec one in the 70s, likely depress most of the worlds' economies. that depression would be used by the rich to seize more power and destroy western governments even further. neoliberalism 2.
afaict, usa is a net importer of oil by maybe up to 7 million barrels per day. the usa is a net exporter of natural gas, though (biggest in the world).

It would be crushing for the West, and therefore relatively okay for most of the rest of mankind. I think the US should do it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 18 days!)

https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1752308343895416845?s=20

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

she gave a lengthy, detailed response that was more generous and thorough than the initial message warranted IMO.

consider instead:

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Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Ardennes posted:

It would be crushing for the West, and therefore relatively okay for most of the rest of mankind. I think the US should do it.

well, there is the possibility that it could empower a theoretical hitler 3, so I'm not sure if i fully support it. but it would be a way to reduce fossil fuel use. possibly a mixed bag

Jove
Jun 18, 2004

He doesn't come to us...we go to him...BOW DOWN, SLAVE.
Holy poo poo. My union (a union of public defenders affiliated with the UAW) received a "request for information" from the House Committee on Education and the Workforce that reads straight out of HUAC.

quote:

On December 19, 2023, Local XXXX passed the “Resolution Calling for a Ceasefire in Gaza, an End to the Israeli Occupation of Palestine, and Support for Workers’ Political Speech” (hereinafter “Resolution”) supporting what is effectively an economic boycott of Israel. In this vote 570 voters opposed the Resolution. In addition to the positions adopted in it, the Resolution is concerning for its characterization of the October 7 terrorist attack on Israel, venturing only to refer to it as a “violent tragedy.” It is deplorable that this Resolution fails to condemn or even acknowledge Hamas’ role in the attack in any way, shape, or form.

Truly sick and disgusting poo poo. DTI, DTA.

Jove has issued a correction as of 16:06 on Jan 30, 2024

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Hatebag posted:

well, there is the possibility that it could empower a theoretical hitler 3, so I'm not sure if i fully support it. but it would be a way to reduce fossil fuel use. possibly a mixed bag

The US having a Hitler 3/4/5 etc is already baked in.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

If anyone else is finding it hard to keep up with the number of countries affirming their total complicity in the genocide against Palestinians, UN Watch keeps a handy list updated to celebrate their victory over humanitarian aid.

https://unwatch.org/updated-list-of-countries-suspending-unwra-funding/

Death By The Blues posted:

Honest to god, they believe it will be a cake wake

Don't try to entice me with cake, I shan't be attending.

SplitSoul has issued a correction as of 16:04 on Jan 30, 2024

Malloc Voidstar
May 7, 2007

Fuck the cowboys. Unf. Fuck em hard.

Jove posted:

Holy poo poo. My union (a union of public defenders affiliated with the UAW) received a "request for information" from the House Committee on Education and the Workforce that reads straight out of HUAC.



Truly sick and disgusting poo poo. DTI, DTA.
you edited the local # out of the first quote but not the second

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

SplitSoul posted:

If anyone else is finding it hard to keep up with the number of countries affirming their total complicity in the genocide against Palestinians, UN Watch keeps a handy list updated to celebrate their victory over humanitarian aid.

https://unwatch.org/updated-list-of-countries-suspending-unwra-funding/

Don't try to entice me with cake, I shan't be attending.

Its pretty much just the usual suspects.

alarumklok
Jun 30, 2012

yep, looks like the International Community is at it again (nazis)

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Edited

In Training has issued a correction as of 16:58 on Jan 30, 2024

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kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always


Free Palestine!

From, Hamas xxx

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