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TKs-Mantis isn't dead, MittenSquad is.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:TKs-Mantis isn't dead, MittenSquad is. sir handskefanden
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The song "Zip-a-dee-doo-dah" which Disney likes to spam everywhere, especially at their parks, is from their otherwise-memory-holed 1946 racist classic Song of the South. 
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Jan 29, 2024 15:12
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I'll believe you'll find it is whistled out of assholes
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Jan 29, 2024 15:15
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That explains why I didn't get any of the references at Splash Mountain
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Jan 29, 2024 15:57
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Porfiriato posted:The song "Zip-a-dee-doo-dah" which Disney likes to spam everywhere, especially at their parks, is from their otherwise-memory-holed 1946 racist classic Song of the South. I even had it on an old sing-along VHS (with footage included), which was definitely at the point where they knew they were never going to re-release the movie, but before the internet age where they had to really bury it. The tape also had "Beauty and the Beast" so I guess it probably came out shortly after that hit home video. Of course it's possible they cut out anything particularly problematic, but I gather it's more a matter of the whole movie feeling in poor taste, rather than specific moments. (They include the villain song from The Great Mouse Detective but omit the line about "widows and orphans you've drowned" which is pretty drat cold)
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Jan 29, 2024 18:45
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I don't think I ever had a VHS copy of Song of the South as a kid, but I know I had a little picture book and it might have been some kind of sing-a-long book with a record, if one of those existed for Song of the South? And the little book was still pretty racist. Like... it had the tar baby scenes including referring to it, many times, by that name. Granted, as a kid I had no idea it was even a slur. I actually never realized that was a slur until college, early 2000's. Just growing up a sheltered white boy in rural New England, I never heard the term at all. I think I heard a couple racist jokes that used the N word. but never the "lesser" slurs.
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Jan 29, 2024 18:56
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I saw it on Laserdisc! I was more excited by the Laserdisc.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:10
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I think there's some value behind the Anansi stories that led to Br'er Rabbit (yes, even that one), and there are interesting stories to tell about how those stories came to the American South and became Br'er Rabbit but Song Of The South isn't the way to do either of those things and it deserves to be buried forever.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:11
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Sir Lemming posted:I even had it on an old sing-along VHS (with footage included), which was definitely at the point where they knew they were never going to re-release the movie, but before the internet age where they had to really bury it. The tape also had "Beauty and the Beast" so I guess it probably came out shortly after that hit home video. Of course it's possible they cut out anything particularly problematic, but I gather it's more a matter of the whole movie feeling in poor taste, rather than specific moments. (They include the villain song from The Great Mouse Detective but omit the line about "widows and orphans you've drowned" which is pretty drat cold) I had that sing-along VHS but I also saw Song Of The South in its original uncut form (my older brother is a huge Disney fan and also a huge racist) and I can confirm that the sing-along version was a heavily edited attempt at whitewashing Disney history, cutting out all of the animated human characters and omitting any references to where the songs might have come from. All the other songs were attributed to their movies. I believe there was even some interstitial content with Briar Fox/Bear/Rabbit that was made specifically for that VHS. It was pretty weird, and Splash Mountain's theming is (was? I don't know if they've changed it yet) following the Sing-Along VHS' heavily modified storyline and barely has anything to do with Song of the South at all.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:17
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They're retheming it to Princess and the Frog, which is great and deserves the exposure.
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Jan 29, 2024 19:22
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Baron von Eevl posted:They're retheming it to Princess and the Frog, which is great and deserves the exposure. This is a potentially good move. Even as a child, I found the way Br'er Bear's swollen body is bound and suspended as grotesque and disturbing enough in the books I had, not to mention seeing it in person on the ride.  Honestly, the whole T__ B___ scene in the record+book I had was also disturbing, this idiotic character interacting with a clearly inanimate object, fighting it, becoming enveloped and ensnared by it, kinda weirded me out as a kid. doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 19:39 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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Jan 29, 2024 19:35
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That comes directly from the Anansi stories, it later becoming a racial slur is hosed. edit apparently it came from Native American folk stories and got absorbed into an Anansi story later Baron von Eevl has a new favorite as of 19:44 on Jan 29, 2024 |
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Jan 29, 2024 19:41
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DrBouvenstein posted:I don't think I ever had a VHS copy of Song of the South as a kid, but I know I had a little picture book and it might have been some kind of sing-a-long book with a record, if one of those existed for Song of the South? Yep, same. I had a cassette tape and accompanying picture book of the Br'er Rabbit story and never thought anything of it. One day my dad walked by while I was listening to it and went "Uh, you probably shouldn't listen to this. It's racist," and I was like what you got me this tape?
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Jan 29, 2024 20:22
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When I was in elementary school, before school started, we all lined up outside, and would sing songs and do the Pledge of Allegiance. Zippidy-doo-dah was one of those songs. I'm just now realizing how kinda hosed up that seems
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Jan 29, 2024 20:32
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I don't know what it was, but I definitely grew up with a VHS that had a compilation of all the animated scenes from Song of the South. When I finally watched the movie, a few years ago, I was like HOLY poo poo THESE CARTOONS! I REMEMBER THESE CARTOONS! But I'd definitely never seen the live action segments.
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Jan 29, 2024 22:04
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I had this one as a kid and found a lot of it creepy as hell. 
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Jan 29, 2024 22:26
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LOL when I was a kid we had this Disney 'play and read' record + book set  Porfiriato posted:The song "Zip-a-dee-doo-dah" which Disney likes to spam everywhere, especially at their parks, is from their otherwise-memory-holed 1946 racist classic Song of the South. Of course they're proud of it, it won the Academy Award for 'best original song' in 1947 
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Jan 30, 2024 00:10
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Honestly the song is fine by itself, it's about how it's a nice day and you feel happy, that's it. It's about as vague and disconnected from the rest of the movie as any Disney song has ever been since like the song Cinderella sings while cleaning.
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Jan 30, 2024 00:16
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Baron von Eevl posted:Honestly the song is fine by itself, it's about how it's a nice day and you feel happy, that's it. It's about as vague and disconnected from the rest of the movie as any Disney song has ever been since like the song Cinderella sings while cleaning. It skirts aaaaaaaaawfully close to olde timey minstrel songs without overtly crossing the line. "Zip" is not a random nonsense word, there's history there Disney actually removed the 'Zip a dee doo dah' line from its parade soundtrack last year and also cut the song from the Downtown Disney music loop in 2020 and from the carousel soundtrack in 2021
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Jan 30, 2024 01:16
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It skirts aaaaaaaaawfully close to olde timey minstrel songs without overtly crossing the line. "Zip" is not a random nonsense word, there's history there "You hear him google google google google gollar." How did they know?!?
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It skirts aaaaaaaaawfully close to olde timey minstrel songs without overtly crossing the line. "Zip" is not a random nonsense word, there's history there Ah poo poo, didn't know that. Pretty sus!
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:LOL when I was a kid we had this Disney 'play and read' record + book set Snowglobe of Doom posted:It skirts aaaaaaaaawfully close to olde timey minstrel songs without overtly crossing the line. "Zip" is not a random nonsense word, there's history there yikes doctorfrog has a new favorite as of 06:46 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Camptown Races is also one of those “you’re gonna sigh when you read the history” songs
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I sat down with a guy at the bar, and he said in a Southern accent, "Haven't seen you in a coon's age. You know that's not racist, right?" Well, it feels like it somehow became racist by that followup. The same way, a friend offered to buy me a shot of some drink with milk in it. I said I had to pass because I'm vegan, and her date said, "Hey man, no judgment." Which just... makes it feel like there is judgment, by virtue of you saying so?
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credburn posted:I sat down with a guy at the bar, and he said in a Southern accent, "Haven't seen you in a coon's age. You know that's not racist, right?" A decade or so ago, I was having a smoke in my parents’ backyard, and suddenly noticed the neighbour on his roof. He yelled out “Hey man! I’m not spying on you, don’t worry!” Like yeah dude, I wouldn’t have thought you were, but now that you say it…
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credburn posted:I sat down with a guy at the bar, and he said in a Southern accent, "Haven't seen you in a coon's age. You know that's not racist, right?" I know exactly what you mean. I've got no clue where folks learned to think of that as a disarming thing to say.
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Leave posted:When I was in elementary school, before school started, we all lined up outside, and would sing songs and do the Pledge of Allegiance. Zippidy-doo-dah was one of those songs. Wow why did you do that? Sounds like you were racist kids!
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Jan 30, 2024 09:28
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Ugh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Folks_at_Home Just pick another song, you fuckers. Don't keep it and change the lyrics.
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Jan 30, 2024 09:47
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Change every national anthem to Toni Basil’s Mickey https://youtu.be/JZEdtcnnO80
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PYFTYJR: Toni Basil's Mickey is a genderswapped cover of the UK band Racey's song Kitty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3JxiB4FLjU
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Jan 30, 2024 10:07
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Hyperlynx posted:Ugh. It wasn't until 2008 that Florida changed the lyrics of their state song to not include slurs, including, ugh (slurs) darkeys longing for the plantation Florida sux!
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Jan 30, 2024 10:22
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teen witch posted:Change every national anthem to Toni Basil’s Mickey Toni Basil's Mickey or Avril Lavigne's Girlfriend. I will not be taking any questions
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:PYFTYJR: Toni Basil's Mickey is a genderswapped cover of the UK band Racey's song Kitty I genuinely did not know this. The one I usually smugly drop on people is that Cyndi Lauper's Girls Just Want To Have Fun is a somewhat more female-friendly cover/version of a pretty good power pop song by Robert Hazard. e: https://youtu.be/5aLNwOxPsjg?feature=shared Phlegmish has a new favorite as of 15:15 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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credburn posted:I sat down with a guy at the bar, and he said in a Southern accent, "Haven't seen you in a coon's age. You know that's not racist, right?" The first one is definitely racist. The second one is something I've definitely reflexively, awkwardly, said in response to something like 'oh I'm vegan'. It's less an intentionally disarming thing to say and more that sometimes brains are dumb when you don't know how to reply, at least for me. Like when the waiter says 'Enjoy your food' and you reply 'You too' then hate yourself.
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Jan 30, 2024 16:04
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the raccoon one predates the racial slur, a fact that I just learned. I prefer "dog's age" for various reasons (including that one)
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what came first, "see a man about a horse" or "see a man about a dog?"
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dog: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/4715/origin-and-exact-meaning-of-the-phrase-i-have-to-go-see-a-man-about-a-dog#4716 I'm learning a lot today
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Phlegmish posted:I genuinely did not know this.
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Ommin posted:I didn't know either of these. I am also learning a lot today. 
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