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Who wants to buy a house? Half price and half built.
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They're going to finish building it, right?
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Cactus Ghost posted:also idk if this is the case with those particular clothes but in some cases "traditional clothing" is not only beloved by fascists, but made up by them too with only the most tenuous connection to anything ever actually worn by anyone  
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Even just scratching the surface of China's economy has so much shady poo poo going along with way more debt than it lets on. loving trilllions of it.
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Jan 29, 2024 22:58
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peeps dealt with it when there was money to be made. however the game of musical chairs has ended
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Jan 29, 2024 23:07
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it shall continue, imo!
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just paying a little tribute to one of the all time conservative greats, “chief” red cloud https://crosscut.com/2016/12/native-american-nazi-chief-red-cloud-elwood-tanner
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Are there tankie equivalents in China? People who irrationally side against China in every conflict? Churchill did nothing wrong, etc?
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thetoughestbean posted:Are there tankie equivalents in China? People who irrationally side against China in every conflict? Churchill did nothing wrong, etc? I don’t think those people have access to any sort of internet.
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thetoughestbean posted:Are there tankie equivalents in China? People who irrationally side against China in every conflict? Churchill did nothing wrong, etc? Siding against China IN China? Those people are going to vanish very fast.
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MarcusSA posted:I don’t think those people have access to any sort of sunshine, fresh air, or conversation that's not through a sheet of plexiglass via a monitored phone.
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they vanish to san francisco, which is why nancy pelosi has to have the attitudes she does against the prc and roc
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I think people like that tend to move out of China as quickly as they can, the more vocal of them becoming expatriate dissidents and going on long angry YouTube rants. Edit: I don't pay too much attention myself but my boomer mom does and it turns out that when you listen to a lot of angry Chinese expatriates the community tends to align with anyone at all who's anti-China which is how you get Chinese Trump supporters, because he's showing that bastard Xi what for! Tomn fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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oh yeah this chinese new year family dinner is gonna be interesting, the old man's pro prc along with half of his brothers and the other half are anti china, but they can all agree biden is too old and trump's probably gonna win
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thetoughestbean posted:Are there tankie equivalents in China? People who irrationally side against China in every conflict? Churchill did nothing wrong, etc? Anti-China in China, no. Pro-Churchill, yes. I once had to give a quick and dirty explanation of the British Parliamentary system to a confused Chinese friend who didn't understand how the British could be so disloyal as to choose someone else as Prime Minister after WWII.
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Going to be interesting to see how the liquidation of Evergrande plays out. WIll China allow the companies onshore stuff be part of the liquidation or not is the big one. Allowing it will have problems internally with continued building etc or not allowing it will have ramifications going forward with investments from abroad. The government could bail out Evergrande and other development companies but it looks like they aren't going to do that.
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thetoughestbean posted:Are there tankie equivalents in China? People who irrationally side against China in every conflict? Churchill did nothing wrong, etc? corresponding historically-loaded term is 带路党, I suppose
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Tai posted:The government could bail out Evergrande and other development companies but it looks like they aren't going to do that. A bail out would be dumb as hell since a ton of Evergrande's cash debts got bought up by outside-of-china investors at steep discounts. It'd be a direct transfer of money to rich assholes. Investors always claim poo poo like "oh no we can't trust you, that means we won't invest in your country anymore" but they are loving liars. Nationalization would be better, to do things like complete some of the construction projects (keep paying the construction companies, deliver apartments to small investors) and cancel some (return some money to small investors). Tell everyone else to take a hike. Their property bubble is popping hard but that would at least be a little help. But that makes everyone unhappy, and the rich people very unhappy. And Evergrande is really just the biggest drop in the bucket for China's overall problem.
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Klyith posted:
Badly worded by me but this is what I meant as a bail out. Make sure people who have paid for a house actually get a house or a refund. Also make it illegal to buy a house that isn't 100% built. So much debt on imaginary houses is one of the dumbest things China has allowed to happen.
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ronya posted:corresponding historically-loaded term is 带路党, I suppose wikipedia gives 走资派 for anyone whose guoyu has gotten rusty
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hypnophant posted:wikipedia gives 走资派 for anyone whose guoyu has gotten rusty that's gotten quite dicey since the early 2010s; the very online nationalists nowadays do not shout that China will never become powerful unless it brings big character posters and mass actions back 带路党 on the other hand gets at the campist "any country but mine" nuance directly compare 反日亡国論
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thetoughestbean posted:Are there tankie equivalents in China? People who irrationally side against China in every conflict? Churchill did nothing wrong, etc? On that note, are there Chinese monarchists anywhere at all? It seems like the best crazies in Germany and Russia are those yearning for the return of the emperor.
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nationalize it imo
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I find it never-endingly amusing that this is basically the US and Vietnam now Everyone I met in Vietnam was really nice. I guess it's hard to be mad at the bully you punched in the nose and made cry back in high school
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Nenonen posted:On that note, are there Chinese monarchists anywhere at all? It seems like the best crazies in Germany and Russia are those yearning for the return of the emperor. I think part of the problem with that is that the last dynasty was Manchu and nobody is going to get remotely anywhere suggesting we bring back a Manchurian emperor, while the Ming was so long ago (and the Qing pretty good at wiping it out) that any claim to the bloodline would be absurdly specious at best and nobody has particularly clear generational memories of the dynasty, so you're not going to get the same kind of Hohenzollern/Hapsburg/Romanov nostalgia. Besides, most of the time it's less sexy to restore an old dynasty than to proclaim a new one, so if there ARE any Chinese monarchists I imagine what they'll be calling for is for all to hail the Xi dynasty, ten thousand years may it reign. Edit: For what it's worth I've never heard of any Chinese monarchists. Tomn fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Tomn posted:I think part of the problem with that is that the last dynasty was Manchu and nobody is going to get remotely anywhere suggesting we bring back a Manchurian emperor, while the Ming was so long ago (and the Qing pretty good at wiping it out) that any claim to the bloodline would be absurdly specious at best and nobody has particularly clear generational memories of the dynasty, so you're not going to get the same kind of Hohenzollern/Hapsburg/Romanov nostalgia. 百亩森林万年！
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Isn't a Chinese tankie just someone really pro-Tiananmen crackdown?
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mobby_6kl posted:Isn't a Chinese tankie just someone really pro-Tiananmen crackdown? Usually an American who thinks China is left wing.
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Tai posted:Usually an American who thinks China is left wing. 1) a ruling party which self-labels as "communist" 2) opposition to the Amerikkkan empire Anyone who would question this by pointing to supposed injustices is clearly just a running dog for the CIA, cynically exploring bourgeois liberal imperialist values around things like "worker's rights" and "freedom of expression". A perfect communist society need not be judged under such a distorted lens.
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Also on the subject of Chinese monarchism, Happy upcoming Year of the Dragon everyone!
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ElGroucho posted:Everyone I met in Vietnam was really nice. I guess it's hard to be mad at the bully you punched in the nose and made cry back in high school Especially when another bully is nearby.
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Cugel the Clever posted:B-b-b-but China possesses the two essential characteristics of left-wing politics as outlined by Marx in Das Kapital, vol. 7, page 693: Yeah, the communist quest in Disco Elysium was great
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Tomn posted:Besides, most of the time it's less sexy to restore an old dynasty than to proclaim a new one, so if there ARE any Chinese monarchists I imagine what they'll be calling for is for all to hail the Xi dynasty, ten thousand years may it reign.
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I feel like a Chinese monarchist would just be a Xi stan
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It's an autocrat same poo poo
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his daughter went to harvard and lives in america so it would extremely funny if it was actually monarchical and he croaked
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