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dr_rat posted:Aren't a lot of the big spender insane libertarian and dominionist billionaires apparently thinking of just sitting this one out? The remaining koch bro was really trying to make haley happen i think, he probably already soured on the upticket
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Staluigi posted:The remaining koch bro was really trying to make haley happen i think, he probably already soured on the upticket
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Staluigi posted:The remaining koch bro was really trying to make haley happen i think, he probably already soured on the upticket aren't there two remaining Koch bros but one of them just mills around being rich and collecting castles
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Google Jeb Bush posted:aren't there two remaining Koch bros but one of them just mills around being rich and collecting castles
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Google Jeb Bush posted:aren't there two remaining Koch bros but one of them just mills around being rich and collecting castles Yup, Charles (the super-duper evil one) and Bill (regular evil billionaire who doesn't actively attempt to destroy the world).
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socialsecurity posted:If a lawyer knowing/working with the judge 30 years ago was grounds for dismissal than like over 50% of cases out there would be tossed. The firm in question is one of those huge law firms that take up multiple floors of very swanky office buildings that hire hundreds of people yearly right out of law school. If those two met in the elevator once or twice thirty years ago it might be surprising.
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A Handy Guide to Koch: Charles: the Paul of Libertarianism David: Funds Nova and theater (dead) Bill: Wine scam mark
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Fred: The one they forced out for being gay
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Bar Ran Dun posted:A Handy Guide to Koch: How can you forget Wyatt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ41JGJGxYs
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Bar Ran Dun posted:A Handy Guide to Koch: Wine fraud is an ancient and hilarious crime.
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SimonChris posted:How can you forget Wyatt? He’s the next generation. He didn’t get the: “poo poo on schedule or you’re getting an enema” childhood. So he’s just a relatively regular inherited wealth rich person.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:So he’s just a relatively regular inherited wealth rich person. https://x.com/Merman_Melville/status/1088527693757349888?s=20
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I'm reminded of how Notch, a guy with enough money to fill his house with escorts permanently, became an incel. Wealth breaks your brain so badly you don't even know how to use it to be happy- bigger number is your happiness now Edit at below: they have shrinks whose whole job it is to tell those people not to feel guilty about it The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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The Islamic Shock posted:I'm reminded of how Notch, a guy with enough money to fill his house with escorts permanently, became an incel. Wealth breaks your brain so badly you don't even know how to use it to be happy- bigger number is your happiness now He went from espousing progressive values about gay and trans people in Minecraft to furiously ranting online about SJWs and crying into his rotting candy dispenser.
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The Islamic Shock posted:I'm reminded of how Notch, a guy with enough money to fill his house with escorts permanently, became an incel. Wealth breaks your brain so badly you don't even know how to use it to be happy- bigger number is your happiness now If someone wants to give me that much money, I'm prepared to test that theory.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:If someone wants to give me that much money, I'm prepared to test that theory. Mostly on the escorts though, like I'd keep more money than I can use
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Are there no limits to the way campaign funds can be used for legal fees? I can understand how paying the lawyers may be tangentially related to the campaign, but if Trump is allowed to use the campaign funds to pay the judgement fees to Carroll then that seems like clear personal-use of the funds. Is that really allowed?
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Agreed, But rich and the angry German nurse is gonna flush you out till you poo poo right, is still like a worse category. Then Dad is gonna make you literally fight for dominance. Privilege will gently caress one up. Abuse/privilege will gently caress one up worse. The older Kochs got the abuse/privilege. There’s some wild stuff in Son’s of Wichita.
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saltylopez posted:Are there no limits to the way campaign funds can be used for legal fees? I can understand how paying the lawyers may be tangentially related to the campaign, but if Trump is allowed to use the campaign funds to pay the judgement fees to Carroll then that seems like clear personal-use of the funds. Is that really allowed? I think there are laws in place but the thing about Trump is any laws that are in place he just ignores and waits for the slow wheel of justice to fail to catch up with him. Hence why this thread takes extreme joy in watching the wheel finally catch ones of his toes under it.
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saltylopez posted:Is that really allowed? At what point has that ever stopped him?
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saltylopez posted:Are there no limits to the way campaign funds can be used for legal fees? I can understand how paying the lawyers may be tangentially related to the campaign, but if Trump is allowed to use the campaign funds to pay the judgement fees to Carroll then that seems like clear personal-use of the funds. Is that really allowed? At this point he is functionally immune to additional criminal charges. A year from now he will either be in jail for the rest of his life or President and pardoning himself.
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saltylopez posted:Are there no limits to the way campaign funds can be used for legal fees? I can understand how paying the lawyers may be tangentially related to the campaign, but if Trump is allowed to use the campaign funds to pay the judgement fees to Carroll then that seems like clear personal-use of the funds. Is that really allowed? Actual campaign funds can't be used for legal fees, but he's not paying his lawyers with campaign funds. He's paying them from a non-campaign PAC (Save America PAC), which isn't legally allowed to spend money on direct campaign expenses (though it can pay for some indirect expenses, such as polling and travel). There's absolutely no legal problem with him spending PAC money on his legal fees or other personal expenses, but he can't spend that PAC money on his campaign. Tesseraction posted:I think there are laws in place but the thing about Trump is any laws that are in place he just ignores and waits for the slow wheel of justice to fail to catch up with him. Hence why this thread takes extreme joy in watching the wheel finally catch ones of his toes under it. Hieronymous Alloy posted:At this point he is functionally immune to additional criminal charges. A year from now he will either be in jail for the rest of his life or President and pardoning himself. bird food bathtub posted:At what point has that ever stopped him? It took maybe thirty seconds for me to research the actual answer to the question. If you don't know the answer, maybe cool your jets a bit and try looking up the answers for the questions rather than just making up the answer out of whole cloth.
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Practically speaking, the chuds are just giving money to Trump. The fact this is election adjacent seems barely relevant at this point.
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The only value of going after Trump for campaign finance violations is the ability to ban him from campaigning however since the election is this year in a few months there is no chance the case could come before the election yeah I have to agree he can pretty much crime away nothing is going to stop him he is going for god king or bust at this point.Main Paineframe posted:Actual campaign funds can't be used for legal fees, but he's not paying his lawyers with campaign funds. He's paying them from a non-campaign PAC (Save America PAC), which isn't legally allowed to spend money on direct campaign expenses (though it can pay for some indirect expenses, such as polling and travel). There's absolutely no legal problem with him spending PAC money on his legal fees or other personal expenses, but he can't spend that PAC money on his campaign. edit: sorry misunderstood what you wrote I am an idiot. edit 2: Wow reading more about Leadership pacs and the FEC ruling last year in 2023 is they are legal slush funds now lol despite the fact that were not created to work this way so yikes. Guess it's legal now to openly bribe a politician through their leadership pac as a lobbyist. Vire fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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One of the few things we provably know about Trump's finances is that he routinely and reflexively lies about them and has instructed his servitors to do the same. We also know he has previously used charities as his own private piggy bank. It is extraordinarily foolish to accept any attestation by Trump or his underlings as true or accurate.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One of the few things we provably know about Trump's finances is that he routinely and reflexively lies about them and has instructed his servitors to do the same. We also know he has previously used charities as his own private piggy bank. This is not limited to his finances, either. It's pretty incredulous to me that anyone gives him any benefit of the doubt for any factual statement.
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saintonan posted:This is not limited to his finances, either. It's pretty incredulous to me that anyone gives him any benefit of the doubt for any factual statement. Not just because he's a liar, but also really stupid. Fucker still thinks passing a cognitive test is some achievement.
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So it seems that the "conflict of interest" suddenly and very quickly resolved itself when Ms Carrol's lawyers called out Habba's nonsense:kazil posted:
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saintonan posted:This is not limited to his finances, either. It's pretty incredulous to me that anyone gives him any benefit of the doubt for any factual statement. Exactly. Like if he claims he tied his own shoes this morning the only actual information that gives you is that for some reason he believes there is enough doubt on that question that he needs to make a statement about it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:One of the few things we provably know about Trump's finances is that he routinely and reflexively lies about them and has instructed his servitors to do the same. We also know he has previously used charities as his own private piggy bank. Yes, he is lying...to his supporters, who are generally much easier to deceive than the FEC is. When they click the "Donate to Trump" button, they're not actually donating directly to his campaign (they'd know this if they read the fine print, but who does that?). They're donating to a joint fundraising committee, a legal entity used for splitting political donations among multiple recipients. That committee divides up those donations between the Donald Trump campaign fund, the Save America PAC, and the Make America Great Again PAC, with the exact split depending on how hard up each org for cash is at the moment (this mostly means periodically increasing the amount going to Save America PAC, which has had some trouble keeping up with his ballooning legal expenses). In turn, the Save America PAC pays for all his legal expenses...and while it used to pay for other things too, its expenses have been increasingly dominated by legal expenses. All of this is completely legal and above-board. It's still worth noting though, because this is money that otherwise would have gone to his campaign but is instead being spent on legal bills. There's nothing illegal about doing it this way, but it does mean that he's going to have less money for campaigning than he otherwise would.
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Kinda amazing that none of Trump's supporters have stopped to ask why the billionaire would give a poo poo about getting their money. Yes they don't stop to ask anything about anything that doesn't match what they want to believe under the tiniest scrutiny but if I'd think they'd care a tiny bit more since most people want to believe they should have more money.
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It kind of doesn’t matter if Trump steals all the down ballot campaign funds as long as his voters turn out in November. They are all voting straight R down the ticket anyway.
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Murgos posted:It kind of doesn’t matter if Trump steals all the down ballot campaign funds as long as his voters turn out in November. He'd be ensuring that all of the GOP's eggs are in a basket that's been indicted 90+ times and counting.
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Xiahou Dun posted:He'd be ensuring that all of the GOP's eggs are in a basket that's been indicted 90+ times and counting. If they don't keep the indictment count over 90 the GOP bus explodes.
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You still need money to organize or get out the vote. A lukewarm Trump supporter who doesn't make it to the booth could have with the right push. A place where Trump is guaranteed not to win, or where he isn't on the ballot, could decimate the down ticket.
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Main Paineframe posted:Yes, he is lying...to his supporters, who are generally much easier to deceive than the FEC is. Right, my point is that even that is just what he claims he's doing. Just because you've caught one layer of lies doesn't mean there isn't another further layer of additional lies under that. For example, here, it is absolutely possible that the people running the PAC are just outright stealing money from the PAC and putting it somewhere else where Trump can access it personally. He's done it before, that's why he's not allowed to run a charity in New York state any more. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/nyregion/ny-ag-underwood-trump-foundation.html If you see Trump hand a ten dollar bill to patient in a burn ward you have to check under the bandages to make sure that patient isn't just Eric Trump in a bad Halloween costume. And then go back and make sure it wasn't a counterfeit bill. Every word they say is a lie, including "the". This is the mistake I think a lot of people make when dealing with Trump personally. They think they catch the easy lies so how could this guy fool me? I've already seem through him! And the answer is *everything* he says is a lie. You can't catch the lie and find the hidden truth underneath; he's a lie elemental. It's all lies all the way down. It's simple and stupid and it works because nobody can believe how utterly depraved he is all the way through. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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