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a neat cape posted:Chargers definitely need a center https://x.com/BillyM_91/status/1752369591131525175?s=20
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Is there a more obviously going to be successful OL name then Powers-Johnson?
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Not a very good O-line name and I think he's being a bit overrated right now. You definitely want him as a run blocker but the guy is immobile having to turn at all. I don't think fans love immobile centers anymore considering 95% of the football world thinks Kelce is a first ballot hall of famer for whatever reason
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Doltos posted:Not a very good O-line name and I think he's being a bit overrated right now. You definitely want him as a run blocker but the guy is immobile having to turn at all. I don't think fans love immobile centers anymore considering 95% of the football world thinks Kelce is a first ballot hall of famer for whatever reason First ballot HoF beard
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Left Guard, Girth - Rod, Alabama
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we'll just head this off at the pass with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpiP_jN1Pv4 I need to go find the trench battle channel I watched a few hours of last year pre-draft, did great work discussing the various techniques and finer points of the OL v DL battles
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https://x.com/ff_dirtymike/status/1752373212053123445?s=46 Also Tez Walker is off to a shaky start
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https://x.com/Pro__Ant/status/1752368657945035237?s=20 Deebo Jr? E: https://x.com/DillySanders/status/1752375516588290537?s=20 I need him.
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Good draft to need an OT for once. Jeremiah's rankings: 9 (Joe Alt) 11 12 13 16 17 18 https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2024-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-1-0
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trevorreznik posted:Yeah, my big takeaway from that chart is it's really worth moving around in the bottom of the first if the BPA at the current draft position also fills a void on your team, but going up into the top 5 is very foolish. Belichick is on record saying all teams use the same chart as each other (though probably a different one) so no real chance to fleece anybody. I'd argue that makes it the situation with the highest likelihood of fleecing someone, if you recognize that there's an inherent flaw in the chart, because everyone else will think you're the chump.
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kalensc posted:I'd argue that makes it the situation with the highest likelihood of fleecing someone, if you recognize that there's an inherent flaw in the chart, because everyone else will think you're the chump. That's what happened. Teams used to use the Jimmy Johnson chart, analytics work happened, and smarter teams started valuing stuff closer to that Rich Hill chart, and as far as I know, that's what's in use now generally.
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Nosre posted:Good draft to need an OT for once. Jeremiah's rankings: (Extremely sincerely): you love to see it 
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I get that there are great OT prospects in this draft class but I find it odd that Olu has slipped so much. I don’t think there’s a compelling case for anyone (other than Alt) to be a better LT prospect.
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The Rich Hill chart when used in comparison to someone using the Jimmy Johnson, seems to always always always value trading down. No exceptions. Never trade up.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I get that there are great OT prospects in this draft class but I find it odd that Olu has slipped so much. Taliese is starting to get mocked before Olu
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Rich Hill chart when used in comparison to someone using the Jimmy Johnson, seems to always always always value trading down. I think the Rich Hill chart is more correct than the Jimmy Johnson chart. The main confounding factor comes from Blue Chip QB prospects in which case the top picks skyrocket in value. If I was owner/GM, I’d almost always trade out of the top 8 unless I needed QB or LT (and maaaaybe WR).
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Taliese is starting to get mocked before Olu I’ve noticed and it’s “effed” up!!!
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I’ve noticed and it’s “effed” up!!! To be fair, I see the vision. Taliese is owning at the Senior Bowl
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I think the Rich Hill chart is more correct than the Jimmy Johnson chart. Yeah in this case anyone trading up for MHJ would be massively wrong in value. Basically only ever trade up for a QB.
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wandler20 posted:https://twitter.com/Nate_Tice/status/1752010322356093057?t=jS_MntSPaAORF0g00fNxMg&s=19 I also howl at power Johnsons 
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I get that there are great OT prospects in this draft class but I find it odd that Olu has slipped so much. You're right if you're just looking at left tackles, but the right tackles are just really good.. While Olu is absolutely beautiful to watch in pass protection his run game blocking is mediocre. Alt is nearly as proficient at pass protection and miles ahead in the run game. Fuaga is the same thing but on the right side: a half step behind in pass protection, but an absolute wrecking ball in the run game. Then there's Mims who's my #3, who just might be the best tackle in the draft. he doesn't have much film but what he does have is insane. He moves so ridiculously well for a guy that big and his jab is lethal. It's not really a knock on Olu, I'd love to have him, it's a stacked class. People are bit higher on Latham than I am Gareth Gobulcoque fucked around with this message at 00:38 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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https://x.com/dpbrugler/status/1752474839875526976?s=46 Legette and Tez Walker had rough days today.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:I get that there are great OT prospects in this draft class but I find it odd that Olu has slipped so much. Jordan Reid said he polled a handful of scouts about who the best prospect was at the Senior Bowl and they all said Tyler Guyton. No Alt/Olu there but it's definitely interesting that he was the consensus pick going in over Fuaga at OT (and the consensus top prospect over Latu and everyone else). Seems like the order the OTs come off the board could still be super fluid
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Olu is still fine and properly rated, I think. It's just that the first 10 or so picks this draft all have huge ceilings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcdEo0rR48 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nqyhdv5bV8 He has a bit of trouble with pass rushing moves and blocking at the second level since he plays so wide. Tuimoloau was kinda giving him fits since he wasn't engaging with the block which Olu relies on in his technique. He sets back in his stance and absorbs while using his arms, which is great if people stay locked in with you but can be susceptible to speed rushers and shifty guys. You'll see him not quite beat speed rushers turning the edge on him which means at the NFL level he's going to have to deal with people who can corner him while also making something out of the move. Michigan was also beating him hard on disguised blitz's which he consistently bit on the inside block instead of taking the outside rusher without having the RB on his side which is just bad. He might as well be non-existent in the second level since he doesn't go out and get people with his technique either. His technique is so sound that I think it hurts him at times. I don't think he's good at improvising his block like Joe Alt. Alt will bend and move and work with who's fighting him. There's a noticeable difference how both of them dealt with Tuimoloau's moves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1bXzOvYS7o Olu's definitely great at taking initial pass rush. He's got good clamps and his arm use keeps people from getting inside him usually. If the block is clear he's good at switching targets to a second target after he completes his first block. More importantly he's huge. It's hard to overlook a 6'6 guy with a great first step and functional core strength which is why people correctly have him as a ceiling pick instead of a floor pick. There's nothing to say he won't pick up the knack but right now I'd rather have Alt every single time.
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Also side point beware crowning people based on senior bowl matchups. Huge parts of OL and DL play are dependent on what people around you are doing. It's the same reason why some NBA players smoke each other in practice but aren't as good in game settings. Your blocks completely change based on the direction of the play and what other OL is doing around you. Also DL/OL play is a constant battle all game waiting for a breaking point. You can completely smoke someone in practice on either side and the same play in game could result in nothing or a huge play depending on whats happening around it. Same thing kind of applies to WR/CB matchups. They're a little bit more legit in pressing and man coverage but again drills miss zone and stack coverage. They can show you how well a guy sticks to the person directly in front of them with no help but the league rarely runs full on Raiders' man coverage from the Al Davis era. Even the best man corners will have safety help over the top to gamble on moves.
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Put in for my annual draft day off work, don't have a pick. Don't give a fuuuuuuuck. At least I'll be able to spend plenty of time looking at the BPA after the first with some level of excitement.
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Again that's a problem with senior bowl 1 on 1 matchups. Sweat is 6'4 360. There's no way in hell that a college OL is big enough to block that 1 on 1. Even in the NFL Sweat will probably be getting double teams just because of his size. OGs shade inside against NTs for a reason.
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Doltos posted:Again that's a problem with senior bowl 1 on 1 matchups. Sweat is 6'4 360. There's no way in hell that a college OL is big enough to block that 1 on 1. Even in the NFL Sweat will probably be getting double teams just because of his size. OGs shade inside against NTs for a reason. I mean yes, but it is very very funny
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Yo, where do we think Brendan Rice will go in this draft? He'd be an awesome fit in Baltimore as a reliable 3rd option who can move the chains and fits the Lamar scramble drill beautifully.
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i want to draft that player. the 360 pound fellow. don't draft him in the first 17 picks. that's more than fair
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EmbryoSteve posted:If the hawks aren't gonna make a play for Jayde Daniel's I would love a magical trade down and drafting of sweat. We need a big ol boy I'm the center so bad I love ‘em big
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