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All the mechanisms that speed up free agency signings by placing restrictions on top end salaries, are anti labor. Period. People have just explained to you how suppressing the top player salaries has knock on effects for all players. No one is suggesting that ensuring no restrictions on top salaries is the best way to increase compensation for the lowest paid players. Obviously there are more direct mechanisms to do that. But these things aren’t mutually exclusive. The union can fight to raise minimums (and unionize the minor leagues!) while also fighting restrictions on top contracts. Some might call this concept Solidarity.
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bawfuls posted:All the mechanisms that speed up free agency signings by placing restrictions on top end salaries, are anti labor. Period. People have just explained to you how suppressing the top player salaries has knock on effects for all players. If you fight to raise minimums and the owners' answer is to wipe out half of the affiliated minor leagues, there's also less competition for you in the long run because they've just potentially washed out guys who might compete with you for roster spots at some point. Win/Win, motherfucker!
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aaaaa this pic sent me down one hell of a forgotten memory rabbit hole
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live with fruit posted:What percentage of the league does this even benefit? Three percent? Considering that there are over 700 players in the majors at a given time, it can't be a significant amount. Meanwhile, the union does the bare minimum to protect more vulnerable players. Blake Snell only getting 33 a year instead of 35 doesn't seem like some huge loss for labor in America. What is the term "this" referring to, Boras clients holding out for superior offers? If so, I'm unsure what that has to do with the rest of the post. Boras is an agent, unrelated to the player's union. Not critiquing the take that the union heads and most influential players have weakened their position in recent decades, I'm just confused by the abrupt tangent I guess.
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kalensc posted:What is the term "this" referring to, Boras clients holding out for superior offers? The MLB system, in contrast with the NBA system.
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Inspector_666 posted:It also ups the QO. Considering almost no one takes the QO, this doesn't do much
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Considering almost no one takes the QO, this doesn't do much The QO also sucks for player compensation. Obviously, teams aren't going to blink at giving up draft pick compensation for signing an elite-tier free agent. But those mid-tier, non-superstar players? Suddenly teams get wary about coughing up a first-round pick to sign them, which depresses those players' contract offers.
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Jan 31, 2024 00:08
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Whoa, congrats Baltimore fans. https://x.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1752470568442450047?s=20
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Jan 31, 2024 00:20
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live with fruit posted:The MLB system, in contrast with the NBA system. When every team can offer Lebron James or Kevin Durrant or any other superstar the exact same contract, these guys will pick their team based on where their friends are playing or who has the most stacked roster to chase rings. If MLB implemented a max contract, the Dodgers would sign even more of the best players. All that would do is save Mark Walter some money.
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I’m guessing the sale won’t go through in time for the Orioles to sign any of the top free agent pitchers this winter. One last “gently caress you” from Angelos on the way out the door.
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drat congrats Orioles fans.
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Criminal Minded posted:Whoa, congrats Baltimore fans. FREE AT LAST FREE AT LAST HALLELUJAH WE'RE FREE AT LAST bawfuls posted:I’m guessing the sale won’t go through in time for the Orioles to sign any of the top free agent pitchers this winter. The article says there's no timetable for the deal to close, the two PE billionaires will only hold 40 percent of the team until the old geezer finally carks it, and they need to figure out what the hell is going to happen with MASN, so I wouldn't expect operational control to change until a year from now at the soonest.
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lol one of the billionaires is behind the mobile home evictions featured on Last Week Tonight.
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One of them founded the Carlyle Group and did 9/11
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You can not have a ceiling without having a floor. This is why the union beats the drum about the Pirates and Ray's more than anything else. Likewise, it's why ownership will point to record contracts to the smallest crowd of elites as proof that the system is actually fine.
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bawfuls posted:the NBA system wildly distorts player compensation and is also really bad for competitive balance. Isn't parity high in the NBA right now?
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Poque posted:lol one of the billionaires is behind the mobile home evictions featured on Last Week Tonight. ABAB
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live with fruit posted:Isn't parity high in the NBA right now? Look at the list of NBA Finals teams since 2015 and then ask that question again.
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Bregor posted:ABAB Yes, many of them are assigned billionaire at birth. 99% top tax rate now!
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Holy poo poo we're free from John Angelos
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Criminal Minded posted:Whoa, congrats Baltimore fans. out of the fire and into the frying pan for O's fans. love to get bought by PE freaks
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As much as I hate Peter Angelos for systematically destroying the club one a decade after it finally gets good, is this something I should be excited about? Should I be cautiously optimistic or ecstatic?
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Criminal Minded posted:Whoa, congrats Baltimore fans. guess this is why Baltimore hasnt done anything so far though PE might somehow be worse than Angelos'
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I would assume nothing changes until it does. A pair of PE execs isn't like Cohen and the Mets.
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Orioles going into liquidation in within 5 years and get the branding bought out by some sketchy e-commerce company.
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live with fruit posted:Isn't parity high in the NBA right now? October baseball is barely more than random and that helps give baseball a lot of parity when it comes to who plays in and wins the championship. In basketball an elite team is likely to make repeated title runs because they just don’t randomly get bounced in earlier rounds. No one has won back to back World Series since the Yankees did it in 99-00. Since 1999 the NBA has had the following repeat champions: Lakers 00-02 (and the Spurs that won in 99 also won in 03) Lakers 09-10 Heat 12-13 Warriors 17-18 There are also four different nonconsecutive Spurs wins in that span, another Warriors win, another Heat win, another Lakers win,and then a handful of one-offs There was a four year stretch from 2015-2018 where the finals were Warriors v Cavs every year. Baseball didn’t even have it that bad back in the pre-expansion days. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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It's pretty funny to own a baseball team that is complete and utter dogshit for years, then have a great year and an actual future where you can actually be good for a while all of a sudden and then you sell.
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It certainly underscores the obvious fact that Angelos does not give a poo poo about the team
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feeling good about being a pre-sale bandwagoner 
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As someone who hated my team's previous ownership and was elated that the team was sold to someone else, be careful what you wish for. It doesn't always work out the way you think.
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bawfuls posted:It certainly underscores the obvious fact that Angelos does not give a poo poo about the team Never did
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Holy poo poo O’s let’s goooo
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FlamingLiberal posted:As someone who hated my team's previous ownership and was elated that the team was sold to someone else, be careful what you wish for. It doesn't always work out the way you think. I'm not asking him to be Cohen. If he could commit to being even a middle of the road spender that would be wonderful
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FlamingLiberal posted:As someone who hated my team's previous ownership and was elated that the team was sold to someone else, be careful what you wish for. It doesn't always work out the way you think.
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gently caress angelos. i just hope the new orioles ownership isn't like the current m's ownership
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I've been waiting 30 years for this
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Can’t wait to take my kids to Raytheon Park in a couple years, incur a hard credit check to buy a beer, and cheer for the O’s.
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