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BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

We're at $1300 a month for one toddler in daycare.

Were lucky enough we can either go part time or use leave until the second is a little older. But it's going to suck paying roughly $2500-3000 a month for two....

Thankfully by the time they're both in school I'll have finished paying off my wife's student loans too so I'll really feel rich!

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Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

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Cat Army Sworn Enemy
yo it's easy just get married to a teacher, then instead of working to put their entire paycheck into the price of daycare you just need to work at close to minimum wage and get a 50% discount so you can put their entire paycheck into daycare anyway

Academician Nomad
Jan 29, 2016

Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Yeah, sounds like we're really in complete agreement. My reflection was more about the dosage: Assuming the kid is doing something developmentally "useful" with their screen time, making it 1 hour per day or 2 hours shouldn't really matter due to diminishing returns. An hour a day is plenty to provide spatial awareness in virtual worlds, or whatever, since that hour happens daily for a long time. In that case you should probably side with the lower amount.
Okay but also the kid being inside and playing a game for 2 hours is 2 hours of peace and time to do other stuff as adults. It's not all about min-maxing every moment of a child's life so that have a 0.001% risk-adjusted better opportunity for...what exactly, anyway?

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

I used to think we were pretty good with money. Nope, we were just naive DINKs.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

Academician Nomad posted:

Okay but also the kid being inside and playing a game for 2 hours is 2 hours of peace and time to do other stuff as adults. It's not all about min-maxing every moment of a child's life so that have a 0.001% risk-adjusted better opportunity for...what exactly, anyway?
In this particular discussion the child is nine years old, and (without boundaries) is preferentially choosing screen time to the exclusion of basic needs (eating).

Screen time isn't being used here in order for adults to make time to complete household tasks, as might be the case with a toddler.

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
Time for parenting hard mode. I started showing symptoms of what is probably flu on Sunday, and had a pretty rough day yesterday and especially overnight.

My wife had to do an after work activity, so I was solo with the kids. Got them fed, homework done, and threw them in front of the tv and went to bed, thankfully they are old enough that is a viable strategy. Normally we are no screens on school nights but that’s a worthwhile exception.

Unfortunately my wife has picked it up as well and worse than me, so I’ll be solo again this evening while she sleeps in the bedroom.

Even better, our daughter was complaining about being chilly this morning…

gbut
Mar 28, 2008

😤I put the UN🇺🇳 in 🎊FUN🎉


Democratic Pirate posted:

I used to think we were pretty good with money. Nope, we were just naive DINKs.

New thread title.

My wife is already planning her next car as the kid grows into the public school system.

As someone raised in socialist Yugoslavia and now living in the US, yup, America feels like grift all the way down. And there is actually no bottom, so you keep falling indefinitely. (it’s a social safety net metaphor.)

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Democratic Pirate posted:

I used to think we were pretty good with money. Nope, we were just naive DINKs.

:hmmyes:

The trick is to buy the house and all the furniture before the baby comes, and then never ever buy anything ever again. I'm planning when I'm going to borrow money for major purchases 3+ years out now

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

gbut posted:

New thread title.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug
When is a good age to do sleepovers? Our daughter, 5, keeps asking for her friends to sleep over. One of them lives 5 minutes away and I'm good friends with her father so it wouldn't be a big deal if she went home early.

ExcessBLarg!
Sep 1, 2001

calandryll posted:

When is a good age to do sleepovers?
I think it depends on a lot of factors.

If it's a friend that you know well, you know their parents well, and they're comfortable in your home, then you could swing it at that age. Just beware the kiddo could suddenly become despondent as they get tired. Or they could wake up disoriented and frightened. So you'd want to make sure the friend already trusts you as a parental figure.

At that age it's probably best to be fully supervised--if the kids are on the floor then you're on the couch. There's also the potential for bed wetting depending on how overnight training is going.

For a friend you know less well probably 8-9 is a better age. Probably would need less direct supervision, but you're not going to get sleep that night either way.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

We did a sleep over at 7 for my birthday 30+ years ago with like 12 kids

I recall the birthday sleep over being a wild success. My mom to this day refuses to talk about that night. I was described as a "pretty chill kid" YMMV

My 5yo nephew does sleep over at our house with our 3yo girl maybe every other month, with his parents two cities (45 min) away hasn't been a problem, but he's known me literally since birth and I've been baby sitting him for 3+ years

I remember doing a lot of sleep overs 3rd-5th grade

Doll House Ghost
Jun 18, 2011



Simultaneous norovirus and cold. I have never related to Captain Haddock more:

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
Hoo boy this virus is running rampant. 2/3 kids are staying home for sure, and the third probably will too after temping him in a bit.

calandryll
Apr 25, 2003

Ask me where I do my best drinking!



Pillbug

ExcessBLarg! posted:

I think it depends on a lot of factors.

If it's a friend that you know well, you know their parents well, and they're comfortable in your home, then you could swing it at that age. Just beware the kiddo could suddenly become despondent as they get tired. Or they could wake up disoriented and frightened. So you'd want to make sure the friend already trusts you as a parental figure.

At that age it's probably best to be fully supervised--if the kids are on the floor then you're on the couch. There's also the potential for bed wetting depending on how overnight training is going.

For a friend you know less well probably 8-9 is a better age. Probably would need less direct supervision, but you're not going to get sleep that night either way.

Yeah that's my feeling as well. We might wait until they are both slightly older, and I have a chance to talk with their parents.

hallo spacedog
Apr 3, 2007

this chaos is killing me
💫🐕🔪😱😱

I wish they had number blocks when I was a kid I probably wouldn't have hated math

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
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Number blocks is phenomenal! Sometimes my daughter describes how she solved a certain math problem and she'll reference number blocks and I'm like, wow, that loving worked

It's given me some mental images to help me mathematically as well, which is a nice bonus

devmd01
Mar 7, 2006

Elektronik
Supersonik
I credit number blocks for one of the twins, he could do multi-digit addition and subtraction going into kindergarten, and explain how he broke it up in his head.

His invitation to move to a high ability class next year wasn’t exactly a surprise.

And he also just delivered our first projectile vomit of the day! Thankfully on hard surfaces except for a tiny corner of an area rug.

Bumfluff
Jun 19, 2008

Bumfluff!
It's me, Mabel!
I'm looking at you through the av!
Right here!
This is my voice!
I'm talking to you from inside!

Has anyone got any advice for a 3.5 year old who won't poo in the toilet? Pee is fine but she has poo accidents frequently. We've taken dresses away and given them back one by one when she has a good day. We've made her help clean her pants. Both of these helped but she's back to accidents.

We're lucky her school (I'm a teacher in Dubai, she gets tuition at my school through my benefits package, so she's in full time) are really supportive and say not to worry. But I do.

She says she doesn't like poo and she doesn't eat much veg, or anything much really, so wonder if it's that.

gbut
Mar 28, 2008

😤I put the UN🇺🇳 in 🎊FUN🎉


It took our (then) 3.5 yo about six months of convincing to even try using the potty for poop. She was all onboard with the peeing in the potty part for months before that. There was a transition period when she would like to wear undies all day but then ask for a pull up to poop.

It’s going to be a slow process and negotiation and then it will suddenly happen one day. At least it was our experience, but also echoed by many of our parent friends: one day she finally decided to try the potty, declared that she will never poop in the pull-up again after a successful try, and that was it. Going strong for over 6 months now with no exceptions but a single accident caused by a tummy bug of some sort.

Good luck.

nachos
Jun 27, 2004

Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

gbut posted:

It took our (then) 3.5 yo about six months of convincing to even try using the potty for poop. She was all onboard with the peeing in the potty part for months before that. There was a transition period when she would like to wear undies all day but then ask for a pull up to poop.

It’s going to be a slow process and negotiation and then it will suddenly happen one day. At least it was our experience, but also echoed by many of our parent friends: one day she finally decided to try the potty, declared that she will never poop in the pull-up again after a successful try, and that was it. Going strong for over 6 months now with no exceptions but a single accident caused by a tummy bug of some sort.

Good luck.

we are in this same boat with our 4 yo, still pooping in pullups, still waiting.....

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Has anyone used diapers as a travel crutch? Out kiddo (3.25) is on the smaller side, second smallest in her class and when she says the potty is too big I kind of agree with her. Having her go in the big potty in public restrooms is a bit of a stretch and carrying around a baby size potty on airplanes and subways doesn't seem realistic.

What do

Good-Natured Filth
Jun 8, 2008

Do you think I've got the goods Bubblegum? Cuz I am INTO this stuff!

Hadlock posted:

Has anyone used diapers as a travel crutch? Out kiddo (3.25) is on the smaller side, second smallest in her class and when she says the potty is too big I kind of agree with her. Having her go in the big potty in public restrooms is a bit of a stretch and carrying around a baby size potty on airplanes and subways doesn't seem realistic.

What do

We let the kids wear diapers during travel while they were potty training because the last thing we wanted on vacation was to deal with accidents. It didn't affect our kids' overall progress.

That said, we would still try to bring them to a restroom whenever possible and have them actually try. We had an adapter that we put into the big seat to make it child-sized that easily fit in a backpack. (Something like this, though not this exact one.)

gbut
Mar 28, 2008

😤I put the UN🇺🇳 in 🎊FUN🎉


Good-Natured Filth posted:

We let the kids wear diapers during travel while they were potty training because the last thing we wanted on vacation was to deal with accidents. It didn't affect our kids' overall progress.

That said, we would still try to bring them to a restroom whenever possible and have them actually try. We had an adapter that we put into the big seat to make it child-sized that easily fit in a backpack. (Something like this, though not this exact one.)

Same. Though if I had any size concerns I'd probably get something like this

remigious
May 13, 2009

Destruction comes inevitably :rip:

Hell Gem
I have the opposite problem - my son will poop in the potty but not pee! Potty training sucks and I will be so happy when we are past this stage.

morothar
Dec 21, 2005

gbut posted:

Same. Though if I had any size concerns I'd probably get something like this


This is what we had in the go bag for travel. It’s great.

Democratic Pirate
Feb 17, 2010

We’re pausing potty training until we get my kid’s kidney/urinary tract situation sorted out.

Any random fever from school/play dates/etc needs to be checked for a UTI and, let me tell you, trying to get a 3yo who rules their bladder with an iron fist to pee into a cup is quite the quest. The control also extends to #2 - we have to go HAM on the miralax or else we won’t get any action for days.

“Do you need to poop?” “Yes.”
“Don’t you feel better after you poop?” “Yes.” “Does it hurt to poop?” “No.”
“Why don’t you poop and go play instead of laying around?” “I DON’T WANNA”

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Seconding the little fold up travel potty. Been using it for about 6 months now and it's worked really well. Way better than going back to diapers in my opinion.

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Bumfluff posted:

Has anyone got any advice for a 3.5 year old who won't poo in the toilet?
No advice but we've had 1.5 successful potty poops in 3 months of trying so you're not alone!

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


gbut posted:

Same. Though if I had any size concerns I'd probably get something like this


We have one of those, Mini Pony would rather be held haphazardly over the potty than use it.

The biggest issue we have run into when out of the house has been the automatic flush sensors causing the toilet to trigger unexpectedly and that spooking him. I recommend bringing along a bit of masking tape or similar to cover them up.

cailleask
May 6, 2007





I had tiny kids who potty trained early. I was kinda grossed out by the travel potties so I just always went into the stall and physically helped balance them until they were bigger and/or rock-solid. At home we had a little potty seat built into the toilet seat they could use, and at school they had small kid sized toilets.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



gbut posted:

Same. Though if I had any size concerns I'd probably get something like this


oh good another piece of Amazon plastic trash I can look forward to entering my home in a year or so

my wife: "This house is so cluttered"
also my wife: "Can you run down and pick up the 7 Amazon packages from today, and drop off all the broken-down Amazon boxes from yesterday's delivery while you're at it?"

no inconvenience is so slight that somebody hasn't made an injection-molded "solution", shipped to your door for $8.99

morothar
Dec 21, 2005

Pham Nuwen posted:

oh good another piece of Amazon plastic trash I can look forward to entering my home in a year or so

my wife: "This house is so cluttered"
also my wife: "Can you run down and pick up the 7 Amazon packages from today, and drop off all the broken-down Amazon boxes from yesterday's delivery while you're at it?"

no inconvenience is so slight that somebody hasn't made an injection-molded "solution", shipped to your door for $8.99

That’s capitalism, baby!

On a related note, we also had a small sit-down potty in the footwell of the car, and ended up using it a good few times even after our daughter was toilet trained. You can stop anywhere, set up the small potty behind the car, and go to town.

Rufio
Feb 6, 2003

I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

Pham Nuwen posted:

oh good another piece of Amazon plastic trash I can look forward to entering my home in a year or so

my wife: "This house is so cluttered"
also my wife: "Can you run down and pick up the 7 Amazon packages from today, and drop off all the broken-down Amazon boxes from yesterday's delivery while you're at it?"

no inconvenience is so slight that somebody hasn't made an injection-molded "solution", shipped to your door for $8.99

True but this product may not deserve your ire. This seat rules for traveling or going to Grandma's house where they might not want a permanent toddler seat. We had to break ours out for a week long hospital stay too. Just stow it in the kid's day bag.

Hovering your kid for a pee is fine but kneeling down and holding them up, staring them in the face while they poop, isn't great lol.


Re going to diapers for travel:

We never had to do this because we didn't take any trips right after potty training but I would've been extremely hesitant to do so. A big part of our potty training was that there are no more diapers anymore and you're a big boy now who doesn't wear them. I'd be afraid of them going back to relying on it. Accidents suck and you especially never want one away from home base but they are also part of the learning process.


Rufio fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jan 31, 2024

truavatar
Mar 3, 2004

GIS Jedi

gbut posted:

Same. Though if I had any size concerns I'd probably get something like this


We have one of these. Looks like an owl. We use it all the time and it's held up very well.

King Hong Kong
Nov 6, 2009

For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

devmd01 posted:

Hoo boy this virus is running rampant. 2/3 kids are staying home for sure, and the third probably will too after temping him in a bit.

4 month old has a miserable cold, 3 year old still coughing after a week and a half but is wild, wife is falling to the virus. I’m sure I’m next.

in_cahoots
Sep 12, 2011
I just put my boy sideways on the potty. He only poops at home but we’ve never had an issue with pee.

Chillmatic
Jul 25, 2003

always seeking to survive and flourish

Pham Nuwen posted:

oh good another piece of Amazon plastic trash I can look forward to entering my home in a year or so

my wife: "This house is so cluttered"
also my wife: "Can you run down and pick up the 7 Amazon packages from today, and drop off all the broken-down Amazon boxes from yesterday's delivery while you're at it?"

no inconvenience is so slight that somebody hasn't made an injection-molded "solution", shipped to your door for $8.99

I, too, get unreasonably annoyed at people making their lives as parents even a small bit easier or more reasonable. :thumbsup:

Rufio
Feb 6, 2003

I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!
Take my wife.... please

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D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Rufio posted:

Take my wife.... please

I'd try Craigslist if that's what you are into.

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