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haha fair enough "why... yes, I am brilliant, now you mention it stockfish"
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Leperflesh posted:What was the time control on that game? Daily lol e: as in you get a whole 24 hours to make each move. Bruce Hussein Daddy fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Jan 25, 2024 18:54
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Got a brilliant in a game against a player rated way higher than me and still managed to blunder away +4  
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Pour one out for the boy Gukesh D, that draw was brutal
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Meadowhill posted:Pour one out for the boy Gukesh D, that draw was brutal That’s the next world champ baby
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Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:Got a brilliant in a game against a player rated way higher than me and still managed to blunder away +4 I feel like I 100% would have played f4 instead of your move
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Jan 28, 2024 18:19
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Okay I'm stupid. What's the continuation after Nxg7.
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Arrhythmia posted:Okay I'm stupid. What's the continuation after Nxg7. Rg1 looks good, Qg5 only move?
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Arrhythmia posted:Okay I'm stupid. What's the continuation after Nxg7. I don't know the answer but I thought Rg1 to pin the knight.
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Jan 28, 2024 23:26
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yeah I get as far as pin the knight but then I don't know what is supposed to happen after ...Kh7 or ...Kh8. I can't find a mate or even an advantageous trade, it seems bad for black but I get stuck
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Jan 29, 2024 21:28
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It ends up being a trade of two rooks for a Queen, a knight, and a pawn. And Black’s king is exposed.
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Leperflesh posted:yeah I get as far as pin the knight but then I don't know what is supposed to happen after ...Kh7 or ...Kh8. I can't find a mate or even an advantageous trade, it seems bad for black but I get stuck If either of those moves, the rook takes the knight and threatens Rxf7, which would win the queen thanks to a discovered check from the bishop. Black has a couple options to avoid this particular threat but is always losing material.
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Jan 29, 2024 23:45
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yeah OK I couldn't visualize it properly, once I laid the pieces out on a board it made sense once you pin the knight, stockfish says Qg6, sac the queen for a rook to avoid losing worse. After that exchange, white is +6.5. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Jan 30, 2024 00:01
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Everybody has it covered, but here's the best continuation according to the computer 23... Nxg7 24. Rg1 Rfb8 25.Bxg7 Qg5 26. Bxh6 Qxg1+ 27. Kxg1 e Maybe a different depth stockfish who knows.
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 after an exhausting game against a significantly higher rated opponent, as white i decided here that even though i am up a pawn, and a passed pawn at that, my overall pawn structure is goofy and this is almost certainly a drawn opposite color bishop endgame and offered a draw after the game stockfish promptly told me i'm an idiot and white is +3 and totally winning. so what's the move?
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Jan 30, 2024 07:22
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After a few minutes I have to think that the only square for the bishop is d4. Everything is protected and the pawn is blockaded. Then you can use the king and the h pawn to trade off black's bishop. The final piece of the puzzle is that black has no waiting moves, so the king has to move out as soon as the bishop is gone. The c pawn is weak, and then after that ???? and then somehow you promote I guess. edit: how to get the bishop to d4 without losing the pawn that I cannot tell you.
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Jan 30, 2024 08:07
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There is also Bd6! to win black's doubled pawn. Although I can't see how that really helps. also you lose your own pawn as soon as you take so that's no fun. welp.
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Jan 30, 2024 08:20
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okay yeah that is pretty tricky, even stockfish doesn't give a clear answer it's just waffling between a few possibilities that all lead to the same vague goal idea seems to be you keep your bishop along that diagonal in a position where it can both guard the c5 pawn and slide into d4 after a check if the c3 pawn is ever taken; as you slowly walk your king up to the h pawn, in such a way that you don't drop the e pawn for nothing 
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From what I can see, you want to keep the c5 pawn because it stops black from moving his pawns forward (and critically if a black pawn lands on c5 then you can't put your bishop on d4), however you can lose either your c3 or e3 pawn with no consequence (but not both) because either of the c3-Bd4-c5 or e3-Bd4-c5 chains completely stop black's advance. So you can for instance just start moving your king towards your passed pawn, if the black king ever takes one of your backward pawns then you have a tempo to get the bishop to d4 and hold the chain. Eventually black will have to give the bishop for your passed pawn. edit: I realized that if you ever get your king to e5 or f6 without black ever taking your pawns then you don't have the bishop tempo, but at that point you can swing the king behind the black pawns to gobble them up and win that way. Promethium fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Jan 30, 2024 09:04
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It looks like the c3 pawn just isn't very valuable, and white's king getting active is very valuable, so white can just abandon the former in the name of the latter.
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yeah, it takes stockfish till ~depth 30 before it sees the win so i don't feel particularly bad about calling it quits, but it's got to be one of the most interesting endgames i've ever had on the board folks are on the general right track, white's king is actually free to leave the defense of c3 because bf6+ let's white defend the entire situation on the queenside while white's king scuttles around the board and with precise play getting a pawn to promotion Promethium posted:edit: I realized that if you ever get your king to e5 or f6 without black ever taking your pawns then you don't have the bishop tempo, but at that point you can swing the king behind the black pawns to gobble them up and win that way. i saw the issue with the white king blocking the diagonal as it goes through e5 or f6 and stockfish suggested one of the most disgusting moves i have ever seen to prep for kf6, it's fisting by many's bd6!!, not as a threat to the doubled pawn, but as a way to defend c5 while allowing be5+ if black goes after c3. it blows my mind you can just leave the bishop sitting in front of blacks pawn and it still holds the entire position together again, by far the most interesting position i've ever had on the board, even if i didn't fully appreciate it during the game. maybe if it was a daily
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:yeah, it takes stockfish till ~depth 30 before it sees the win so i don't feel particularly bad about calling it quits, but it's got to be one of the most interesting endgames i've ever had on the board yeah the white bishop is safe there because after cxd6 cxd6 white would have two passed pawns and the black bishop can only stop one. A few endgame puzzles are like that. fisting by many fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Yeah I think even if stockfish needs 30 moves to win against stockfish, against a human opponent bd6! is good because after takes takes, you advance one of the passed pawns and your opponent probably doesn't see any way to stop both of them and has no checks. Like I haven't built it to test like you guys have but I think a human has a hard time finding whatever line black is supposed to use to defend this.
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This is worth at least 5 OTB ELO, maybe more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbUaXVxtFHs
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How to behave like a Chess Grandma
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when that guy says “Hickie” does he mean hikaru because it was quite a funny impression of him if so
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also once when i was watching a game in a park i did a literal spit take just to gently caress with a buddy
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jesus WEP posted:when that guy says “Hickie” does he mean hikaru because it was quite a funny impression of him if so Yeah, it's def. a reference to Hikaru and .Nepo has to be the most seasoned practitioner of this technique. The dude looks at every move like someone took a steaming dump on the board. Pictured here presumably reacting to h3. 
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probably an easy one to solve as an analysis but i was pleased with finding the one move that saves my knight from this blitz game
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jesus WEP posted:probably an easy one to solve as an analysis but i was pleased with finding the one move that saves my knight from this blitz game i mean it looks to me like the answer is just "short castle" which in the actual game I would probably have done anyway after giving up on the knight and then been pleasantly surprised when i realized that it had saved it. this is assuming you still have short castle rights though, otherwise I guess you just move the rook but that's kinda ugly imo
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cock hero flux posted:i mean it looks to me like the answer is just "short castle" which in the actual game I would probably have done anyway after giving up on the knight and then been pleasantly surprised when i realized that it had saved it. this is assuming you still have short castle rights though, otherwise I guess you just move the rook but that's kinda ugly imo Same
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cock hero flux posted:i mean it looks to me like the answer is just "short castle" which in the actual game I would probably have done anyway after giving up on the knight and then been pleasantly surprised when i realized that it had saved it. this is assuming you still have short castle rights though, otherwise I guess you just move the rook but that's kinda ugly imo
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What about Bb4, then if the pawn still takes your knight, O-O or Rf8 forces either the king to undefend his rook so you can take it, or to block with Bf4 which you then take and force the king move? e, oh wait that doesn't work, there's Ke2 pfeh
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Leperflesh posted:What about Bb4, then if the pawn still takes your knight, O-O or Rf8 forces either the king to undefend his rook so you can take it, or to block with Bf4 which you then take and force the king move? white just takes the knight with the rook and checks you if you move the bishop.
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you might be able to do something funny where you long castle, sacrifice the knight, cut the king's retreat with the bishop and then force him out into a terrible position with checks and/or put him in the back rank zone and then win his rook but the computer is definitely going to be able to defend against that and a human might be able to as well
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cock hero flux posted:you might be able to do something funny where you long castle, sacrifice the knight, cut the king's retreat with the bishop and then force him out into a terrible position with checks and/or put him in the back rank zone and then win his rook but the computer is definitely going to be able to defend against that and a human might be able to as well That sounds like more fun than playing well.
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cock hero flux posted:white just takes the knight with the rook and checks you if you move the bishop. lol oh yeah I am not good at chess
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Update on training chess tactics only and completely neglecting opening theory: this seems to be a decent strategy because I've been on a winning streak recently where in loads of the games I've had a completely losing position out of the opening but I've managed to claw it back in the middle game due to spotting and setting up various tactics my opponent has failed to foresee. Still terrible at endgames though, but I usually end up checkmating the opponent before the game devolves into that sort of nonsense. So yeah, if you're looking for a relatively effective and fun way to pump up your Elo then give obsessively drilling tactics a shot. Lichess puzzles while resting between sets in the gym has been a good one for me recently
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quote:Blunder-Years Good game Warf... thank u.
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