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https://vxtwitter.com/KyivPost/status/1753008010148925768 Also looks like Orban finally caved after a nice round of threats and Ukraine is gonna get its funding.
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PurpleXVI posted:https://vxtwitter.com/KyivPost/status/1753008010148925768 Orban can talk all he wants, he knows where the money comes from.
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Rude Dude With Tude posted:Ukraine managed to sink another ship, despite still not having a navy: https://gur.gov.ua/content/ivanoviets-na-dni-vnaslidok-spetsoperatsii-hur-mo-znyshcheno-raketnyi-kater-voroha.html Also worth noting this one seems to be a total loss. Not just damaged and towed back, not "sank slowly and most of the crew escaped," but a complete loss with what appears to be all hands or close to it.
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PurpleXVI posted:Also worth noting this one seems to be a total loss. Not just damaged and towed back, not "sank slowly and most of the crew escaped," but a complete loss with what appears to be all hands or close to it. How very Moskvaesque. 
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PurpleXVI posted:Also worth noting this one seems to be a total loss. Not just damaged and towed back, not "sank slowly and most of the crew escaped," but a complete loss with what appears to be all hands or close to it. Yeah poo poo they kept hitting that sucker. Interesting to see the MG fire going at the 1st droneboat. What type of ship was that?
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That Works posted:Yeah poo poo they kept hitting that sucker. Interesting to see the MG fire going at the 1st droneboat. Looks like a corvette, maybe Tarantul class. 
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OPAONI posted:I genuinely wonder how much the US Navy is looking at these tactics and weapons and sweating. Van ripper bursts through the nearest wall and takes a deep breath
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OPAONI posted:I genuinely wonder how much the US Navy is looking at these tactics and weapons and sweating. The US Navy has several of its own long-running drone boat programs, including one-way attack drones. If they've recognized the utility of such weapons, I'd assume they've also developed countermeasures to them as well.
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OPAONI posted:I genuinely wonder how much the US Navy is looking at these tactics and weapons and sweating. Iran will certainly be looking, for their own reasons.
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Just Another Lurker posted:Iran will certainly be looking, for their own reasons. Houthis have been using remotely controlled explosive watercraft against Saudi Arabia since the 20-teens. 
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OPAONI posted:I genuinely wonder how much the US Navy is looking at these tactics and weapons and sweating. The main problem that the Russians are having here is that they're very, very, very incompetent. USWs aren't a magic superweapon that renders naval warfare obsolete- this is just a repeat of when everyone was jerking foff about how Chinese AShBMs made aircraft carriers obsolete. Alchenar posted:Van ripper bursts through the nearest wall and takes a deep breath We still don't have FTL communications and full size anti-ship missiles that can fit into hammerspace, unfortunately.
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PurpleXVI posted:Also worth noting this one seems to be a total loss. Not just damaged and towed back, not "sank slowly and most of the crew escaped," but a complete loss with what appears to be all hands or close to it. Let's have a moment of silence for all the Ukrainian POWs it was transporting.
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This is mostly a shitpost, but is tanks have explosive armor to defeat RPGs and missiles, why not have even bigger ERA to defeat drones and anti-ship missiles? The actual question. The article says the Russian ship was in a sheltered harbor. Looking it up, that harbor used to be a lake until they dredged a short, narrow channel from the sea. If you're at war shouldn't you be putting some kind of gate or net or other removable barrier across that channel to keep drone boats out of your harbor?
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ERA is weird and not a magic HEAT counter, needs substantial physical backing to work, and exposing it to salt water would prob degrade it quickly
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Dandywalken posted:ERA is weird and not a magic HEAT counter, needs substantial physical backing to work, and exposing it to salt water would prob degrade it quickly Please Russia don't put explosives on the hulls of your ships to defeat the drones, especially where they would be most effective, below the waterline.
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For one, it would massively add weight. You are also not really worried about some puny HEAT round. Anti-ship missiles and torpedoes don't give even the slightest tiniest bit of a poo poo about your explosive armour, and those are the real danger to a competent navy. Just look at an Exocet warhead. To illustrate: Wikipedia posted:The missile that struck Sheffield impacted on the starboard side at deck level 2, travelling through the junior ratings' scullery and breaching the Forward Auxiliary Machinery Room/Forward Engine Room bulkhead 2.4 metres (7 ft 10 in) above the waterline, creating a hole in the hull roughly 1.2 by 3 m (4 by 10 ft). It appears that the warhead did not explode. Twenty members of her crew were killed and 26 injured. The ship foundered while under tow on 10 May.
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How long till WW2 levels or armor plating come back into style?
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:How long till WW2 levels or armor plating come back into style? I may be completely wrong / talking out of my rear end but I was under the impression that armor plating isn't gonna do much if you have a sizeable explosion outside the ship below the keel which seems not a whole lot harder to build up to if you're getting your delivery system right up next to the ship as it is.
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RFC2324 posted:anti dronesub dolphins when They're also very good against Russian giant squid.
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:How long till WW2 levels or armor plating come back into style? Shaped Perpetrators and APFSDS/Sabots have made that sort of armor useless.
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Soylent Pudding posted:They're also very good against Russian giant squid. This is why Kirov Airshop is smart move. No risk from capitalist swimming dogs.
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That Works posted:I may be completely wrong / talking out of my rear end but I was under the impression that armor plating isn't gonna do much if you have a sizeable explosion outside the ship below the keel which seems not a whole lot harder to build up to if you're getting your delivery system right up next to the ship as it is. For this case “a drone boat stacked with a ton of explosives just kamikazeing at someteen+ knots speed at the water surface” a battleship level armor plating would actually possibly do a ton of mitigation just based on basic physics of redirecting explosion. Problem is that this size boats weren’t that heavily armored even back in ww2, and trying to fit that level of armor belt to your entire fleet would literally gimp your capabilities while adding close to nothing of value against any other threat.
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Antigravitas posted:Just look at an Exocet warhead. The Exocet has a dud rate of about 50% based mostly on data from the Tanker War. That sounds bad until you figure that it's liquid fueled, so you've started a huge fire even if the warhead doesn't detonate. The Sheffield's only firefighting main was cut by the impact, which would be bad luck for the RN if not having redundancy wasn't incredibly stupid.
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Soylent Pudding posted:This is mostly a shitpost, but is tanks have explosive armor to defeat RPGs and missiles, why not have even bigger ERA to defeat drones and anti-ship missiles? It's unclear if it was actually inside the lake or just outside of it, but in Sevastapol at least Russia has absolutely been putting up nets and other conventional defenses. https://x.com/CovertShores/status/1753025542155092067?s=20  https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2023/12/russia-forced-to-adapt-to-ukraines-maritime-drone-warfare-in-black-sea quote:The first, and most visible, defense has been the addition physical barriers across harbor entrances. These are likely moderately effective at preventing Ukrainian USVs from penetrating the harbors, and are combined with machine guns and warships on sentry duty for a robust defense. Sevastopol has received multiple layers of nets, floating booms and even a chain of barges. Other harbors also, and most recently the Kerch Bridge. The latter was only added after Ukraine successfully damaged it with an explosive laden USV on July 17 2023.
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Generation Internet posted:It's unclear if it was actually inside the lake or just outside of it, but in Sevastapol at least Russia has absolutely been putting up nets and other conventional defenses. Zelenskyy, stroking the drone purring in his lap: "No, mister Putin, we are not stuck in here with your ships. It is in fact your fleet that is trapped in the Black Sea with us." e. "Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational Neptune launch system. [aside] Fire at will, commander." Lord Awkward fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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CommieGIR posted:Shaped Perpetrators Like, Hamburglar-shaped?
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Rust Martialis posted:Like, Hamburglar-shaped? Look at that Hot-Dog-shaped Perpetrator here, trying to throw us off the scent.
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Rust Martialis posted:Like, Hamburglar-shaped? Explosively shaped Hamburglar!
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Valtonen posted:For this case “a drone boat stacked with a ton of explosives just kamikazeing at someteen+ knots speed at the water surface” a battleship level armor plating would actually possibly do a ton of mitigation just based on basic physics of redirecting explosion. Thus the whole “below the keel” bit
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Just Another Lurker posted:How very Moskvaesque. I think proportionally a lot more people got off the Moskva. Lot of people on it died in the explosions and fires, but most of the crew didn't, and by the time it sank it was under tow and with the remaining crew taken off by escorts. Here, it's just everyone in the water, in February, with no help in sight. You don't survive long.
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That Works posted:Thus the whole “below the keel” bit I could be wrong but it looked like this was several hits in the same spot just above the waterline. I can't imagine trying to do damage control when the first problem keeps getting worse and worse by means of ordinance. No wonder they lost the whole thing. I know you were talking about something different, but I wanted to put my two cents in on that video. What a great loving day* * - in regards to watching another Russian Ship take a one way water nap. Not because of the loss of life, which is totally preventable if that Piece of poo poo would just go home
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Another meritorious promotion to submarine. At this rate the entire fleet is going to so outrank the Ukranian navy that there will no longer be any fighting on the seas.
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That Works posted:I may be completely wrong / talking out of my rear end but I was under the impression that armor plating isn't gonna do much if you have a sizeable explosion outside the ship below the keel which seems not a whole lot harder to build up to if you're getting your delivery system right up next to the ship as it is. Build your ship with a pair of big sacrificial outriggers to get blown up by drones and torpedoes rather than the main hull.
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PurpleXVI posted:Build your ship with a pair of big sacrificial outriggers to get blown up by drones and torpedoes rather than the main hull. You have invented torpedo bulges.
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Xakura posted:You have invented torpedo bulges. And we didn't even have to wait for espionage! 
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