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OddObserver posted:Apparently one of these things: Going by Wikipedia sources, another of the class was reported sunk in Sevastopol earlier, leaving two of them operational in the Black Sea?
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Feb 1, 2024 12:43
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Nenonen posted:Going by Wikipedia sources, another of the class was reported sunk in Sevastopol earlier, leaving two of them operational in the Black Sea? I think these boats are designed to fit the canal system, so they can move more in. Still, it's gotta hurt.
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Feb 1, 2024 12:49
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Nenonen posted:Going by Wikipedia sources, another of the class was reported sunk in Sevastopol earlier, leaving two of them operational in the Black Sea? I suspect the particular article mentioning the earlier loss may have been a mistake --- and the mention seems gone now? Edit: Wow, just realize that one of the images is the IR view of the nose of the ship sticking out of the water and not a weird explosion. The perils of reading on the phone... OddObserver fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Feb 1, 2024 12:55
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Nosre posted:https://twitter.com/CharlesMichel/status/1753001809268920719 The EU threatened to block all further funding to Hungary beyond the existing block on some funds due to rule of law concerns. There will probably have been a carrot as well somewhere to get him to fall in line
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Feb 1, 2024 12:55
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SixFigureSandwich posted:The EU threatened to block all further funding to Hungary beyond the existing block on some funds due to rule of law concerns. There will probably have been a carrot as well somewhere to get him to fall in line
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Feb 1, 2024 13:10
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They agreed to revisit the numbers annually after two years, which is what Orban wanted as a domestic win. In two years Orban will be able to do the same thing again, and hey, what do you know, 2026 is an election year. Just in time for Orban to pose as the sole protector from Brussels' tyranny.
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Feb 1, 2024 13:20
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d64 posted:They always try to play it up like they used threats, and probably that is part of it, but want to downplay the bribes part by using some unobvious way to pass some benefit to Hungary. I just don't think EU is capable of playing as tough as they want it to look like. They threatened, afaik, to stop Hungary from having access to the structural funds that is like, a third of the EU budget.
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Feb 1, 2024 13:21
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It looks like the first drone hit the ship right in the stern while the ship was moving at high speed. I guess this flooded the engine room and damaged both props because in all the other clips the ship seems to be dead in the water.
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Feb 1, 2024 13:45
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Paladinus posted:They agreed to revisit the numbers annually after two years, which is what Orban wanted as a domestic win. In two years Orban will be able to do the same thing again, and hey, what do you know, 2026 is an election year. Just in time for Orban to pose as the sole protector from Brussels' tyranny. The Guardian posted:Two additional paragraphs were added to the draft conclusions agreed by leaders but sources say neither amounted to a win for Orbán. “He didn’t get anything,” said one source close to those in the room. 
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Feb 1, 2024 14:10
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I reckon the "You're going to lose your voting rights and all subsidies" stick worked well enough. Orban overplayed his cards.
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Feb 1, 2024 14:23
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OddObserver posted:I suspect the particular article mentioning the earlier loss may have been a mistake --- and the mention seems gone now?  Looks bad but I'm not a boat guy.
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Feb 1, 2024 14:37
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DTurtle posted:Not quite. The EU Commission will review the budgetary framework in two years. If needed there will be a debate on the budgetary framework, but no veto: Okay, that's a very good caveat. Orban will still probably use it for his election campaign, but at least he won't actually be able to do anything.
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Feb 1, 2024 14:53
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ummel posted:
it's just been converted into one of those research ships that can submerge half of its length, it's fine.
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Feb 1, 2024 15:01
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It seemed completely ineffective in taking out small boats. Having looked at the armaments, yeah. It's just anti-ship missiles and anti-air defensive weapons. I assume none of those defensive guns can even decline low enough once a drone boat gets within a certain range. Seems like the kind of ship that should have some kind of escort.
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Feb 1, 2024 15:09
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ummel posted:
My Blyat Will Go On
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Feb 1, 2024 15:13
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ummel posted:
The front DIDN'T fall off, my expectations subverted!!! 
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Feb 1, 2024 15:24
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Just Another Lurker posted:The front DIDN'T fall off, my expectations subverted!!! The rest of the boat fell off, the front did nothing wrong! 
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Feb 1, 2024 15:41
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Just Another Lurker posted:tldr: Kremlin spokesperson Dimitri Peskov is named in original article as the source. The irony of you getting this fact wrong with a tut tut about fact checking is pretty funny.
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Feb 1, 2024 15:44
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ummel posted:
Russian Navy demonstrating that they too can perform the fearsome Pugachev’s Cobra maneuver.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:04
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2024/02/01/how-one-blast-shut-down-production-of-russias-deadliest-drone/?sh=150cf7f87355quote:The Lancet has been one of Russia’s most effective weapons in its war with Ukraine, a small kamikaze drone which can find and destroy targets from 40 miles away with deadly precision. Lancets knock out Leopard tanks, artillery and even parked aircraft. Valerii Zaluzhnyi, Ukraine’s Commander-in-Chief, singled the Lancet out as a problem in his recent paper on the current military situation. Only a few appeared at first, dozens per month, but in July 2023 numbers were set to soar. Instead, something interrupted the supply. Some more good news.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:06
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ummel posted:
This is not funny - boats only do this when they are in extreme distress
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Feb 1, 2024 16:11
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mlmp08 posted:The irony of you getting this fact wrong with a tut tut about fact checking is pretty funny. Yes, i embarrassingly did not understand what he was saying. My 4:30am posting sucks but i would probably have still gotten it wrong even with coffee.  Until Zaluzhnyi actually loses his position it's just propaganda. 
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Feb 1, 2024 16:18
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Tigey posted:This is not funny - boats only do this when they are in extreme distress Blyaty mc Blatyface! Noooo!
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Feb 1, 2024 16:33
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Nenonen posted:That seems like a crazy amount of drones hitting it again and again. And they still had at least one drone left to relay the results... also crazy is you can see the spray of gunfire as they're trying to hit the drone. like that's a little jetski type thing they're shooting at but can't even hit that. what modern warships can't even hit a small craft that's trying to get near them? russia's navy being a joke is an old joke, but also LOL.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:39
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Just Another Lurker posted:Until Zaluzhnyi actually loses his position it's just propaganda. That’s not what propaganda means…. If it was a mistaken rumor, that’s a rumor. If the reporting is accurate that Zelenskyy floated the idea and backed away after seeing political responses, that’s not propaganda either. If it was a fake news story planted by Russia that is being repeated by pro-Ukrainian sources in Ukrainian media out of Ukrainians falling for it, that would be propaganda.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:46
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Someone else was sacked instead of (or more likely with no relation at all to) Zaluzhnyy. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/1/7439879/ quote:President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has dismissed Roman Semenchenko, the head of the Department for the Protection of National Statehood of the Security Service of Ukraine. The Security Service themselves said they would continue to "strengthen and optimise" the department to ensure the unimpeded work and safety of the media. Some EU officials met with Ukrainian journalists recently and heard their complaints about pressure on independent media, and I imagine also relayed those concerns back to Ukrainian officials. The whole situation with Bihus is obviously antithetical to Ukraine's commitment to democratic values, but to Zelenskyy's credit, there was no attempt to sweep it under the rug and blame journalists for not being patriotic enough.
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Feb 1, 2024 16:54
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mlmp08 posted:That’s not what propaganda means….
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Feb 1, 2024 17:30
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Tigey posted:This is not funny - boats only do this when they are in extreme distress stern down, bow up that's the way your ship gets hosed
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Feb 1, 2024 17:53
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Fidelitious posted:It seemed completely ineffective in taking out small boats. Having looked at the armaments, yeah. It's just anti-ship missiles and anti-air defensive weapons. So is there a chance sinking this boat makes a dent (even a minor one) in how many missiles Russia can lob into Ukraine? I'm a little rusty on how much they're leaning on ships to launch cruise missile attacks at various cities and infrastructure points.
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Feb 1, 2024 17:59
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Eric Cantonese posted:So is there a chance sinking this boat makes a dent (even a minor one) in how many missiles Russia can lob into Ukraine? I'm a little rusty on how much they're leaning on ships to launch cruise missile attacks at various cities and infrastructure points. Not likely since the ship type carries anti-ship missiles and not the kind that have been previously used against ground targets (and it's pretty short range). It does make the fleet overall somewhat more vulnerable, though.
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Feb 1, 2024 18:24
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Sinking the entire Black Sea fleet is a strategic goal, including the ships that are not being much use right now (ie: most of them) cause they can still mess with Ukraine's shipping. And losing the fleet is a political hit that is extremely difficult to sweep under the rug even in Putin's world.
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Feb 1, 2024 18:40
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OddObserver posted:Not likely since the ship type carries anti-ship missiles and not the kind that have been previously used against ground targets (and it's pretty short range). It does make the fleet overall somewhat more vulnerable, though. My understanding is that it also carried a radar system and it was probably used in Crimea's air defence to some extent.
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Feb 1, 2024 18:44
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OddObserver posted:Not likely since the ship type carries anti-ship missiles and not the kind that have been previously used against ground targets (and it's pretty short range). It does make the fleet overall somewhat more vulnerable, though. The Ivanovets seems to have been a Project 12411 so would have had SS-N-22 Sunburn missiles (there's two different missiles called this) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarantul-class_corvette https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-N-22 The Tarantula could carry the P-270 missile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-270_Moskit The air launched version of this is the Kh-41 So.... it probably did launch missiles. Or could.
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Feb 1, 2024 18:57
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notwithoutmyanus posted:Blyaty mcBlyatface New title.
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Feb 1, 2024 19:33
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KillHour posted:New title. Two months into 2024 and the last remnant of Prighozin will be gone. Man really burned bright and fast.
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Feb 1, 2024 19:35
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Wikipedia is a confusing mess for me trying to figure out an Active list for the Black Sea Fleet. What Russian ships are left in the fleet after 2 years of attrition?
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Feb 1, 2024 19:35
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Dirt5o8 posted:Wikipedia is a confusing mess for me trying to figure out an Active list for the Black Sea Fleet. Many ships are still active, they have just been sent on long term scouting missions to the Black Sea's depths.
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Feb 1, 2024 19:38
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notwithoutmyanus posted:Blyaty mc Blatyface! Noooo! Mc is way too "Anglo-Saxon". As is face. Should be something like Blyaty Blyatmordov. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Feb 1, 2024 19:49
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Nenonen posted:My Blyat Will Go On  considering the imagery
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Feb 1, 2024 19:51
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Dirt5o8 posted:Wikipedia is a confusing mess for me trying to figure out an Active list for the Black Sea Fleet. Most of them. https://x.com/jayinkyiv/status/1753033435512213929?s=46&t=fppHBZSlD4AbSz5pJxjFMQ
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Feb 1, 2024 20:28
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