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CatstropheWaitress posted:I don't mind all the main characters being butts. S1 had Rust tell a woman to kill herself, among other things. It was way stronger, but the core of the show is that you have grizzled detectives who won't let a case go and how they eventually and at cost solve it. Taking inspiration from Sherlock Holmes, the only thing that matters is that the case gets solved. Them being assholes feeds into that - they may be awful and a mess, but dammit, they're going to find absolution through the good deed of figuring this poo poo out. I don't think it's a huge deal it's just that the characters need to be fleshed out more for audiences to want to watch them. Navarro is starting to make more sense why she acts the way she does because they finally tapped into her back story a bit. She got abandoned, she's frustrated about the handling of a case she found important, she's got a crazy sister she has to worry about. It took three episodes to do it so the pacing is a bit off. It seems that Danvers' backstory is an intentional mystery but that makes her more frustrating than fun. Like they keep having Danvers and Navarro go at odds with each other but there doesn't seem to be any spark there besides that they're both gruff. Same with Danvers and Hank or how Danvers interacts with her daughter. It should be a big deal that she tried to wipe off all of her daughter's face markings. There's a ton of stuff to work with there if they just gave a better insight on Danvers as a person. Episodes 2 and 3 should have explored her more than they did.
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I predict in the next episode the whole town will abruptly break out in a frenzied violent riot, most of it out of frame and referenced through dialogue. Then it will cut to AI-generated banter between the two lead cops, "You callin me Mr. Freeze?", and the riot will not be addressed again
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Jan 31, 2024 21:06
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Is David Gordon Green directing the next episode?
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Jan 31, 2024 21:10
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the writers went out of their way to mention more than once that both Navarro's sister and mother heard voices and saw poo poo, so I'd guess any scene with her alone or with 1 other person or an orange may be entirely in her head. 
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Keyser_Soze posted:the writers went out of their way to mention more than once that both Navarro's sister and mother heard voices and saw poo poo, so I'd guess any scene with her alone or with 1 other person or an orange may be entirely in her head. nah it's all real. there is a feminine psychic/cosmic power that was unleashed and it is affecting the sensitives in the area. the men it scares to death, the women have a different relationship with the entity. its emergence has also riled up the spirit world, and the spirits are trying to communicate with the key players who might be able to prevent catastrophe
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Just jumping in to correct previous posters. Jeremy Brett was the best Sherlock Holmes.
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TheBizzness posted:Rust is my dad and he is a wonderful person. Your mother and I love you too.
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Marty is my dad and he doesnt make me mow the lawn
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Feb 1, 2024 08:11
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Danvers should reveal herself as The Thing at the end of this, to thunderous critical acclaim.
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like a british bulldog given an anesthetizing agent, I don't mind.
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Definitely want to see Danvers be the villain
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Keyser_Soze posted:the writers went out of their way to mention more than once that both Navarro's sister and mother heard voices and saw poo poo, so I'd guess any scene with her alone or with 1 other person or an orange may be entirely in her head. I’m with you. I think every time something spooky has happened to her the person has been pointing in her face which was also from the traumatic flashback to her mother.
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I’m enjoying the show for the most part, but every time they shoehorn in a reference to season 1 it just pisses me off and seems really cheap. Leave my absolutely perfect season 1 out of this, please! Things I do like: the close-knit community that the native women have formed and how they care for each other, the set design is great- love the stacked boxes of food and diapers everywhere, and also some genuinely creepy visuals. When the nurse at the hospital warned “he’s hard to look at” and there was basically a walking dead zombie in the hospital bed I laughed. It was good fun.
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Feb 1, 2024 19:56
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poo poo, I took care of half a dozen people this week who look.worse than him.
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What's with the trend of TV shows going with low episode counts and yet the writing still dragging like they're trying to fill the time of a 10, 13 or even 22 episode season? I'd have no problem with how slow this is going if there was still another 7 episodes to go, but there's only 3! The plot hasn't really moved forward at all and we barely know anything about the characters.
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You're not asking the right questions. The question is: "DO YOU HAVE MAC N CHEESE?"
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tetrapyloctomy posted:poo poo, I took care of half a dozen people this week who look.worse than him. Sorry. The thread's turned against this season. Now you're going to have to wait until SE06 when people rediscover it if the pattern holds. Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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th3t00t posted:What's with the trend of TV shows going with low episode counts and yet the writing still dragging like they're trying to fill the time of a 10, 13 or even 22 episode season? I understand where you're coming from but don't know what the solution would be. If you made big things happen sooner that means you'd have to drag out the crisis and denouement longer than a 14 episode season does as a % of overall screen time. If you only have six episodes then there is a reasonable chance all of the major movement to the finish line will happen in the last episode. That's not necessarily a terrible thing if done well. Bright Bart fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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https://x.com/culturecrave/status/1753151155876823265?s=46
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So far the connections haven't been important to the plot, essentially just easter eggs and nods to a few things. The only relevant one is the Spiral turning out to possibly be some Real poo poo that the S1 cult stumbled into, which I don't think is that big of a deal.
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The cult didn't invent the crooked spiral or the yellow king. They were just using the iconography because they thought it looked neat.
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Like how modern satanism doesn't worship Satan, they just know using a statue of bophsmet will be offensive
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Bright Bart posted:I understand where you're coming from but don't know what the solution would be. It feels like they're building to the classic TD episode 4/5 mid season shoot out, except this time it's going to be episode 6 and it's the season finale. No back half of the season to look forward to afterwards. I'd love to be wrong and have episodes 4, 5, 6 knock our collective socks off. But I'm not holding my breath.
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I never would've even known there was any connection with season 1 if I didn't check Twitter, it's such a small thing that's not important or worth getting riled up about and Nic Pizza is an unprofessional child even if this show isn't great.
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Some of yall are so loving bored you are going to hatewatch the entire season.
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Sickening posted:Some of yall are so loving board you are going to hatewatch the entire season. This is a thread for discussing the show so it's not that surprising that some people are also expressing negative opinions about it
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Sickening posted:Some of yall are so loving board you are going to hatewatch the entire season. It is OK to watch shows and criticize them for their positive and negative qualities
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I don’t mind the spiral or the Tuttle references, because in the grander scheme of things they make thematic sense. The Rust’s dad thing should be met with a collective groan because it was pointless fan service. As another poster said: Leave my perfect season of television alone.
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Bright Bart posted:Sorry. The thread's turned against this season. Now you're going to have to wait until SE06 when people rediscover it if the pattern holder. You're probably right, unfortunately. But seriously, in the last month I saw a dude where his wounds -- which I can't even describe because their extent and severity make them so specific that it might entail a literal HIPAA violation to do so -- were such that a decade ago I would have laughed if I saw a show where someone with them were still living. Just Bad Taste levels of what-the-fuckery. Anyway, I'm still enjoying this season. I like watching the characters and their interactions, and the imagery is good and scratches a horror itch I've had.
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Sickening posted:Some of yall are so loving bored you are going to hatewatch the entire season. I think you’re from Maine 
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my bony fealty posted:It is OK to watch shows and criticize them for their positive and negative qualities No, that's sickening
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Even the best shows in TVIV go through this same thing, I’m afraid. At least this season doesn’t have the poster who is scared of ceiling fans typing up paragraphs of nonsense after every episode.
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my bony fealty posted:It is OK to watch shows and criticize them for their positive and negative qualities Well, yes, but there’s a certain amount of refusing to engage with what the show is giving us on display here. It’s become clear pretty quickly that Lopez’ story is less interested in what happened to a bunch of white guys in the science lab and more interested in indigenous (and specifically indigenous women’s) hardships and trauma. We’ve had quite a lot of development in the latter and but it seems like a lot of posters only care about the former, so they complain about “nothing happening”. The dead dudes are just a little bit of plot magic to drive what the show really wants to talk about. Now that’s not necessarily the audience’s fault - HBO decided to shoehorn this into an existing IP that people already have very specific expectations for. And in a backwards way Nicky P is right (you do not in fact have to hand it to him); cramming in S1 references is bad, but not because it sullies the sanctity of the show before, but because it’s continuing to make people believe this show is something that it’s not.
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I kinda like how slow it's been going so far. I dunno if anything will be as good as season 1 but having just binged all the previous seasons to catch up with this one, I really wanna find out what happens to all the characters. The connections to season 1 can be a little silly but I do like how the imagery was used sometimes so far.
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Freaquency posted:Well, yes, but there’s a certain amount of refusing to engage with what the show is giving us on display here. It’s become clear pretty quickly that Lopez’ story is less interested in what happened to a bunch of white guys in the science lab and more interested in indigenous (and specifically indigenous women’s) hardships and trauma. We’ve had quite a lot of development in the latter and but it seems like a lot of posters only care about the former, so they complain about “nothing happening”. The dead dudes are just a little bit of plot magic to drive what the show really wants to talk about. Like yeah, people don't think a tv show you like is very good, that must mean they're racist, sure Personally I would be fine with a show that was less focused on the mystery aspect. My issue is kind of the opposite: the other aspects of the show don't seem to very fleshed out, and a lot of the scenes where the main characters talk to other characters seem to exist solely so, e.g. those characters can deliver a single line that the show wants them to deliver, or so they can be an obstacle for the main characters, rather than actually treating them as three dimensional characters However, I think to some extent this can't be fully judged until the show ends, which is which is why I have been repeatedly saying that I am still watching the show, but I am not that optimistic about it ending well since we have already seen three out of six episodes and the pacing seems pretty weird given that length. As other people have said, the pacing would be much less concerning if it was planned to be longer. mystes fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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mystes posted:1) This is not an accurate description of what people are complaining about. 2) The main mystery does involve at least one indigenous person so to the extent that people are complaining that the mystery hasn't been developed, that absolutely does not mean they only care about white men or whatever, jesus christ Way to make up a thing to be mad about. I’m not calling you racist just because you don’t like the show 
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Then you worded this extremely poorly:Freaquency posted:It’s become clear pretty quickly that Lopez’ story is less interested in what happened to a bunch of white guys in the science lab and more interested in indigenous (and specifically indigenous women’s) hardships and trauma. As I said, the mystery does involve indigenous women, so it might be fair to say that some viewers are more interested in the mystery angle than the "hardships and trauma" but you worded that in a way that implied that people were more interested in "white guys" than "indigenous women" which is extremely misleading. My apologies if you didn't intentionally mean to imply that and just accidentally phrased your post poorly though. (Perhaps you just didn't notice that there were indigenous women involved in the mystery because you aren't that interested in that aspect.) mystes fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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mystes posted:Then you worded this extremely poorly: Calling attention to the contrast is not calling anyone racist. If anything the show is explicit about this contrast too - no one cares when Annie dies and it’s possibly covered up by the police; but these guys die and suddenly Anchorage is there and it’s a big to-do. Navarro certainly seems to think it’s messed up! There’s a long history of the deaths and disappearances of indigenous people or people of color being disregarded and the show is pretty clearly attempting to tackle that.
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Freaquency posted:Calling attention to the contrast is not calling anyone racist. On the other hand, your original post literally ignored Annie's death in the interest of presenting a false dichotomy between being interested in the mystery and being interested in the hardships of indigenous people.
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