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I think it might have been better if we did more nuclear power in the past, but at this point I'm not convinced it's even worth trying to do new nuclear instead of just focusing on renewable power, because it would probably take so long to do it in the US that there's no point. not that we aren't probably hosed either way
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just get the shipbuilders to crank out more aircraft carrier reactors and hook 'em up to the grid
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Jabor posted:just get the shipbuilders to crank out more aircraft carrier reactors and hook 'em up to the grid i hear russia had the same idea once didn't end well
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Did the russians use a pencil (as a mediator)?
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i talked to a friend who's in the nuclear industry and he said something like "yeah the south korean apr-1400 is very good and all but it's boring", and i'm like, that sounds like exactly what you want for a nuclear power plant? plain old bwr's and pwr's with updated safety features are really quite good, it's just that most of the western world lost institutional knowledge on how to build them and it's been very very expensive to try to regain that knowledge. the south koreans didn't lose it and can build 1400 megawatt reactors on time and on budget. it's well understood technology, but of course the industry isn't really interested in that because it's not that profitable and takes ages to pay off the capital costs. it's a lot more profitable to gently caress around with new and experimental designs, there are a lot of "innovation" grifting opportunities open here TheFluff fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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Elder Postsman posted:
yeah this was something that really stuck with me from reading 17776 and made me start cutting certain technologies out of my life where possible
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calvin's dad is right about everything. that's a role model right there
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rotor posted:my beef is that a lot of it is needless. In the end its just a no-op except for the fact that we spend more energy to stay in place. please do the needless
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i think there's a reason there were big and influential anti-nuclear movements in the eighties and nineties and i don't think the answer comes down to "people just aren't informed." it's a very computer toucher mindset of "no, no, you can't disagree, you just simply don't understand it as well as i do!" nuclear power CAN be run safely, and yet there's plenty of examples where it hasn't. and the risks were known before they happened, and they were ignored for one reason or another. safety procedures got lax, maintenance was deferred, and then all of a sudden it blew up in everyone's face (in the case of chernobyl, quite literally). like, maybe as long as we're a society that can't keep these things maintained and operating safely - and, in fact, one where the incentives are to let things get as bad as they can before fixing them - we shouldn't be building them?
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Truman Peyote posted:calvin's dad is right about everything. that's a role model right there one of the great modern philosophers (and pretty yospos sometimes)
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i don't know if i recognize this one. i wonder if there's some late calvin and hobbes that i've never read
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mystes posted:as they say, peeps who would entrain speed for security deserve neither [nods sagely]
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aardvaard posted:i think there's a reason there were big and influential anti-nuclear movements in the eighties and nineties and i don't think the answer comes down to "people just aren't informed." it's a very computer toucher mindset of "no, no, you can't disagree, you just simply don't understand it as well as i do!" i've raised this point before on SA and people were like "it's one of the most well-regulated industries in the world" and I'm like ok but what if that gets eroded the same way all the other goddamn regulatory agencies have gotten eroded, and people were just like "well that won't happen" ok
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nuclear power is bad dumb and unsafe and I’m glad it has failed. topic locked
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like you want me to implicitly trust the industry that murdered karen silkwood so hard they made a loving movie about it? really?
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as opposed to the fossil fuel industry, which has never killed anyone
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i think we both know that the power industry, whether it makes that power by nuclear, wind, coal, oil, solar, mouse farts, hamster wheels or geothermal, has and would kill people who get in the way of profits.
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BMan posted:as opposed to the fossil fuel industry, which has never killed anyone you can in fact call both out as bullshit, its okay, i give you permission
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https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1753422802005147831 one more for the graveyard but don't worry they're sad https://twitter.com/searchliaison/status/1753156161509916873
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nuclear power is dangerous and unsafe but for the last 40, 50 years the alternative has been coal or oil, which are even more dangerous and less safe and well-meaning-but-misguided environmentalists have accellerated climate change by a good bit because they didnt know when to compromise.
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rotor posted:i think we both know that the power industry, whether it makes that power by nuclear, wind, coal, oil, solar, mouse farts, hamster wheels or geothermal, has and would kill people who get in the way of profits. sure, and if people were treating them equally that'd be fine, but there's this overriding trend of "nuclear will save us and anyone who disagrees for any reason is just an uninformed idiot who's afraid of radiation" among nerds that really gets my goat, idk
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Pinterest Mom posted:https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1753422802005147831 this is why i absolutely cannot understand people investing any time at all in gcp. like they're just gonna rugpull you in a few years, why bother
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don't worry, I'm sad too
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mediaphage posted:tech bubble v5.23: Paris to New York needs 8,800 dead pigs BORN TO FLY FUEL IS A gently caress Burn Em All 2024 I am swine man 410,757,864,530 DEAD PIGS
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Broken Machine posted:please do the needless every day brother
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All the tools used to proof and vet are being killed off, and the armsrace of AI/SEO is the death of context. I feel like the workload archive.org is gonna have to deal with now is going to be bonkers, which means they'll be under fire again soon I always hoped that google cache would become a public service before google murked it but here we are Ironic that Metal Gear(!?)'s Hideous Kojimbo thought AI would be the saviour in the early 2001 Welcome to the misinformation age folks mystes posted:Did the russians use a pencil (as a mediator)? only in moderation Expo70 fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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rotor posted:nuclear power is dangerous and unsafe but for the last 40, 50 years the alternative has been coal or oil, which are even more dangerous and less safe and well-meaning-but-misguided environmentalists have accellerated climate change by a good bit because they didnt know when to compromise.
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Shame Boy posted:sure, and if people were treating them equally that'd be fine, but there's this overriding trend of "nuclear will save us and anyone who disagrees for any reason is just an uninformed idiot who's afraid of radiation" among nerds that really gets my goat, idk me too. It mostly just makes people mad when I say it, which only increases my own energy supply
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Shame Boy posted:sure, and if people were treating them equally that'd be fine, but there's this overriding trend of "nuclear will save us and anyone who disagrees for any reason is just an uninformed idiot who's afraid of radiation" among nerds that really gets my goat, idk a big part of that is "being at the mercy of mother nature" which horrifies them if a system fails, they say build a magically x% better one they all wanna brute-force "more", not realizing that the only way not to break sometimes is to yield if there's one thing egotistical nerds who pretend to know more than they actually do can't stand its the idea of being beaten by a woman let alone being asked to understand her god forbid yield to her
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rotor posted:nuclear power is dangerous and unsafe but for the last 40, 50 years the alternative has been coal or oil, which are even more dangerous and less safe and well-meaning-but-misguided environmentalists have accellerated climate change by a good bit because they didnt know when to compromise. yeah those people were dumb and the lost knowledge and progress on nuclear is directly responsible for climate change. I'm glad they feel good about their intentions though.
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On the other hand I enjoy the warmer weather
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rotor posted:nuclear power is dangerous and unsafe but for the last 40, 50 years the alternative has been coal or oil, which are even more dangerous and less safe and well-meaning-but-misguided environmentalists have accellerated climate change by a good bit because they didnt know when to compromise. it's actually cause coal just got way cheaper but you can blame it on the environmentalists if it makes you feel better
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aardvaard posted:it's actually cause coal just got way cheaper but you can blame it on the environmentalists if it makes you feel better theres plenty of blame to go around, we dont have to give it all to one group of people
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Shame Boy posted:like you want me to implicitly trust the industry that murdered karen silkwood so hard they made a loving movie about it? really? well that's the exact gotcha that's part of the problem. Karen Silkwood was murdered by the nuclear weapons industry, not the civilian nuclear power industry. the nuclear weapons industry has a near endless list of terrible things theyve done:
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Pinterest Mom posted:but don't worry they're sad this is such bullshit. just last month i helped my sister-in-law find a recipe she loved that had gone offline using the cached google page. wayback machine didn't have it, but google sure did. now whenever that happens to someone in the future, welp guess you don't want to read anything older than like, 3 years or something.
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Pinterest Mom posted:https://twitter.com/tomwarren/status/1753422802005147831
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mystes posted:I don't understand why they even felt the need to remove this they want their search page to be ai gobbledygook gpt poo poo, and page history lets you access real information created by humans. There you go.
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somebody's content farm numbers were down last quarter and they managed to scapegoat the cache feature and get it killed all information retreival features are obstacles to replacing the entire web with billboards mortared together with llm excrement
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my first instinct was hosting costs but idk how much that feature would cost them
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Eeyo posted:this is such bullshit. google is getting bad enough it's making me want to setup a web crawler for a local index of pages i've liked lol
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