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I mean, the Prophets are just as bad as the Candle Ghost when it comes to consent - arguably worse.
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Feb 2, 2024 06:12
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If the Sisko teaches the Prophets anything, the first thing should be about why it was hosed up that they mindraped his mom into giving birth to him.zoux posted:Jake saying the n-word in FBTS When did who do whatnow? zoux posted:as far as I can recall those are the only two instances in which anti-black racism from the 20th century is directly addressed in Star Trek, I feel like there must've been some kind of reference to it in the Bell Riots or Time's Arrow, but that's the 19th and 21st centuries. Maybe something in Voyage Home? Usually Star Trek scorns the idea of directly referencing real-world terrestial politics. Maybe Enterprise could've mentioned it at some point? There was an episode where they visited an old timey cowboy planet and an episode with T'pol's ancestor going to past Earth, that could've had something.
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Feb 2, 2024 06:14
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SlothfulCobra posted:an episode with T'pol's ancestor going to past Earth, that could've had something. This one had an all white cast, zero minorities of any kind lol
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Feb 2, 2024 06:26
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SlothfulCobra posted:I feel like there must've been some kind of reference to it in the Bell Riots or Time's Arrow, but that's the 19th and 21st centuries. Maybe something in Voyage Home? I don't think they said anything out loud in the Bell Riots but it's strongly implicit throughout, you can tell the episode was cast with it in mind.
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Feb 2, 2024 06:40
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SlothfulCobra posted:When did who do whatnow? Jimmy in Far Beyond the Stars posted:Well, I've got news for you: today or a hundred years from now, it don't make a bit of difference. As far as they're concerned, we'll always be 'niggers'.
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Feb 2, 2024 06:42
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zoux posted:as far as I can recall those are the only two instances in which anti-black racism from the 20th century is directly addressed in Star Trek, though I'm happy to stand corrected. A lot of the racist dialogue in The Undiscovered Country is directly rooted in 20th century anti-Black racism (which is why Brock Peters and Nichelle Nichols refused to say some of it).
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Feb 2, 2024 07:53
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Actual Satan posted:This one had an all white cast, zero minorities of any kind lol Have you ever been to a Pennsylvania coal mining town?
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Feb 2, 2024 15:12
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Sash! posted:Have you ever been to a Pennsylvania coal mining town? I mean even the scenes on the Enterprise too.
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Feb 2, 2024 15:30
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They really should have done a whole episode of Janeway's gothic romance holonovel
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Feb 2, 2024 15:56
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SlothfulCobra posted:I feel like there must've been some kind of reference to it in the Bell Riots or Time's Arrow, but that's the 19th and 21st centuries. Time's Arrow completely ignored the race issue. To pick the biggest example, no one in 1893 saw anything unusual about Guinan being an upper-class socialite, rubbing elbows with the literary elite.
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Feb 2, 2024 16:45
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Powered Descent posted:Time's Arrow completely ignored the race issue. To pick the biggest example, no one in 1893 saw anything unusual about Guinan being an upper-class socialite, rubbing elbows with the literary elite. Because it wasn't unheard of. Look at Mary Ellen Pleasant, for example. And it makes sense for Clemens to have been the one hanging out with Guinan since he was very anti-racism.
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Feb 2, 2024 17:30
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https://twitter.com/afrocosmist/status/1700164423120281680 I don't think I ever thought about it before, but drat, Quark had some wild future fashions on him. I'd be more willing to buy a suit from him than Garak.
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Feb 2, 2024 18:42
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where do you think Quark got his outfits from?
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Feb 2, 2024 18:51
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Yeah, Quark is always dressed to the nines. The costume designer must've loved their work.
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Feb 2, 2024 18:53
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:where do you think Quark got his outfits from? Garak's shop was literally within walking distance of his bar, 
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Feb 2, 2024 19:12
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Zaroff posted:The only problem with Sisko saying he will be back is that it doesn’t change anything!
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Feb 2, 2024 20:02
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nine-gear crow posted:Garak's shop was literally within walking distance of his bar, yeah, that's what i was getting at. SlothfulCobra said they would "be more willing to buy a suit from him than Garak." the intent of my question was to ask SlothfulCobra where they think Quark was getting those suits from, with the implication that Quark was getting them from Garak. i'm sorry i failed to clearly communicate that
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Feb 2, 2024 20:47
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:i'm sorry i failed to clearly communicate that Just blame it on a glitch in the universal translator, that always works for me.
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Feb 2, 2024 20:59
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davidspackage posted:Yeah, Quark is always dressed to the nines. The costume designer must've loved their work. I really want a Quark-level outfit. It's on my list of things to acquire if money isn't a problem. Have they ever done a Star Trek episode of Project Runway or something?
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Feb 2, 2024 21:21
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Have they ever done a Star Trek episode of Project Runway or something? https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Catwalk_(episode)
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Feb 2, 2024 21:41
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:Have they ever done a Star Trek episode of Project Runway or something? I don't remember which show it was, but back in the 1990's I saw a program that went though the best and worst dressed TV characters. On the worst dressed list: Neelix. The show compared his outfits to the fabric you'd see on sofas and suggested he take page from "Uncle Martin" from My Favorite Martian and go with a metallic one-piece suit.  Yes, it's weird that I can remember this after all these years. The_Other fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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Feb 2, 2024 22:02
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And then there's the memes about Jake basically wearing the seats from a city bus
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Feb 2, 2024 22:16
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The_Other posted:I don't remember which show it was, but back in the 1990's I saw a program that went though the best and worst dressed TV characters. On the worst dressed list: Neelix. The show compared his outfits to the fabric you'd see on sofas and suggested he take page from "Uncle Martin" from My Favorite Martian and go with a metallic one-piece suit. Always suspected there was something more than meets the eye going on with Boothby.
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Feb 2, 2024 23:14
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SlothfulCobra posted:https://twitter.com/afrocosmist/status/1700164423120281680 I don't think I ever thought about it before, but drat, Quark had some wild future fashions on him. I'd be more willing to buy a suit from him than Garak. I love the last one in that tweet, the vaguely tie-dye pink-to-blue one.
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Feb 2, 2024 23:20
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Quark did indeed say Trans Rights
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Feb 2, 2024 23:27
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loving hell I chortled
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Feb 3, 2024 04:13
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Phy posted:And then there's the memes about Jake basically wearing the seats from a city bus But on Jake they work? His later season clothing is strongly reminiscent of African kente cloth.
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Feb 3, 2024 04:26
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CPColin posted:Beverly Crusher is typing... What a snipe. 
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Feb 3, 2024 04:47
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I miss sci-fi with weird future fashion. It feels like everything now just goes for pretty much modern styles, but possibly grungier. Give me more catsuits and neon.
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Feb 3, 2024 07:57
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MikeJF posted:My little headcanon is that Sisko is 'still missing' to the galaxy but yeah he's just been chilling back at their house and hasn't told anyone but family and friends.
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Feb 3, 2024 13:04
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Knormal posted:I miss sci-fi with weird future fashion. It feels like everything now just goes for pretty much modern styles, but possibly grungier. Give me more catsuits and neon. Unfortunately, as a society we've finally realized the future isn't going to be cool and fun, it's going to be boring and bad
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Feb 3, 2024 13:07
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Knormal posted:I miss sci-fi with weird future fashion. It feels like everything now just goes for pretty much modern styles, but possibly grungier. Give me more catsuits and neon. Normally yes but 90s Trek human fashion has always whiffed it for me. TNG especially. DS9 was a bit better.
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Feb 3, 2024 13:13
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The_Other posted:I don't remember which show it was, but back in the 1990's I saw a program that went though the best and worst dressed TV characters. On the worst dressed list: Neelix. The show compared his outfits to the fabric you'd see on sofas and suggested he take page from "Uncle Martin" from My Favorite Martian and go with a metallic one-piece suit. That's what the well-dressed Space Family was wearing in the 60s. 
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Feb 3, 2024 14:19
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Knormal posted:I miss sci-fi with weird future fashion. It feels like everything now just goes for pretty much modern styles, but possibly grungier. Give me more catsuits and neon. Modern fashion just went through a whole period of mainstreaming totalitarian, cyberpunk and post-apocalyptic fits. There's little distance between the stuff in Death Stranding, Cyberpunk 2020 or Deus Ex and reality seeing as they were designed by actual fashion designers and the pieces sometimes went on sale. It's played out now, but the early Veilance stuff was basically sci-fi villain cosplay. Neon had a tiny moment in the 90s revival phase mainstream women's fashion are in. It kind of peaked with the Mugler x HM collab. Reminds me a bit of The Fifth Element, and I swear I saw something like those signal orange rubber suspenders in the store around the same time.    
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Feb 3, 2024 14:26
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I swear that second photo is something the new Doctor Who is wearing this season!
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Feb 3, 2024 15:54
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Babylon 5 struck a good balance with its 23rd century civilian clothing. It's largely similar to modern stuff, but with enough small differences to be plausibly futuristic -- shirts don't have stand-up collars, jacket lapels are shaped differently, people almost never wear the top shirt button open -- but it's not SO out there that it becomes distracting. You could get away with wearing one of Morden's suits today, unlike the wacky getups the civilians on the Enterprise-D usually wore. (That's the Human clothes, mind you. If we're talking Centauri fashion, all bets are off.)  
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Feb 3, 2024 17:58
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I dunno...I'm pretty sure that blue tunic+unicorn leggings outfit wouldn't be too out of place on a modern 5th grader.
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Feb 3, 2024 18:05
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Yeah those guys aren't bad. Some of the season one civvy wear in TNG is okay, although that might just be because of sheer numbers (we saw a lot more casual wear backgrounds on the enterprise in S1). But aside from that TNG tended to just shove everyone in awful unitardsPhy posted:And then there's the memes about Jake basically wearing the seats from a city bus Jake had three distinct eras of outfit: hypercolor one-piece, bus seat fabric, and BROWN VEST The vest era actually wasn't too bad as these things go. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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It’s worth remembering that the costume design for the original series and the next generation (at least the first few seasons) of Star Trek were done by an incredibly influential, super acclaimed fashion designer, William Ware Theiss*. Theiss infamously didn’t care about how wearable his ST costumes were, especially for women, but he did see his costumes as an opportunity to push design in ways he couldn’t in contemporary clothing on or off the runway. So some of it was wearable, some was meant to be very aspirational. In other words, Theiss set the standard for Star Trek clothing NOT being something you’d wear around the real world time of production. *Theiss also helped defeat the Nazis by developing inflatable tanks for D-Day. Arivia fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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