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I’m still curious about the reasoning behind how the How to Train Your Dragon anchor ride is just another roller coaster and not just copying Flight of Passage, an overwhelmingly popular attraction whose literal central concept is… flying on the back of a dragon. Is it that Universal wants to stubbornly differentiate themselves from Disney? Are there too many copyright barriers? Are they unable to adequately replicate the technology? Or unwilling because of cost?
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Here's a neat relevant story. A car wash near my house had a '59 Cadillac as part of the theming. The owner sold the car wash and someone bought the Cadillac. That person decided to try his luck and sell it online. Universal Studios Orlando purchased it. They're going to turn it into an Ecto-1 replica. That got me thinking what they'll use it for. Universal doesn't have any Ghostbusters rides or anything planned that I know of. It would be weird to just stick it somewhere in one of the parks. Have they hinted at a Ghostbusters haunt for HHN?
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Jan 31, 2024 23:56
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They do have a bunch of random street parked iconic cars already. Usually there’s costumed performers for photo ops near them a few times a day.
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Aphrodite posted:They do have a bunch of random street parked iconic cars already. Usually there’s costumed performers for photo ops near them a few times a day. Where? I was there a few months ago and I totally can't remember them. The only one I can remember is from an old trip and they had the Blues Brothers and replica of whatever car they had.
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From what I understand, How To Train your Dragon has that spinny Six Flags-esque flat ride and a boat ride. Yeah, why doesn't it have a flight simulator and/or a flying roller coaster? Meanwhile, the Monsters land has a ride similar to the Forbidden Journey ride system (possibly without the screen portions), and a... spinning coaster. Seems like the ideal place for a boat ride though? Why a spinning coaster? And then of course, Mario Kart is very misguidedly an augmented reality shooter dark ride rather than a fast thrill ride. The DK roller coaster does seem appropriate though. But overall, some very odd choices for ride systems. Aphrodite posted:The DeSantis case has been dismissed. Big oof. Hope this isn't the end of this.
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Jose Oquendo posted:Where? I was there a few months ago and I totally can't remember them. The only one I can remember is from an old trip and they had the Blues Brothers and replica of whatever car they had. You know, I might actually be thinking of LA. But in Florida I’ve definitely seen the Mystery Machine. Studios side, the route from the main shop towards Mel’s. Edit: Nope, googled it and they also do the Simpsons RV there too. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Feb 1, 2024 00:07
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Jose Oquendo posted:Here's a neat relevant story. 40th Anniversary is coming. We're getting a Tribute Store on the level of the Jurassic Park one last year.
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Aphrodite posted:The DeSantis case has been dismissed. 
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:From what I understand, How To Train your Dragon has that spinny Six Flags-esque flat ride and a boat ride. Yeah, why doesn't it have a flight simulator and/or a flying roller coaster? HTTYD also has a roller coaster. The main ride in Monsters is literally a forbidden journey clone with different setpieces. Like, even the layout is the same, they just reskinned a known good ride system. The spinning coaster is because they needed another attraction after they couldn’t make the second potter ride work, and they already had Mack on the phone. That spot was originally supposed to be a stage show.
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It's nice to see them in retreat from Fantastic Beasts because, y'know, gently caress the wizarding world but gently caress that franchise in particular, but also a hearty lol at whoever is having to put a modern-day government building in England and 1920s France in the same land and make it make any sort of sense, let alone be tonally consistent. Good luck, buddy. Also no walk-through renders or even concept art of anything but the hub world means we don't know if they're doing full immersion on the lands, except for Nintendo World because we've already seen that. It's the new paradigm so I'd expect it, but who knows? And seriously, how are they gonna pull off a 70 year timeskip and two different countries?
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I think they’re either gunna have to build some emergency support flat rides to deal with demand or this park is going to have a lot of pissed off people in ridiculous queues. Also cloning FJ seems like such a swing and a miss. I can understand wanting to use the Robo Arms again but not moving the tech on doesn’t scream ground-breaking park.
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This is the same resort that cloned Spiderman 14 years later to build Transformers. Also Kong and F&F. BTTF was reused for Simpsons. Hanna-Barbera / Jimmy Neutron/ Minions was reused over and over then they opened a similar attraction for Jimmy Fallon. Universal doesn't do a lot of innovation. They do some... then reuse it for decades.
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Feb 1, 2024 14:36
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Zero One posted:This is the same resort that cloned Spiderman 14 years later to build Transformers.
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Dugong posted:I think they’re either gunna have to build some emergency support flat rides to deal with demand or this park is going to have a lot of pissed off people in ridiculous queues. Don't think it's a straight clone. It's a newer generation kuka arm for sure, also the loading bay is designed to be circular rather than a straight line like FJ. It also doesn't have the static travel screens like FJ either (all of this was in Alicia's reporting from like September). Calling it a clone feels kind of disingenuous with the details we have. Part of me feels like there's not enough flat rides, but it does look like there's a few shows that'll help. There's also a number of expansion pads. That Potter world is a mess though. MoM is fine, but as mentioned, they're in entirely different time periods. You basically have a ride that has zero reason to exist in that land.
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Feb 1, 2024 18:00
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Forbidden Journey uses the G2. There's a G3 concept that's the G2 system running on a full-on rollercoaster. It's probably something in the middle of those. Edit: Although I guess any version that runs on a non-flat track would technically be the G3, just I doubt it'll have as much vertical movement as the old concept videos. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Feb 1, 2024 |
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Feb 1, 2024 18:13
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Zero One posted:This is the same resort that cloned Spiderman 14 years later to build Transformers. Transformers is not a direct clone of Spider-Man, they have different layouts. Transformers even has a lift system because it traverses two floors. Transformers is also less reliant on physical sets and more reliant on simulated speed than Spider-Man. Also, Disney does this too. How many omnimovers do they have? Several, and it used to be even more. How many slow moving boat rides? How many "move up and down while spinning in a circle" rides? Star Tours and Body Wars were the exact same simulators. Rise, Runaway Railway, and Ratatouille are also all the same type of ride system. Numerous rides are a re-skin of an old ride. There's more examples. The actual issue is that Universal has a problem with choosing a ride system that doesn't serve the IP well.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Transformers is not a direct clone of Spider-Man, they have different layouts. Transformers even has a lift system because it traverses two floors. Transformers is also less reliant on physical sets and more reliant on simulated speed than Spider-Man. Not trying to argue with you since you’re way more well-versed in this, but all those are great examples of how Disney constantly innovates. Body Wars/Star Tours was a completely new ride system from ILM and aeronautical companies. Universal has yet to figure out trackless rides and Disney has pumped out three wildly different ones over the last 5 years. Guardians is totally unparalleled, and so is FoP. Hell, even Swirling Saucers is a new take on the teacup ride.
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Rise/Remi & runaway are quite different
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You can actually get your own FoP off the shelf from the same company as the Robocoaster that Forbidden Journey uses.
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Aphrodite posted:You can actually get your own FoP off the shelf from the same company as the Robocoaster that Forbidden Journey uses. Call me when the Forbidden Journey vehicles respond to the story like living breathing animals and have a cool little screen for me to gently caress with while I wait for the ride to start 
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Aphrodite posted:You can actually get your own FoP off the shelf from the same company as the Robocoaster that Forbidden Journey uses. For those who are interested: https://www.simworx.co.uk/products/ The epitome of "We have Spiderman/Soarin/Flight of Passage at home..."
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Aphrodite posted:You can actually get your own FoP off the shelf from the same company as the Robocoaster that Forbidden Journey uses.
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CapnAndy posted:It's nice to see them in retreat from Fantastic Beasts because, y'know, gently caress the wizarding world but gently caress that franchise in particular, but also a hearty lol at whoever is having to put a modern-day government building in England and 1920s France in the same land and make it make any sort of sense, let alone be tonally consistent. Good luck, buddy. the entire land itself is all 1920's Wizarding Paris. You use the Floo network to go from Paris to the UK Ministry of Magic, so internally that makes sense. The whole time shift is where it gets wildly stupid.
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Hazo posted:Not trying to argue with you since you’re way more well-versed in this, but all those are great examples of how Disney constantly innovates. Body Wars/Star Tours was a completely new ride system from ILM and aeronautical companies. Universal has yet to figure out trackless rides and Disney has pumped out three wildly different ones over the last 5 years. Guardians is totally unparalleled, and so is FoP. Hell, even Swirling Saucers is a new take on the teacup ride. In most cases these days, the ride vehicles, ride system, and often the ride track are designed and built by a third party. It's common enough that it is definitely the rule rather than the exception. This is the case with all three recent trackless rides at WDW. I don't know the company offhand though. In the case of Rise, they of course had to work with WDI to incorporate the drop and motion base in the drop lift. For what it's worth, as mediocre or lame as they are, the trackless truck/bus on Kong/Fast were actually designed and built in-house by Universal Creative. Swirling Saucers and Mater's Junkyard Jamboree are also a skinned off-the-shelf flat ride. Upsidads posted:Rise/Remi & runaway are quite different If we're just discussing ride systems, this is getting a bit pedantic. However, Disney was smart to make the ride experience and visuals on Rise, Runaway Railway, and Ratatouille very different while Transformers is obviously a bit too similar to Spider-Man. They did change it up with the Jurassic World ride in Universal Beijing, though, which uses a newer version of the Spider-Man/Transformers ride vehicles and ride system but is more like combining Dinosaur at DAK with Spider-Man. In general, for whatever reason, Disney is very good about picking a ride system that makes sense for the IP, while Universal often seems like they're theming around whatever deals they got from the manufacturers. But Universal is not without its innovative contributions to the theme park industry. The original USF lineup was all cutting edge in 1990. Spider-Man in 1999 and Forbidden Journey were jaw-droppingly high tech and envelope pushing.
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Also the ride system is a complete prototype so 100% guarantee it’ll be broken down half the time for the first six months to a year till they work out the kinks. e: I’m referring to the new potter ride, because it’s yet another case of them trying to do something different and completely untested which means nobody knows how it’s gonna break yet Coasterphreak fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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Yeah my roommate opened gringotts and it was wild how under capacity they ran for months. I think the idea was to run with something like 10 RVs and they had 3 on opening day. Numbers aren’t accurate because I’m remembering conversations from like a decade ago but it was something like that.
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Something else to keep in mind about the decision making for opening day rides at EU is that they’re actively trying *not* to replicate the failures of the first UO park, where literally none of the major attractions worked on opening day. I’m sure they’ve got more innovative stuff in the pipeline, but they want poo poo that works for their shiny new six billion dollar theme park.
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Yeah, that's a good point. An entire park full of new concept rides that are down all the time would be a PR disaster.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:In most cases these days, the ride vehicles, ride system, and often the ride track are designed and built by a third party. It's common enough that it is definitely the rule rather than the exception. This is the case with all three recent trackless rides at WDW. I don't know the company offhand though. In the case of Rise, they of course had to work with WDI to incorporate the drop and motion base in the drop lift. For what it's worth, as mediocre or lame as they are, the trackless truck/bus on Kong/Fast were actually designed and built in-house by Universal Creative. A cursory Google confirms all three trackless rides were designed in-house by Imagineering. Nobody seems to know exactly who the manufacturers are, likely because there were several involved in the wildly complex ride systems, but I’ve seen unsourced claims they’re from Roush Entertainment and ETF among others.
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We’re probably going to Disney World again in the fall with our then 3 and 5 year old. Probably going to stay at Port Orleans French Quarter, as that seems like a nice vibe/price balance. I do want to see if there end up being good Wilderness Lodge deals but am not holding my breath. Unfortunately we’re starting to get locked into the school year calendar, so we are probably going to have to take advantage of Veterans Day weekend (fly Saturday, parks Sun-Tues, back on Weds to miss two days of school total). This seems like kind of the best time to go in the fall if you have to attempt to play ball with the school year? I did read something about Jersey Week, but a quick look at the state’s school calendar makes it look like that’s mostly the week prior to when we’re going? Regardless it should be better than Columbus Day weekend from the looks of it.
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I never heard of Jersey week. I've been to WDW a few times during that week and things didn't seem all that bad.
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Jersey Week is real but it's not as bad as an actual holiday. I've been suring Veterans Day week and the crowds were fine, maybe a little heavier than normal if the holiday falls adjacent to a weekend. What was really crazy was that it was still 100 degrees that week.
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lol that they don’t clone the drat mummy ride for their universal monsters poo poo
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why would they build a slow rear end indoor launch coaster when they have kuka arms and four other launch coasters in the park (I love Mummy, it's actually my favorite ride and I'll single rider it like three times in a row)
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I got into WDW discourse/planning through Disney Food Blog five years ago and appreciated the more vibes-based angle they take. I don't really know anything about Universal but we're going there at the end of the year so I'd like to bone up a little. Is there a similar channel or site that takes a similar approach?
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Coasterphreak posted:
Same. Once we finished up islands of adventure and it was all closing and there was I believe 10 minutes left so I said to the ticket person let me in imma run to the mummy They let me and I got the very last go. Sat in the front and I swear they sped it up lol. It was kinda scary in the front ngl. I want someone to tell me if they do speed up the ride if youre one of the last if not the very last ride of the night because goddamn it feels like it lol
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The rollercoaster itself in LA is better than the Orlando one, but it doesn't have Brendan Fraser or the fire room so I like Orlando's better overall.
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I don’t agree with that. Orlando is faster, more intense and has more stuff.
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The real points against the LA one come from the fact they got rid of E.T. to put it in 
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Tbh I wish they would nuke the other ET for another Mummy ride.
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