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Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

it would be pretty trivial for a guitar shop/setup guy to shape the back of the ramp to fit the body

it looks like the tape might be that very thin doublesided tape. if it is, its very forgiving with regards to removing it - no residue usually as it kind of just stretches like 3M hook tape which makes the removal pretty clean.

you could blu-tac it in place to see if you like it before you commit to sticking it down permanently.

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Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!
I'm more of a guitarist than bassist, but I'm a bit confused about where my hand "should" be. I play a PJ bass - should I be placing my hand over the Peanut Bass pickup or the Jelly Bass pickup?

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Depends what sound you want to make

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

it depends on the sound you want. where you play in relation to the bridge will change the sound: further towards the neck will produce a sound with a warmer, bassier characteristic, with less attack. towards the bridge you will get a thinner sound but with more attack, or something along those lines. play around with it and see what it sounds like!

so the advice generally is, change it up depending on when it's called for. but also if you like the sounds you are making you can't really go wrong wherever you place your hand. personally i tend to use the peanut bass pickup position, but many prefer the jelly bass pickup position

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!
Cool, thanks, I didn't want to lock in technique that might get hard to correct later.

Captain Splendid
Jan 7, 2009

Qu'en pense Caffarelli?
I almost always stay around the neck pickup area, but I'd suggest practising closer to the bridge as well from time to time.

That part of the string is tenser so it's actually harder to play there if you're not used to it.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


I'm very casually an electric bass player, but on double bass, as your left hand moves up the fingerboard, your right hand/bow should move proportionally closer to the bridge. For example, if you go from playing an open string to playing at the first octave, your right hand moves halfway to the bridge.

For any given note, playing it with right hand close to the bridge will give more overtones, playing closer to the fingerboard will give more fundamental. Too extreme will either give you no fundamental (the whole point of playing bass, usually) or no overtones (floppy and dead sounding).

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

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Buglord
I've always looked at it in two parts, different tone and different tension. You get that tighter almost nasal sound with no bottom if you play closer to the bridge. While playing at the neck, or even over the neck J pickup or P pickup is just a fatter sound. You can play almost anywhere in between as well depending on preferences. Hell, I've even seen some pick players playing over the fretboard trying to get some of that fretboard clank. Regardless of what I've stated, you can achieve the specific tone you want regardless of where you play with eq if you really wanted to.

tl;dr do what feels and sounds good to you

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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For punchier tone I play closer to the bridge. If I want a huge sound I play closer to the neck.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Play with a pick palm muted

Carol Kaye Edit: play with a pick and tape some felt to the bridge

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
If you are trem picking with a pick it's easier to do so near the bridge cause the string stays stiller

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.


Play wherever is comfortable and/or sounds cool. I play over the bottom of the neck cos I like a darker sound and you can also do the John Entwistle/Ryan Martinie 'typewriter' thing where you hit the strings with your fingers rather than pluck.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
Yeah, experiment with everything and find what works, if it causes discomfort or pain cease. Other than than find you groove

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
There is only one right way to play bass








Louder than the lead guitar.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

all techniques are valid! do what makes the sound you want. I use what suits the band/song, mixture of pick and fingers, in both spots. There isnt really a wrong answer besides something that is uncomfortable.

if I need to play some chords to ring out/add noise and I dont have a pick, I hold my fingers as if I were holding a pick and strum around the 19/20 fret. the neck stops me from digging in too deep and I keep that fingernail long enough so im not bashing my bare fingertip on the strings.

pickup position/shape and guitar design play a factor too. my rickenbacker still has the fake horse-shoe pickup thing on it which makes bridge picking a little hard but kinda gives a nice perch for my thumb for finger picking, while the rounded-over bezel on the neck pickup isnt a great spot once I get sweaty. my Aerodynes P pickups are really low in the body, so the bridge is a better spot to perch.

Rectal Placenta
Feb 25, 2011
My favorite technique:

https://youtu.be/kdA0mW-9jRs?si=ojw4Sb2CZKtRT3yH&t=174

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Elissimpark posted:



Play wherever is comfortable and/or sounds cool. I play over the bottom of the neck cos I like a darker sound and you can also do the John Entwistle/Ryan Martinie 'typewriter' thing where you hit the strings with your fingers rather than pluck.

I've been working on Bernard Edward's ofChichs chugga chugga double thumb technique for years. Still a work in progress. You can clearly hear it in Diana Ross's I'm Coming Up for example.

E: and slapping in general. It's such a bullshit move guaranteed to piss of your band mates unless you maintain that bottom level and precision. Got to put in your shedding work on that one.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
I've been loving about on the double bass with a little slap for rythymic percussion on the off beat

Doesn't always sound good but every so often it gets that sound right

Summit
Mar 6, 2004

David wanted you to have this.
How do you all think about chord notes?

For the longest time I’ve really only thought about them as a shape. I have a certain shape to play either a minor or major arpeggio and that’s basically how it’s mapped in my mind. I’d have to think about what notes are actually contained within.

But I’m now taking lessons for upright and my instructor is encouraging me to forget the patterns and play the notes. It’s hard! I don’t know if the struggle is important and I just get over it or are the patterns a useful tool I shouldn’t let go of entirely.

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape


Planning out my washtub upright

Watch this space, I'm making a bass

Edit:


Doing a proof of design with some pallet pine wood I had lying around

Glad I made the mistakes with the cheap stuff

Jestery fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Feb 13, 2024

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
So... I might be trying out for my first ever band at 41 years old. I'm going to learn a couple of the band's songs from guitar tabs they're sending, record my playing, and send it to them. I'm so nervous and it feels great.

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Summit posted:

How do you all think about chord notes?

It's really tough but I've been trying to think of notes as their positions in each mode relative to the key. (Nashville numbers, I guess?) So if we're playing in Am aka A Aeolian and there's an E7sus4 chord, I know that E is the 5th position of the Aeolian mode, so until the next chord change that means I'm playing in E Phrygian. 7sus4 means 1, 4, 5, b7, so I can play that chord and improv a bit within the Phrygian scale. And then if it moves to G I can do the same in G Mixolydian and build whatever chord and/or improv within that mode, and so on.

So it's still using shapes, but as I practice I'm also calling out each note's position relative to the root note. I think this is also helping my ear training but idk.

Preggo My Eggo! posted:

So... I might be trying out for my first ever band at 41 years old. I'm going to learn a couple of the band's songs from guitar tabs they're sending, record my playing, and send it to them. I'm so nervous and it feels great.

Nice! In my experience, if you can consistently show up on-time and you at least know how to play the root note on the 1 then you're instantly better than 90-100% of the other bassists who responded to the ad. (Unless it's a band that is actively touring and making money)

bees everywhere fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Feb 13, 2024

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
As long as you're easy going, no addictions, have your own car/transportation, and show up to rehearsals you've got the job. You can fix skill with practice, but those other things, surprisingly, require lifelong good habits.

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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Buddy the only thing im addicted to is sweet, sweet riffs.

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Buddy the only thing im addicted to is sweet, sweet riffs.

Sure thing, Mr Cisneros!

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Preggo My Eggo! posted:

So... I might be trying out for my first ever band at 41 years old. I'm going to learn a couple of the band's songs from guitar tabs they're sending, record my playing, and send it to them. I'm so nervous and it feels great.

it is just as much an opportunity for you to decide that the band is not worth joining, too.

Preggo My Eggo!
Jun 17, 2010
Yeah it makes sense that finding a good fit is more important than ability. So far the one guy I've talked to seems pretty chill but also very serious about the music, which is good. They have an EP coming out and just lost their bass player, so all the songs are written and they mostly need somebody to go play shows.

Should I expect to play shows that start at like 11 and don't get home until 2am? That was the scene when I was younger, not sure if it would be different now. This is in Tucson, not a huge city.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

the way it works in my city is the later you play the more important you are on the bill.

generally if the band books the venue, its 'their' show and they headline. depending on the venue, they also might be responsible for booking support bands, running the merch/ticketing and paying the bands after tthe venue pays them etc.

one of my bands chooses to play support slots almost exclusively since it means that we arent playing at midnight and all our friends/fans that need to get baby sitters can be home in time. its essentially the difference between being a guest at a wedding and being in the bridal party. you get to have more of the fun of playing shows without any of the responsibility.

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007
I saw Andrew Bird play tonight and the bassist, Alan Hampton, was playing a Harmony H-22. Even when flat-picking, the sound was indistinguishable from an upright/double bass. He was also chording and arpeggiating without creating a muddy mess of sound.

Looking online, the H-22 appears to out of production and difficult to find for sale. For anyone more knowledgeable than me, what would make that bass sound so much different than, say, a Fender Jazz bass? Any recommendations for something similar in the sub-$2000 range?

Laserface posted:

one of my bands chooses to play support slots almost exclusively since it means that we arent playing at midnight and all our friends/fans that need to get baby sitters can be home in time. its essentially the difference between being a guest at a wedding and being in the bridal party. you get to have more of the fun of playing shows without any of the responsibility.

As a near-40 year old, this is the major difference between playing live in my 20's and doing it now. It was a lot easier to get friends out on a Tuesday night when they were going to be out anyway. It's way different when people are paying a babysitter by the hour and need to get up early for work the next day.

I play in two bands at the moment. In one, I am the oldest by 10 years and in the other I am the youngest by the same amount. The latest I have started a set with the second band is 9:30pm. The latest I have started with the first was 12:00am (on a Tuesday night/Wednesday morning). The first still draws more people per show than the second.

BrianRx fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Feb 14, 2024

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

That's pretty funny cos my band that plays mostly support slots is the younger of the two bands, 30 to 38(me). The other band I'm the youngest by 3-5yrs and those guys are still acting in their 20s. Both bands absolutely know how to party, which is fine by me.

Our EP launch gig was an 11pm stage time with a 5pm bump in and as main act we had to supply cabinets for everyone to use so couldn't even forego the soundcheck in exchange for a late arrival.

Add to that Keeping one member out of the rider so he can actually stand up and play in 5 hours time while forcing one to take a nap because she just came off a 16hr ED nurse shift and we have a green room to ourselves for 4hrs.

On the venue/scene side of it, Venues usually only run gigs Thursday thru Sunday here, with a few venues doing open mic nights/jam/karaoke or other band adjacent stuff like poetry on Monday to Thursday. Comedy sticks to comedy clubs most of the time and is more weekdays than weekends.

My fave venue does live band karaoke every second wednesday which is very popular.

Sockington
Jul 26, 2003

muike posted:

aughhh that fender is so tight. also the treble bezel might be fun for your greco: https://www.thetreblebezel.com/

I went and ruined your favourite Fender.










It does that super thick two-tone bass sound so well. Really covers the clank to warm buttery smoothness now.

Modal Auxiliary
Jan 14, 2005

Tasty as gently caress.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

I play soul and old rock and roll.covers with a retired engineer in his late sixties usually starting at 10pm and 11pm on the weekends. I literally told him that I couldn't do those times during the week and I'm more than 20 years younger than him lol.

Honestly wanna be that guy when I'm that old.

E: hanging late on the weekdays definitely is harder as you age tho esp if you have work in the morning

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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BrianRx posted:

Looking online, the H-22 appears to out of production and difficult to find for sale. For anyone more knowledgeable than me, what would make that bass sound so much different than, say, a Fender Jazz bass? Any recommendations for something similar in the sub-$2000 range?

Three things:

1) The pickup is very close to the neck. Pickups close to the neck tend to be bassier and "rounder."

2) The scale length of the bass is 30" as opposed 34". This, too, emphasizes a slightly deeper tone (as opposed to more mid-focused).

3) The pickup itself. Whatever it is, it has a specific resonant peak that emphasizes certain frequencies that you find contribute to this tone.

edit: apparently the H22 pickup has a cult following.

Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Feb 14, 2024

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Probably the biggest factor combined with that pickup: it's a hollowbody. It's getting actual accoustic resonance in that big chamber.

widefault
Mar 16, 2009

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Three things:

1) The pickup is very close to the neck. Pickups close to the neck tend to be bassier and "rounder."

2) The scale length of the bass is 30" as opposed 34". This, too, emphasizes a slightly deeper tone (as opposed to more mid-focused).

3) The pickup itself. Whatever it is, it has a specific resonant peak that emphasizes certain frequencies that you find contribute to this tone.

edit: apparently the H22 pickup has a cult following.

Novak makes an excellent copy

https://www.curtisnovak.com/shop/h22-goldfoil/

You can very likely get the same kind of tone with any of the 60s DeArmond pickups. There really isn't much difference in the type of construction on those, mostly only the case is different.

muike
Mar 16, 2011

ガチムチ セブン

Sockington posted:

I went and ruined your favourite Fender.










It does that super thick two-tone bass sound so well. Really covers the clank to warm buttery smoothness now.

not ruined but i think an ebony pickguard would look so sick there or a black dyed maple one

Jestery
Aug 2, 2016


Not a Dickman, just a shape
Look at him go!
https://youtu.be/052CAGUxQjQ?si=rS2XT4TTxbDBBUvN

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

Three things:

1) The pickup is very close to the neck. Pickups close to the neck tend to be bassier and "rounder."

2) The scale length of the bass is 30" as opposed 34". This, too, emphasizes a slightly deeper tone (as opposed to more mid-focused).

3) The pickup itself. Whatever it is, it has a specific resonant peak that emphasizes certain frequencies that you find contribute to this tone.

edit: apparently the H22 pickup has a cult following.

Bottom Liner posted:

Probably the biggest factor combined with that pickup: it's a hollowbody. It's getting actual accoustic resonance in that big chamber.

Thanks a lot for this. I found an H-22 in pretty good condition for $900, which is "reasonable" as far as music-related purchases go, but I slept on it and it got snagged. I fell in love with my Warwick Corvette years before I was able to afford one and have been playing it for 20 years, so maybe I'll get an H-22 when I'm 50 and take it with me in my casket.

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Sockington
Jul 26, 2003
I went about putting in a stacked pot for the Darkglass tone capsule. Every step was a jerk. The pots were too tall for the Fender stacked knobs.


The knobs were also too small on the ID and had to enlarge that too, but done.

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