gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1754258270020125037?t=-GuIk0xKkpXprnxTX_E9rQ&s=19

quote:

British Columbia Post-Secondary Education Minister Selina Robinson is stepping down amid an outcry over her remarks that modern Israel was founded on "a crappy piece of land."

Premier David Eby says Robinson's "belittling" remarks were incompatible with her remaining in cabinet, although she will stay in the NDP caucus. He said Robinson's focus will now be on addressing "the depth of the hurt that she has caused" by her remarks.

quote:

More than a dozen British Columbia mosques and Islamic associations had sent a letter to Eby calling for Robinson to be removed from her role.

They said no NDP MLA or candidate for the next provincial election is welcome in their sacred spaces until the premier takes action.

Tom Guycot posted:

"The only nation on earth where jews can be safe"
-Joe "genocide" Brandon

xerxus posted:

Update on this
https://twitter.com/seanorr/status/1753152000840388964


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/david-eby-news-conference-selina-robinson-1.7105360

As late as this morning, Robinson was resisting resignation. She was just going to take an Islamophobia sensitivity course.

The change might have to do with the fact there will be a Provincial Election this year.

Cabbages and Kings posted:

I've been painting Palestinian flags on my nails lately because it feels like a small piece of solidarity. I've gotten a few weird looks and one compliment that seemed politically clueless.

Yesterday I was cashing out at the ski store and the older hippy lady running it said (of my destroyed not still very recognizable flags) "that's really cool but it looks like you better go home and redo those!"

If this is too burger I'll eat my six. If it's not, I'll post pictures when I re do them

With Friends Like These posted:

An article recently published in these pages under the auspices of Canada’s Center for Israel and Jewish Affairs (CIJA), coupled with a statement issued by CIJA recently, provide further evidence of the organization’s misguided approach to Israel advocacy.

The Center for Israel and Jewish Affairs, formerly The Canadian Council for Israel and Jewish Advocacy, is the by-product of a major revamping in mid-2011 of Canada’s Israel advocacy community, which saw a diverse spectrum of pro-Israel organizations consolidated into one body.

According to its previous website, CIJA’s primary function prior to the overhaul was to “coordinate the advocacy work of established Jewish organizations – among them: Canada- Israel Committee (CIC), dedicated to strengthening and supporting all aspects of the Canada-Israel relationship; Quebec-Israel Committee (QIC), dedicated to communicating issues of Jewish concern to all parts of Quebec society; Canadian Jewish Congress (CJC), working to promote civil discourse and address incidents of anti-Semitism and all issues affecting the quality of Jewish life in Canada.”

The word “coordinated” is somewhat misleading, however, as historically the CIC, QIC and CJC operated independently in accordance with their respective, long-established directives. The Canadian Jewish Congress, for example, pursued its own agenda since its founding in 1919.

However, this status quo was shattered last year when these organizations were abolished to make way for the Center for Israel and Jewish Affairs. As a result, CIJA is now uniquely positioned to set its own, uncontested policies vis-à-vis Canadian Israel advocacy.

This massive centralization was done unilaterally and in virtual secrecy, and stimulated a public outcry from a multitude of stakeholders in the Israel-advocacy community.
One needs only to consider CIJA’s conceptualization of its work to understand the backlash.

CIJA’s mission statement was drafted by its leadership upon its inception in 2004. The resulting internal document, colorfully coined the “The 10 Commandments,” summarizes CIJA’s ideology and modus operandi.

Below are four of CIJA’s “commandments:” #5: Do not directly attack or assign blame to the Palestinians or their leadership; #6: Do not ask Canadians to pick a side in the [Israeli-Palestinian] conflict; #7: Do not ask the government of Canada to appear – or be – more favorable to Israel; #9: Do not attack the media for being biased against Israel.
As a result, CIJA, which commands a budget of approximately $11 million per annum and which now constitutes the Canadian Jewish community’s lone “official” body tasked with defending Israel, operates under an ambiguous mandate whose fundamentals contradict the very essence of pro-Israel advocacy.

Which brings us to the statement CIJA issued recently.

On September 2, CIJA’s national leadership met with King Abdullah in Jordan. In its account to the Canadian public, CIJA conveyed two main messages: Jordan needs money to provide for Syrian refugees, and Israel must make peace with the Palestinians in order to enhance its ability to deal with the Iranian nuclear threat.

With respect to the latter, according to CIJA, “King Abdullah expressed the belief that achieving peace on the Israel-Palestinian front will make immeasurably easier the task of confronting other – even existential – challenges facing the region, including the ability to garner support from other Arab nations in relation to the Iranian nuclear threat.”

It is one thing for the Center to promote the resumption of the peace process, which is the official position of Israel’s government; however, doing so by invoking the Jordanian monarch, whose repression of Palestinians is rampant, is at best ignorant, and at worst deceitful.

Instead, the Center should have questioned Abdullah’s motives, given that his country regularly strips Palestinians of their Jordanian citizenship and that his legislature recently passed a law limiting Palestinian parliamentary representation to eight percent, despite Palestinians comprising as much as 60% of the population.

Coupled with Abdullah’s purported concern for Syrian refugees, the Center also should have inquired as to why Jordan refuses to allow any Palestinian refugees from Syria enter the country.

In this regard, it is inappropriate to begin with for a pro-Israel advocacy group unconditionally to abide by Jordan’s request for financial aid while Abdullah persists in his policy of restricted diplomatic relations with Israel. The correct course of action would have been to convey the Center’s readiness to solicit funds on Jordan’s behalf, on condition that Abdullah immediately name and dispatch a Jordanian Ambassador to Israel, a position that has remained vacant for more than two years.

Lastly, it is completely unsuitable for a pro- Israel body to propagate the canard that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the Middle East’s central dispute and that solving it will somehow cure the region’s ills. To do so in the context of the Iranian nuclear threat is inexcusable.

Does the Center really believe that the “Arab Spring,” or resulting “Islamic Winter,” had anything to do with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; or that Syrian President Bashar Assad is murdering his people in droves because of Israel’s alleged “occupation” of the West Bank; or that Iran would forgo its nuclear ambitions if only the Palestinians could be persuaded to make peace with Israel? Moreover, Israel already has the tacit approval of the region’s Sunni governments to strike Shi’ite Iran’s nuclear facilities – and this has nothing to do with “Palestine” and everything to do with the region’s primary conflict, the Sunni-Shi’ite divide.

By ignoring Abdullah’s hypocrisy; by assuming his positions uncritically; and by not raising important issues, CIJA’s mission to Jordan effectively served Abdullah’s interests above and beyond Israeli and Jewish interests.

And herein lies the essential problem: Irrespective of intent, CIJA often fails in its chief duty to serve Israeli and Jewish interests.

This past June, CIJA sent a delegation to Ramallah to meet with Palestinian Authority chairman Mahmoud Abbas and other top-ranking Palestinian officials; this despite the PA’s refusal for the past three years to negotiate with Israel’s elected leadership, and at a time when the PA was threatening to renew its unilateral bid to achieve statehood recognition at the UN.

According to CIJA CEO Shimon Fogel, “the rationale for us to meet with [the] Palestinian leadership... was to update ourselves on the positions and concerns of the Palestinians as they relate to Israel, and the potential for a return to direct negotiations.”

Yet less than a month before CIJA’s meeting in Ramallah, Abbas sent a widely publicized letter to Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu reiterating his conditions for returning to peace talks; namely, that Israel recognize the 1967 borders as the basis for negotiations, halt all settlement construction and release Palestinian prisoners. Israel, by contrast, as well as the Middle East Quartet, has repeatedly called for a resumption of negotiations without preconditions.

Apparently, though, CIJA did not get the memo. Instead, its visit served to legitimate Abbas’ intransigent demands.

Another example of CIJA’s objectionable judgment is an article published in July in The Jerusalem Post by Richard Marceau, a senior adviser to CIJA. Entitled “Israel: An inspiration for smaller nations,” Marceau’s main point was that French-speaking residents of the Canadian province of Quebec, who on whole are markedly anti-Israel, should no longer view the Jewish state negatively, but rather use the country’s success at nationbuilding as a template for their own efforts to promote sovereignty for Quebec. In Marceau’s words, “for a Quebec nationalist, Zionism and its creation of the State of Israel are awe-inspiring.”

At first glance, the article seems well-intentioned – to bridge the Quebec-Israel/Jewish divide. But upon closer inspection, it is apparent that the article is subversive, as it undermines a core domestic interest of Canadian Jewry.

The vast majority of Canadian Jews opposes Quebec’s secession from Canada. In fact, in the last referendum held in Quebec in 1995, more than 97 percent of the Jewish population of Montreal, where nearly all of the province’s Jews reside, voted “No” to Quebec’s separation from Canada. This led former Quebec premier and Parti Quebecois leader Jacques Parizeau famously to attribute the referendum’s loss to the “ethnic vote,” widely interpreted at the time as a reference to the province’s Jews.

That CIJA would employ as senior counsel an avowed separatist – in defiance of the interests of Canadian Jewry, in general, and Canada’s second largest Jewish community, in particular – is destructive. That CIJA allowed Marceau’s article to appear under its auspices only six weeks before Quebec’s September 4 election – which again brought the nationalist Parti Quebecois to power – is unconscionable.

These three examples – Jordan, Ramallah and Quebec – which only cover the past 10 weeks, are representative of why many Canadian Jews opposed last year’s overhaul of the Israel advocacy community, and why they remain skeptical of CIJA’s ability to effectively promote pro-Israel and pro-Jewish positions.

Accordingly, it is unacceptable that CIJA continue to be given carte blanche to set, unilaterally, Canada’s Israel advocacy policy. In this respect, it is imperative that checks and balances be introduced, in particular as regards CIJA’s funding, to ensure CIJA’s accountability to the full spectrum of Canada’s diverse and staunchly pro-Israel Jewish community.

The writer recently made aliya from Canada.

BULBASAUR posted:

please, if America sends a sub to cut undersea cables its just gonna be another oceangate

Frosted Flake posted:

They play so loving fast and loose with definitions, considering that stretches "denial" to the breaking point, and also is unclear about who Oct 7 was directed at, "the Jewish people (or) the State of Israel".

e: Explanatory notes for the bill:

"on the seventh day of October 2023, Hamas terrorists and their aides carried out a massacre of Israeli residents living near the border with the Gaza Strip. Hundreds of civilians, men and women, girls and children were kidnapped. During Hamas terrorists’ storming of towns near the border, they slaughtered, murdered, dismembered, raped and looted the residents of Israel just because they were Israelis and just because they were Jews."

"This is the deadliest and most brutal terrorist attack carried out, during which over 1,000 men and women were murdered, including the elderly and babies, over 240 people were kidnapped and many hundreds more were injured. The denial of the massacre is an attempt to rewrite history already at this stage, in an attempt to hide, minimize and facilitate the crimes that were committed against the Jewish people and the State of Israel."

"The denial of the massacre and expressions of support for the acts of the terrorists require special, serious and immediate attention on behalf of the state," the proposal reads.

But, the Israeli government has been caught lying about this more times than I can count, so idk what the point of this exercise is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA9RLwInqn4

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I guarantee you the language in this is going to be a pilot for bills in North America and Europe.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

The ruling class couldn't give a gently caress what we peasants think about Israel, but I'm genuinely not sure what they gain from torching whatever credibility they (or the International Rules Based Order) has for a Nazi state like Israel.

DaysBefore posted:

They get 'campaign donations' and access to New Little St James op

People's Dispatch posted:

...
However, a deeper look at the details of the proposal paints a much less optimistic picture. As contradictory news reports emerge of the proposal and its future, it is crucial to understand what is on the table and what implications it has for the people of Palestine.

The proposal
The Paris proposal is not a ceasefire agreement, but a humanitarian pause broken into three phases.

The first phase would see a 45-day pause in all hostilities along with the release of all Israeli hostages in Gaza who are under the age of 19 or wounded, in exchange for an agreed-upon number of Palestinian prisoners.

The number of days of the pause in the second phase has not been determined, but it envisages the release of Israeli military personnel, in exchange for an agreed-upon number of Palestinian prisoners, and an increase in the amount of aid flowing into Gaza. According to a report in Al Akbar, there has also been talk of the second phase including the withdrawal of Israeli forces from dense residential areas, the creation of a no-fly zone in Gaza, and a guarantee for the return of displaced Palestinians in Rafah to Northern Gaza and Gaza city.

The focus of the third phase is to be on the exchange of bodies of the dead for the release of more Palestinian prisoners. This phase would also include a provision to begin dialogue to potentially reach a permanent ceasefire.

Apprehensions
The Paris proposal has been met with apprehension from people across Palestine and supporters of the Palestinian cause. Mahmoud*, a Palestinian left leader told me, “First and foremost, we have to name (sic) that the Paris proposal is an Israeli proposal in contradiction with the demands of the resistance.”

The demands which have been outlined by Hamas spokespersons over the past four months and ratified by the other Palestinian resistance factions, have been completely disregarded in this proposal. The most essential of these are a permanent end to the Israeli aggression in Gaza, the full withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza, the lifting of the 18-year siege on Gaza, and for the unlimited entry of aid, including for the enclave’s rebuilding. Following the fulfillment of these demands, they call for a negotiation for the “all for all” prisoners swap.

For Mahmoud, not only are these demands not addressed in the proposal or left undefined, as is the case with the entry of aid and the number of Palestinian prisoners to be released in each phase, but some of the terms would actually see Israel “trying to achieve politically and diplomatically, what they couldn’t achieve militarily.”

For instance, while the agreement would possibly provide for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from major roads and urban areas, they would remain in other areas. “This means that they’re going to maintain control over positions inside the Gaza Strip that they plan to turn into a buffer zone,” Mahmoud explained.

He emphasized, “This proposal would be a huge loss for the Palestinian people. Four months of fighting, the killing of more than 30,000 people, and the destruction of tens of thousands of homes and infrastructure to just reach a temporary ceasefire without freeing the prisoners, or changing or improving the conditions that Palestinians lived under prior to October 7 — I don’t think that such an agreement would be accepted by the majority of the Palestinian parties or people, and it will be met with resistance.”

Third World Reagan posted:

also we tried this



which the seawolf might have

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

The ruling class couldn't give a gently caress what we peasants think about Israel, but I'm genuinely not sure what they gain from torching whatever credibility they (or the International Rules Based Order) has for a Nazi state like Israel.

Al! posted:

germany will be the first, then scandanavia and england. canada next. us will pass a similar law despite it being wildly unpopular and the supreme court will affirm it. wont matter in the us anyway since support for israel is considered a condition of employment throughout the country.

im not surprised but im a little impressed the level the global ruling class is in the tank for israel despite how unpopular israel is with the general populace. can barely maintain support above 50% in the imperial core for god sake yet here we are

stephenthinkpad posted:

It's an induction ritual, all political new comers have to get blood on their hands like all the 90 year olds in the club. That's the only way you can be sure those Palestine and Muslim congressmen won't turn on you when Israel lose.

It's the same reason all the Japanese elected prime ministers have to go to that war crime shrine and pay their homage.

mila kunis posted:

i cannot find it, it was somewhere on marxists.org but there was a real tussle about the class character of zionist society in palestine prior to the holocaust. there were some people that saw it as a jewish society from top to the bottom, including a jewish proletariat, and others who wanted the jews to be the top of society and having cheap arab labour serving as a serf class on the bottom. the latter saw the development of a jewish proletariat as a fundamental threat because in a jewish state, they would have a voice in society and turn it to the left, whereas arab helots would have no voice.

kibbutzim and co op labour could not profitably complete against maltreated arab labour (more profitable), the latter won out, and that's why the israeli left is dead.

stephenthinkpad posted:

It's the same reason all the Japanese elected prime ministers have to go to that war crime shrine and pay their homage.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Yeah if those are the terms then I'm a denialist. I deny the rapes and mutilations happened. So what? Show me the evidence. Name a single victim. You tried naming victims before and their own families denied that they were raped on October 7th.

I guarantee you the language in this is going to be a pilot for bills in North America and Europe.

hadji murad posted:

the three fluke, non LDP, prime ministers didn't. it's really hard to remember anything about them besides Hatoyama being really loving weird.

also, I don't think the Kishida and Suga went either, but they sent support which is equally odious.

basically most are supportive of their historical crimes

stephenthinkpad posted:

They just occasionally let non LPD guys keep the seat warm for a while to remind people it's not a one-party system.

I wonder why Kishida didn't go, because in every China related topic Kishida chose a pretty antagonizing stand to go about things, probably more so than Abe would have done because he is not a slick bastard like Abe.

Jel Shaker posted:

US pornography actor accused of posting propaganda for Iran

Whitney Wright, who is known for her criticism of Israel, posed at defunct American embassy in Tehran observing Islamic dress code

Keeper Garrett posted:

I remember following military hardware as a youngster and being interested to see how the Seawolf subs and Comanche helicopters turned out. I then completely forgot about the whole scene for 10 years wondered oh, I wonder why I haven't heard much about them.

lol

stephenthinkpad posted:

They just occasionally let non LPD guys keep the seat warm for a while to remind people it's not a one-party system.

I wonder why Kishida didn't go, because in every China related topic Kishida chose a pretty antagonizing stand to go about things, probably more so than Abe would have done because he is not a slick bastard like Abe.

atelier morgan posted:

got in a gunfight with some latin american country's coast guard delivering cocaine or something probably

quote:

Lazzarini said he took the allegations seriously. But he added that he could not comment on the progress of an investigation by the UN’s Office of Internal Oversight Services, a body independent of his agency.

He said Israel had not presented evidence of its allegations to UNRWA, adding that the UN agency had been forced to respond to leaks in the media of an Israeli intelligence assessment that at least 12 of its Palestinian employees had taken part in the Hamas raid. These included one accused of kidnapping a woman and another said to have seized the body of a slain soldier.

The intelligence assessment, which has been seen by the FT, provides no evidence for the claims, which it says are based on smartphone intercepts and captured identity cards. But the US has said it found them “highly, highly credible”.

[...]

Lazzarini said the agency, which employs 13,000 Palestinians in Gaza, sends an annual list of employees to the Israeli government and has never received any official complaints during his four-year tenure.

Officer Sandvich posted:

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

borschtposting