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Zopotantor posted:Totally real. Bumfit.
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# ? Jan 31, 2024 22:15 |
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# ? Jun 5, 2024 06:13 |
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Zopotantor posted:Totally real. and that's numberwang!
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# ? Jan 31, 2024 22:15 |
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Since I learned about the alternative way to count on your fingers, 12 per hand, 60 across both it's just become a thing I do. I can totally see it catching on once someone figured it out over the standard 1 to 10.
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# ? Feb 1, 2024 23:50 |
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Tunicate posted:Except for the guys who would beat the poo poo out of you if you were cheating with your weights Standardisation of weights and measures is a Big Deal, after all. Wouldn't be surprised if a specific counting/measuring system became dominant because that's what the ruling authority chose for those weights.
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# ? Feb 2, 2024 11:30 |
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The scroll reading tech works: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1754519304471814555 Should be able to do all of them finally. Lives of Famous Whores will soon be ours.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 20:52 |
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My brother Ptolemy, Rehikles of Syracuse hails you! Let me begin by recalling the last scroll I sent, where I said that your honored mother is so fat that
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:06 |
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Grand Fromage posted:The scroll reading tech works: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1754519304471814555 Alas, Suetonius wrote after Vesuvius erupted so we may only get his sources. I'm hoping there's an unredacted edition of Trogus in there somewhere, though.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:06 |
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Ptolemy's biography of Alexander. Seriously. He was right there, start to finish. I don't think rediscovering it would have any great impact on our understanding of history but it'd be fascinating.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:20 |
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Grand Fromage posted:The scroll reading tech works: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1754519304471814555 Fully sick. This is gonna make a number of people’s careers FishFood posted:Alas, Suetonius wrote after Vesuvius erupted so we may only get his sources. I'm hoping there's an unredacted edition of Trogus in there somewhere, though. Yeah sadly no Suetonius or Tacitus, but there could be all sorts of stuff in there. My fingers are crossed for Sallust’s History of the late republic. Or complete(r) Livy.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:21 |
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Apparently, every bit of text recovered so far (both this text, and the scrolls that were physically unraveled decades ago) were Epicurean philosophy. So we can expect a lot of that, probably.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:31 |
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Grand Fromage posted:The scroll reading tech works: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1754519304471814555 looks all Greek to me. Seriously though, this is fantastic.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:41 |
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Grand Fromage posted:The scroll reading tech works: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1754519304471814555 This is super cool, and everyone should click through to the actual page (ideally bypassing Twitter in the process ): https://scrollprize.org/grandprize Very slick explanation of the contest, the winners, and how you do it technically.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:48 |
i wonder how much existing papyrii this kind of tech might apply to -- presumably most of the stuff that's preserved out there that isn't from Herculaneum probably didn't get turned into Basically Charcoal, but the letter detection/ink detection/machine learning to do those things might be applicable to other remaining preserved documents (or maybe at getting previously-written text from stuff that's erased and re-used)
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:48 |
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Much of Pompeii has not been excavated yet so there is always hope I would like the lost history of the Etruscans to be found
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 21:55 |
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PittTheElder posted:This is super cool, and everyone should click through to the actual page (ideally bypassing Twitter in the process ): https://scrollprize.org/grandprize Also mentions here that there are lower, unexcavated levels of the villa perhaps containing yet more scrolls in addition to the 800 we already have. vvv lol skasion fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Feb 5, 2024 |
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cheetah7071 posted:Apparently, every bit of text recovered so far (both this text, and the scrolls that were physically unraveled decades ago) were Epicurean philosophy. So we can expect a lot of that, probably. It's a 2000 year old burn, we spent millions of dollars reading the scrolls and the first thing out is "Rarer stuff isn't better just because it's harder to find."
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 22:00 |
skasion posted:Also mentions here that there are lower, unexcavated levels of the villa perhaps containing yet more scrolls in addition to the 800 we already have. yeah i guess given how rare any preserved scroll of any kind is, just the existing ones from that villa and the ones that haven't been excavated could be more than enough for a few generations of scholars
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 22:12 |
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skasion posted:Also mentions here that there are lower, unexcavated levels of the villa perhaps containing yet more scrolls in addition to the 800 we already have. Also, this is a Greek library. It was common to have a separate Latin library as well, which has never been found. Hopefully because it just hasn't been found and not because it doesn't exist.
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# ? Feb 5, 2024 22:50 |
My late-in-life-History-PhD is looking pretty good for stuff to work on.
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# ? Feb 6, 2024 03:26 |
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regrettably, this is becoming noblemen eccentric hobby poo poo again, tho, so better be landed gentry
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# ? Feb 6, 2024 03:32 |
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Tunicate posted:It's a 2000 year old burn, we spent millions of dollars reading the scrolls and the first thing out is "Rarer stuff isn't better just because it's harder to find." That reminds me of this story from a little while back where an ancient Romanian inscription on a sphinx was decrypted, and what it basically said was, "This is a sphinx."
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# ? Feb 6, 2024 14:01 |
cheetah7071 posted:Apparently, every bit of text recovered so far (both this text, and the scrolls that were physically unraveled decades ago) were Epicurean philosophy. So we can expect a lot of that, probably. Presumably, they had some kind of filing system keeping like with like. If we can read all the scrolls, then there probably more topics to explore.
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# ? Feb 6, 2024 14:10 |
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Remember the discussion about localized names for people and places this thread had, what, a month or two ago? This video from a pretty good Youtube channel about history and mythology discusses how Italian cities came to get their English names, and how the "simple" solution of switching to the Italian names comes with plenty of issues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeWgkKUCXkA
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# ? Feb 9, 2024 09:27 |
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Grand Fromage posted:The scroll reading tech works: https://twitter.com/natfriedman/status/1754519304471814555 Cool beans. I'm sure as poo poo attending the unveiling at the Getty Villa next month.
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# ? Feb 9, 2024 13:25 |
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I've been reading Weavers, Scribes and Kings, and it is so good. Thanks to whomever recommended it! The idea of creating vignettes of people's lives out of a combination of primary sources and educated guesswork is pretty genius.
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# ? Feb 9, 2024 17:28 |
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Apropos of nothing, is there an archaeology/pre-history thread? tia
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# ? Feb 17, 2024 18:09 |
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Nenonen posted:Apropos of nothing, is there an archaeology/pre-history thread? tia There was but none of it was written down.
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# ? Feb 17, 2024 18:18 |
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Nenonen posted:Apropos of nothing, is there an archaeology/pre-history thread? tia It's generally this one, but if you wanted to make one I'd post in it.
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# ? Feb 17, 2024 18:18 |
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Tunicate posted:There was but none of it was written down. Telsa Cola posted:It's generally this one, but if you wanted to make one I'd post in it. What do I look, like a thread starter? In any case I was just reading about Blinkerwall quote:A stone age wall discovered beneath the waves off Germany’s Baltic coast may be the oldest known megastructure built by humans in Europe, researchers say. It's surprising that the wall is still so "easy" to see after more than ten thousand years. A second parallel wall may be buried in sediments, so it's just good luck that this part was discovered by accident. It makes you wonder what kinds of pre-historic structures are hidden under the bottom of sea. Underwater archeology would have so much to give to our understanding of history if it just wasn't so difficult and expensive.
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# ? Feb 17, 2024 18:39 |
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Nenonen posted:
I phone app post so I cant make threads. Rock alignments tend to preserve hella well, especially if you don't have a ton of deposition. I'd say its about 60 percent of what I see in the field.
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# ? Feb 17, 2024 18:52 |
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The more I learn about the Shang dynasty the less I like them.
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 01:08 |
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Arglebargle III posted:The more I learn about the Shang dynasty the less I like them. drat Shang
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 01:19 |
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second most organized human sacrifice regime, after the aztecs although it's extremely indicative of like, modern rich country culture that you usually get more heat from peeps telling them about their puppy sacrifice (by immurement) than from telling em about their human sacrifice
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 07:57 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:second most organized human sacrifice regime, after the aztecs This is such an interesting form of self-flagellation and I wonder if somebody's studied it in particular. It's not really that unusual for a society to elevate certain things above human life, it seems to me like a fairly straightforward result of social stratification, but there's a specific type of Westerner who thinks that arises specifically from 20th/21st century European culture despite being observed in...I don't want to say most cultures because I don't have a broad enough knowledge base, but I am not familiar with any culture that doesn't have some animals that it holds up as especially valuable. In the case of China there's actually a very interesting one, from Analects X.11, 廄焚。子退朝,曰:傷人乎?不問馬。 Legge translates this as " When the stables were burnt down, on returning from court Confucius said, "Was anyone hurt?" He did not ask about the horses." The purpose of recording this is to highlight that Confucius valued human lives over those of horses (even if the people were poor and the horses were valuable) in contrast to the prevailing norms of his time. So not only does Spring & Autumn China have people who valued the lives of certain animals over the lives of humans, it also has people who were criticizing it in the same way we see today. (and small aside, having done quite a lot of work with dogs: people REALLY overestimate how well they treat their dogs. Most of the dogs I encountered when I worked as a groomer's assistant showed obvious visible signs of abuse, and their owners very clearly thought they were treating their dogs very well)
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 12:19 |
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Stop saying peeps it makes you sound like a freak.
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 12:59 |
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Tulip posted:This is such an interesting form of self-flagellation and I wonder if somebody's studied it in particular. It's not really that unusual for a society to elevate certain things above human life, it seems to me like a fairly straightforward result of social stratification, but there's a specific type of Westerner who thinks that arises specifically from 20th/21st century European culture despite being observed in...I don't want to say most cultures because I don't have a broad enough knowledge base, but I am not familiar with any culture that doesn't have some animals that it holds up as especially valuable. the shang were finished by 1000 bc, confucius was born 551 bc...
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 16:33 |
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I think he's referring to the statecraft tradition that pretty clearly equates peasants with livestock, that was prominent in the pre-Imperial period.
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 16:40 |
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the zhou made the mandate of heaven and all the moral-ethical stuff that confucius drew on as challenge to the shang ideology in the first place, it's like talking about the christian bonafides of lucius tarquinius
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# ? Feb 18, 2024 16:52 |
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bob dobbs is dead posted:the shang were finished by 1000 bc, confucius was born 551 bc... I think you've misread Tulip; they're criticizing you, not the Shang, with the passage from the Analects. They're arguing that the tendency you described as "novel rich country culture" to put animals above humans was common throughout history.
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nrook posted:I think you've misread Tulip; they're criticizing you, not the Shang, with the passage from the Analects. They're arguing that the tendency you described as "novel rich country culture" to put animals above humans was common throughout history. I didn't say it was novel, I said it was indicative. We're certainly not the first to devalue human life, if that's the claim, it's just depressing that we do (again)
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