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well-read undead posted:good advice, but reaching out to cow orkers is only really useful if you're looking to get into cow orking yourself we talkin cow orcas?
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had an actually terrible interview experience with a team at the fruit company. they made me write a linked list deletion routine and i spent like 10 minutes convincing them that what i wrote was correct. i didnt even do anything weird, i genuinely had to walk them through how deletion works when THEY asked me the question i spent time afterwards reviewing what i wrote to make sure i wasnt being gaslit. im genuinely baffled by this experience. this is a blessing though because id be banished to california again if i got the job
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Feb 7, 2024 07:11
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the only time I was interviewed by an ex-googler was also one of the worst interviews I ever had now granted he was significantly more junior than me and I was interviewing to be his senior cow orker, but he was massively insecure in a similar way, even going against the interview guidelines YMMV but big tech people aren't always perfect, especially junior ones
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Feb 7, 2024 07:19
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how do you know if your coworkers used to work at google? dont worry, they'll tell you within 30 seconds of the start of any technical discussion.
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Feb 7, 2024 07:21
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so loving tired of "well at google we..." gently caress OOOOOFFFFF
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Feb 7, 2024 07:21
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everyone who interviewed me was pretty senior and all had spent 5+ years on that team. and i get you would not have written linked list poo poo by hand in C for a long time at that point. but dont ask the question and take random potshots at me if you cant recognize a solution idk
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Feb 7, 2024 07:22
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Idk about y'all but I actually try to make a point of not irking my cows. They kick mean.
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hillel wayne, who i have a weirdass correspondence with occasionally, has a dealio about linked list questions and how they're the signs of a tendency towards perseveration https://www.hillelwayne.com/post/linked-lists/ most testing of any kind is mega-conservative and ultra-perseverating despite the fact that counterplays to them pop up almost immediately in most cases
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lord fifth posted:everyone who interviewed me was pretty senior and all had spent 5+ years on that team. and i get you would not have written linked list poo poo by hand in C for a long time at that point. but dont ask the question and take random potshots at me if you cant recognize a solution idk I wonder if they were testing how you’d respond to review or criticism of your code
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Feb 7, 2024 08:55
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could be a standard nerd hazing
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Feb 7, 2024 08:58
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Armitag3 posted:I wonder if they were testing how you’d respond to review or criticism of your code that was my first guess
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Feb 7, 2024 13:38
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Armitag3 posted:I wonder if they were testing how you’d respond to review or criticism of your code both this and "trained on the question as though it were an exam, are looking for a canonical 'right answer', cannot adapt to an alternative solution that is also correct" seem equally plausible to me
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Feb 7, 2024 13:50
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Armitag3 posted:I wonder if they were testing how you’d respond to review or criticism of your code maybe but if so i dont want to work with a team that thinks gaslighting an intern into believing they dont know how to do baby's first C structure is an effective interview tactic raminasi posted:both this and "trained on the question as though it were an exam, are looking for a canonical 'right answer', cannot adapt to an alternative solution that is also correct" seem equally plausible to me this feels more like what actually happened. eventually the manager in the conference room had to go "nah hes right can we move on now." also the interview ended with that manager getting up and leaving the conference room without notice and before ending the call, which confused me i already have a position so i was mostly interviewing just to see but def my weirdest experience so far. they definitely werent following any kind of interview manual which surprises me for such a large company
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Feb 7, 2024 15:45
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Armitag3 posted:I wonder if they were testing how you’d respond to review or criticism of your code we do this as part of our interviewing but: 1) we let the candidates know beforehand that it will be part of the interview 2) we tell them afterwards AGAIN that we were being dicks on purpose to see how they'd handle it 3) it's actually part of the job because sometimes you have to deal with rear end in a top hat customers who aren't very smart but are VERY opinionated and rude
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Feb 7, 2024 15:54
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lord filth they were probably also seeing if you would acknowledge that there are several ways of doing things, sometimes creating several "right answers" but also since all of the people interviewing you would be senior to you too, possibly seeing if you would simply defer to them or double down and defend yourself. like, apple is also big on having people admit they don't know how to do something and asking for help, which includes deference to senior employees but unless you think the other parts of the interview (i.e. if you ever got past arguing about linked lists) went badly too i wouldn't let it throw you too much
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Feb 7, 2024 19:50
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lord fifth posted:they definitely werent following any kind of interview manual which surprises me for such a large company apple doesn't really do this, but there are standard questions they ask everyone (although i interviewed with apple almost 20 years ago, it's certainly a much bigger, probably very different company now) anyway usually i'd say it's a bad sign that the manager left, but they may have just had to leave to put out a trash fire or something, so i wouldn't read too much into that either (again unless the other parts of the interview were similarly contentious/went poorly)
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Feb 7, 2024 19:57
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90% of linked list questions could probably be answered with "there's several more efficient ways to do this than a linked list"
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Feb 7, 2024 20:04
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either way, i find it perfectly believable that the interviewers did a bad job there, *but* do remember that interviewing simply is kind of bullshit, and you really need to avoid getting defensive or agitated. because even myself i will admit that even if the interviewee is entirely correct in the end i would not be able to ignore if it turned into an unconstructive conversation for a chunk in the middle.
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Feb 7, 2024 20:11
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though tbf i got my first job after telling the interviewer to go read up on red-black trees himself, so idk.
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Feb 7, 2024 20:13
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its sales. getting angry over lost orders is a magic formula to failing as a salespeep
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Feb 7, 2024 20:14
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bob dobbs is dead posted:hillel wayne, who i have a weirdass correspondence with occasionally, has a dealio about linked list questions and how they're the signs of a tendency towards perseveration good article, not least because it confirms my pre-existing suspicions
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Feb 7, 2024 20:20
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lord fifth posted:maybe but if so i dont want to work with a team that thinks gaslighting an intern into believing they dont know how to do baby's first C structure is an effective interview tactic "now let's see how you respond to working with rear end in a top hat coworkers" provides quite a bit of interview signal, just not in the direction that's usually intended!
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Feb 7, 2024 20:24
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i probably did gently caress up the interview in some way even if they were being kind of weird. but they also opened by sharing that they had recently interviewed somebody for the same position who didnt know what a pointer was so maybe i vastly exceeded expectations
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Feb 7, 2024 20:44
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did you take a pointer to the next pointer instead of doing everything relative to a struct or something. thats the real way to scare c++ people
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Feb 7, 2024 20:48
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lol i actually did wrap everything in a struct so i could do head/tail operations easily and also avoid double pointers. so i think the opposite situation happened
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wrap it in a union { uintptr_t u; void* p; } to really gently caress with them
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I've had algo interview where I ended up asking the interviewer what language he primarily uses, and then linking him the official docs explaining that appending to resizable array (your Vec, vector, ArrayList, ...) is amortized constant. I honestly don't know how it went over, because after that poo poo I wasn't interested in working there.
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just tell them you use <insert your favorite/possibly only implementation of linked lists here> because you analyzed the LLVM IR output of a bunch of different ways and this was the most efficient to the compiler i mean, they probably won't check (plus most would probably have identical representation) and it's a way of changing the subject
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Feb 8, 2024 01:51
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intrusive linked lists ftw
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god i hate that "two references to call and chat with" keeps coming up as part of the hiring process now if i was on good terms with my old bosses i would still be working for them now wouldn't i????
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Corla Plankun posted:god i hate that "two references to call and chat with" keeps coming up as part of the hiring process now fellow-employees, never bosses
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Feb 9, 2024 19:36
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i've given positive references for former reports before, but they were people who left of their own accord or were laid off
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Feb 9, 2024 19:42
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Corla Plankun posted:god i hate that "two references to call and chat with" keeps coming up as part of the hiring process now references aren't a new thing though?
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I've always left or laid off too but that doesn't make it better references are corporate and have a legal structure where people can be liable for what they say. startups calling some dude I worked with at a company neither of us work at anymore is completely different and as an autistic person it feels specifically like a test that will weed me out because I do not maintain personal relationships with the people I bump into as a sock being batted around inside the dryer of startup lifecycles and late stage capitalism
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being forgotten by, and not having to worry about, my coworkers anymore is the main advantage of leaving a job; and now I have to actively maintain a rolodex of trustworthy bosses because it is not enough to please hiring managers now, I must also have--verifiably!--behaved in a way that they liked before I ever met them
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Feb 9, 2024 20:03
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Corla Plankun posted:references are corporate and have a legal structure where people can be liable for what they say. pfffffffft. i mean, obviously "references" is bullshit, but no one is getting in actual trouble for that poo poo. because this is *all* mostly bullshit.
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yeah also when you find yourself needing to rent from a landlord then it will want a reference from another landlord these days poo poo sucks
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Feb 9, 2024 20:09
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i will lie to a hiring manager that calls me for a reference. whoever they're asking about is the best. give them the job. idgaf
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Feb 9, 2024 20:18
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bob dobbs is dead posted:fellow-employees, never bosses former bosses are even below ex-wives on the reference list
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Got a tech screen scheduled for Valentine's Day. Internal position a former teammate referred me to. I'm way too anxious about these kinds of things and my whole weekend will be a ball of stress now, but at least it's an excited kind of anxiety. (That said, I have a feeling there's going to be a lot of competition. I saw the job posting basically the moment it went up. At that time, it had the little "less than 10 applicants have applied for this position" flag on it. Within a few hours that flag had disappeared.)
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