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Jonny Shiloh posted:Honestly, I disagree. Have a bit of loving integrity and if something sucks, tell people it sucks. Ordinary gamers don't have access to pre-release builds so basically can only make judgments on a game's potential worth based on a) what the dev's marketing says; and b) what content creators with pre-release access show them. You do understand that in this case as in many others, the Influencer has to sign a contract explicitly promising not to say anything negative about the game before they're allowed to have a prerelease copy? I'm sure many would-be pro Youtubers share your view (and mine) on the subject, and exercised the only other option available to them: to not get to make a video about C:S2 before its release. The lesson here is the same lesson we should all already have learned by now: pre-release Youtube reviews of games are of zero value and preordering a game is always a bad gamble.
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Eric the Mauve posted:You do understand that in this case as in many others, the Influencer has to sign a contract explicitly promising not to say anything negative about the game before they're allowed to have a prerelease copy? I'm sure many would-be pro Youtubers share your view (and mine) on the subject, and exercised the only other option available to them: to not get to make a video about C:S2 before its release. Yep, totally get that - and to be fair, I missed out the third option in my previous post, to wit c) trust a dev whose previous game has given you 1,354.6 hours of fun to deliver a solid and fun second iteration which builds on the first while taking advantage of modern computing capabilities.
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Even if they don't sign a contract promising not to say anything negative, putting out negative pre-release partner videos is a good way to ensure they never get work again. Not that I'm down with hyper-monetized content churn or anything but it's their livelihood so they wouldn't want to shoot themselves in the foot like that.
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Yeah my sense of sadness is not because streamers didn't """whistleblow""" on an underwhelming video game. It's just at the reminder that all these parasocial chill folks I like to watch are actually under literal contract to advertise to me with explicit marching orders about how many videos and for how long.
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Jonny Shiloh posted:Yep, totally get that - and to be fair, I missed out the third option in my previous post, to wit c) trust a dev whose previous game has given you 1,354.6 hours of fun to deliver a solid and fun second iteration which builds on the first while taking advantage of modern computing capabilities. The dev is beholden to the publisher, and you should never, ever trust a publicly traded corporation.
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Eric the Mauve posted:The dev is beholden to the publisher, and you should never, ever trust a publicly traded corporation. CO's decision to release though - Mariina said so, so it must be true, oh wait 
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Jonny Shiloh posted:CO's decision to release though - Mariina said so, so it must be true, oh wait Yeah, that's the same story we keep hearing "it's our decision, not the publishers" and every time it's loving bullshit.
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Jonny Shiloh posted:I mean, to add insult to injury, even Paradox are giving refunds now: The idea of Paradox making a Sims competitor was absolute gold to me when it was announced, and now I am quite certain it's going to be hot garbage. They really screwed up because I've never been too averse to pre-ordering stuff in general and Paradox especially had my trust for several years there, I was a game and DLC whale for them, but after cracking the foundations for quite some time they brought the whole edifice crashing down because they have either caused or permitted this whole shitshow and I no longer have any confidence that their stuff will be fun or even functional.
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I forgot what an incredible pain in the rear end daisy-chaining neighbor deals in SC4 was. I even installed a mod because City C wouldn't see any deals from B, buying power from A. Finally had to get a mod just for that, and even then had to have another city give C power deals for it to show. Water and garbage worked just fine though, with even less surplus available lmao
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Looks like the creator dam is starting to burst https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyPwbOEG0Lc
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mfcrocker posted:Looks like the creator dam is starting to burst CityPlannerPlays also got interviewed by Engadget a while ago around the whole "toxic parts of community" things the CEO said, in what I can only describe as the most diplomatic response I have ever read: https://www.engadget.com/whats-up-with-the-toxicity-around-cities-skylines-ii-213034938.html?guccounter=1 posted:“Since the launch of Cities: Skylines II, things have without a doubt gotten more prickly,” Philip said. “While many people have been appreciative of Colossal Order’s transparency with the weekly updates as well as the frequent bug fixes, many appear to view Colossal Order as being all-too-willing to release a game that wasn’t ready to be released.”
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mfcrocker posted:Looks like the creator dam is starting to burst Yeah, not a Biffa-level creator from a subs standpoint so not as much of a kick in the arse for PDX/CO but FWIW Cities by Diana bailed as well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgnvMBNKS0 gently caress Biffa though, he made his money shilling for a product he knew was broken and ignored everyone saying it was broken.
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Oh I missed this https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/developer-diary/co-word-of-the-week-11.1622876/ Mariina got "a call from Sweden on Tuesday", and lo and behold, the WotW is back! Sure am glad she's not scared of the marketing team at Paradox any more at least.
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wit posted:I do wonder if producers sit back and wait for domestic gaming computers to become common like the ones they work on so they never need to address things running like poo poo properly. Like they can drop a game that doesn't work properly because you cant squeeze it all into the generation you promised, hold your breath and just dump everything into a patch in a year or two and not worry. Everyone in the industry has the memory of a goldfish, and fun forgives all sins. NMS is STILL a trash game from numerous design standpoints that is STILL missing stuff from the original trailers and people in this very thread are saying that's a laudable bar. The new cyberpunk dlc did make the game markedly better, but its STILL fundamentally not a good game and STILL a massive departure from what was promised or should be expected. This is as much the fault of the consumer as it as the dev *shrug
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Jonny Shiloh posted:Oh I missed this Well, it’s back. I really don’t understand how CS2’s release has been this clownshoes. Wonder what self inflicted wound they’re going to create next month.
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Jonny Shiloh posted:Oh I missed this It would be a good idea for you to stop talking about Mariina in this thread in this way.
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Ive read the "i got a call" part like 5 times and it keeps getting funnier. What did they think would happen?
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Maybe I’m missing context but I can’t read that as any way other than “the publisher called and said get back on the horn to your players, what the hell are you doing” and that strikes me as so odd that it’s included. Why not just say you understood the feedback yourself and take the credit for starting the word of the week again? Why make it sound like your boss had to yell at you, lol.
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Anime Store Adventure posted:Maybe I’m missing context but I can’t read that as any way other than “the publisher called and said get back on the horn to your players, what the hell are you doing” and that strikes me as so odd that it’s included. Why not just say you understood the feedback yourself and take the credit for starting the word of the week again? Why make it sound like your boss had to yell at you, lol. That is exactly what it was and it's so funny that she included it, but hey, what would this game be if we didn't have our weekly Monday source of entertainment from the words of the week.
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I think the context you're missing just might be Mariina basically daring Paradox to lean on the CO board to fire her with a nice fat severance. It's sure as hell what I would do in her current position.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I think the context you're missing just might be Mariina basically daring Paradox to lean on the CO board to fire her with a nice fat severance. It's sure as hell what I would do in her current position. I hope she's recording her calls so we get transcripts for the Netflix documentary in 3 years
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Anime Store Adventure posted:Maybe I’m missing context but I can’t read that as any way other than “the publisher called and said get back on the horn to your players, what the hell are you doing” and that strikes me as so odd that it’s included. Why not just say you understood the feedback yourself and take the credit for starting the word of the week again? Why make it sound like your boss had to yell at you, lol. Gotta cast CO as the little guy just reporting the situation. Riot likes to hang onto similar implications a lot, so that if the messenger is shot it's just in the vision of followers of the assistant junior coordinator for itemization's twitter and if they aren't shot "well, we announced it and no one complained", but they've been smart enough to completely shut down the official channels they used to have rather than reopening them to do it in them.
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Does anyone else proofread or edit the posts before they are published? Or does Marina sit on them for at least a day before reading them again and thinking if all this is still a good idea? Or do they just post whatever comes into their mind directly?
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They feel like she got out of the Monday Morning Meetings, summarized everything she heard, and then  Which I mean, Im kind of for it.
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Didn't she want to stop with those, and now Paradox told her to continue so she is but she is also telling everyone that they told her to? Have I got that right? Saying you received a call from Sweden almost sounds like a meme. Not a good one of course. Poil fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Feb 6, 2024 |
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HopperUK posted:It would be a good idea for you to stop talking about Mariina in this thread in this way. Uh oh am I going to get a call from Sweden?
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Move The Mouse joins the club (to be fair, he's been critical of the game in previous vids) https://youtu.be/sNYNpspa8xQ?t=114 At the timestamp above, he talks about the "creators' Discord" and how it was shut down following release - it's an interesting peek behind the curtain I think.
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Ihmemies posted:Does anyone else proofread or edit the posts before they are published? Or does Marina sit on them for at least a day before reading them again and thinking if all this is still a good idea? Or do they just post whatever comes into their mind directly? No one can say for sure, but if CO is like 98% of companies worldwide Mariina doesn't write even the parts with her name on them. CEO emails the head of Marketing what they want it to say (in this case including "and make sure it points out Paradox are making me do this"), Marketing writes it, CEO asks for changes, dance continues until CEO signs off and Marketing posts it.
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Eric the Mauve posted:No one can say for sure, but if CO is like 98% of companies worldwide Mariina doesn't write even the parts with her name on them. CEO emails the head of Marketing what they want it to say (in this case including "and make sure it points out Paradox are making me do this"), Marketing writes it, CEO asks for changes, dance continues until CEO signs off and Marketing posts it. I think you're getting 99% unfiltered Mariina here, I don't think the PR team would sign off on these WotWs as they are if they were in any way involved in the creation of them. I also think the fact she mentions the call from Sweden is just her prickly way of not apologising for the volte-face on restarting the WotWs one week after saying she's not doing them any more.
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You simply have to respect anyone that tries to post through it. A true scholar of the game
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mfcrocker posted:Looks like the creator dam is starting to burst Speaking of, here's another one from yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNYNpspa8xQ Not familiar with them (Move The Mouse) but they make good points.
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City Planner Plays is also reconsidering the amount of CSII videos he puts out. He also explains why the game is basically unplayable without the land value fix mod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIdH28QExQc
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