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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/bworldph/status/1755188405183668618

ouster of a popular non-aligned head-of-state leads directly to neoliberalism

America's still got it

This stuff really makes me feel sick, a real bad feeling in the pit of the stomach. The why of it all. Why do countries keep letting these Devils gently caress them?

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Regarde Aduck posted:

This stuff really makes me feel sick, a real bad feeling in the pit of the stomach. The why of it all. Why do countries keep letting these Devils gently caress them?

compradors. their ruling class was a bunch of reactionary landlords from the start

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

gradenko_2000 posted:

doing 9/11 with a concorde would have been incredible

flying into towers at mach .7 or whatever was top speed at sea level would probably make them fall over lol

tractor fanatic
Sep 9, 2005

Pillbug
The Space Shuttle's design was compromised from the start because the Air Force wanted it to be able to steal a Soviet satellite and then fly back to Vandenberg in a single orbit, necessitating much bigger wings and making the whole thing way more expensive and fragile. NASA listened because they wanted the Air Force as a customer for launches, but in the end the Air Force just went with normal rockets.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The Concorde wouldn't have enough jet fuel to burn the whole tower, it would only take out the top most paid window-office portion of Wall Street executives.

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010
The Air Force hated NASA passionately for most of the organization’s existence and were so loving angry that the space program was under civilian authority instead of controlled by them

they unsuccessfully attempted to run their own parallel manned spaceflight program and even entertained the idea of beating the civilians to space for a time, although it was never a realistic possibility

they then attempted to design their own space station, get a special Air Force mass produced version of the Gemini spacecraft approved, and build their own orbital spaceplane. a few of these projects actually made it really far into development, with the Dyna-Soar spaceplane nearly ready for construction before it got canned, and the MOL military space station project’s new space toilet design even making it into space on NASA’s Skylab later.

The problem they kept running into was that they consistently couldn’t find any good reason for them to have a space program, there wasn’t anything for the hypothetical American space military to do, and that made it hard to justify the enormous price tags - especially when there was already some perfectly good aerospace grift going that the new upstart programs would displace.

anyway the US has an actual dedicated space military now and it has two (2) astronauts

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

brugroffil posted:

Everything is going according to plan. The West is tricking China into making smaller and smaller chips. Soon, they will attempt 0nm architecture, which will collapse the country into a singularity, ending communism forever.

President Xi, please make CyberSyn 2

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

stephenthinkpad posted:

The Concorde wouldn't have enough jet fuel to burn the whole tower, it would only take out the top most paid window-office portion of Wall Street executives.

No amount of jet fuel would have been enough

fanfic insert
Nov 4, 2009

RandolphCarter posted:

I liked the space shuttle :(

nerd

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1755227766935445566?s=20

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

BitcoinRockefeller posted:

Ars Technica comments on any China story are fantastic

ars turned on musk they’ll come around on china too eventually

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Truga posted:

flying into towers at mach .7 or whatever was top speed at sea level would probably make them fall over lol

I think the planes on 9/11 were flying at mach .77

tractor fanatic
Sep 9, 2005

Pillbug

Mister Bates posted:

anyway the US has an actual dedicated space military now and it has two (2) astronauts

Space Force is a reasonable kernel of an idea, although it really should be under OSD's purview instead of a separate service. DOD badly needs organic IT/cyberspace capabilities, and Space Force is as good as anything else. It's just a really stupid name

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




drat who could have though that the people cutting corners to dispose of radioactive water would eventually gently caress up.

China, as always, was right to ban fish imports.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

it sounds like living in England really sucks rear end
‘If I don’t have a dream, what on Earth is the point of living?’




www.rfa.org posted:

Three North Korean immigrants in the UK talk about their escapes and dreams.

Jan 18, 2024

New Malden in southwest London is one of the largest Korean enclaves in all of Europe. It has all the trappings of Koreatowns the world over: a high concentration of Korean restaurants, businesses tailored to Korean speakers, and even non-Korean “tourists” from other parts of the city, looking for something a little different.

Ethnic enclaves like New Malden are full of immigrants who left their home country for one reason or another to try to make it in a new country, and while most of the 20,000 ethnic Korean residents there are first-, second- or third-generation immigrants from South Korea, there are about 700 New Malden residents who are from the North.

Though they are no longer living under the repressive North Korean government and have resettled in a new land, many are still struggling to find their place in the world, but some remain steadfast in pursuit of their dreams.

“My grandfather was a potter in North Korea,” he said. “I was naturally exposed to a lot of pottery from a young age. I even drew along while looking at my grandfather’s collection of work. That’s why back then, I used to think that when I grew up, I wanted to become a great artist.”

#### ‘I can’t live in this country’

Lee first escaped from North Korea at age 16, in the winter of 1997.

It was the height of the Arduous March, the term used by North Koreans to describe a 1994-1998 famine that claimed hundreds of thousands of lives. According to some estimates, more than 2 million people – about 10% of the population - died.

Lee fled to China to look for better living conditions – and his mother, who had escaped previously. But he was caught by Chinese authorities and sent home against his will.

He spent the next year in a labor camp, digging out a riverbed to prevent flood damage.

“I was going through such a difficult time in prison, and so I asked myself, ‘Is it a crime to go look for my mother?’ and ‘I’m still a minor,’ There were a lot of feelings of animosity like this.”

“So, I thought, ‘I can’t live in this country. I have to get out somehow.’”

Upon Lee’s release, he was branded with a criminal record and considered by society to be a traitor, so there was no way that Lee could even hope to be allowed by the government to pursue a career in art.

To stay would have meant menial jobs and a bare-bones existence, he explained.

“Even if I were to live in that country, it wouldn’t feel like I'm actually breathing,” said Lee. “I would have to live under surveillance all the time. What hope could I have living in a country where I can't do what I want?”

About a year after his first attempt, he crossed the border into China again - and eventually moved to Britain in 2014.

#### Loneliness, prejudice

It's now been nearly 10 years since he landed in London with the dream of becoming a painter, but he still does manual labor. Facing numerous barriers, he has not been able to break into the London art scene.

“I met a gallery director, and the more we talked, the more it stung. They told me I was not qualified,” said Lee. “They said that people would only recognize me if I met certain qualifications, such as a diploma or a lot of experience.”

But his biggest battle is with extreme loneliness, he said.

“When I tell people I am from North Korea, people start off immediately prejudiced,” said Lee. “From that point on, it’s like a wound that I am not even aware of. Every time I meet people though, that’s how the conversation goes.”

“I want to live as an artist, but I am afraid that my dreams are fading away in the face of poverty,” said Lee. “People call me thoughtless and immature. They ask ‘Why are you still dreaming, as if you were playing like a child at this age? Why are you still dreaming when you are already 40 years old?’”

He paused and smiled.

“There is meaning in life only when I have the will to live and the desire to achieve it. If I don’t have a dream, what on Earth is the point of living?”

He picked up a carving knife and began cutting materials for his next masterpiece.

### Musical freedom

About a 30-minute drive from New Malden, in the suburb of Molesey, guitarist Jeon Yeyoung makes a cappuccino in her kitchen on the second floor of a red-bricked apartment building. She adds a bit of honey, and this is how she starts her day.

Classical guitars line the walls of her living room, and several of her friends have come to visit her on this day.

One comments how relaxed she seems.

Jeon laughs. Before she left North Korea to pursue her musical dreams, that was not a feeling she was familiar with.

“In North Korea, it was like ‘Relaxed? What does that mean?’” she said. “I can’t imagine leisure, relaxation or anything like romance. That kind of thing does not fit in North Korea.”

Jeon is playing Romance D’Amour.

Jeon’s dream was further cemented the first time she heard her guitar teacher play “Raindrops,” a song composed by renowned U.S. guitarist George C. Lindsay. But North Korean musicians are forbidden from playing anything that does not glorify the country or its leadership, at least publicly.

“The teacher wouldn’t give me the sheet music for ‘Raindrops.’ He told me, ‘Don’t even think about learning it,’” she said.

“But I thought this song was so pretty that every time I went to the teacher, I asked, ‘Please play that song,’ and I played it as I heard. I kept memorizing it. I went home and copied what I heard.”

#### Water in the desert

The song carries special meaning for her.

“It felt like water drops in the desert. In a waterless desert, a single drop of water has tremendous power. When you feel thirsty, the most powerful thing is water.”

As an artist, she yearned to play whatever she wanted to. She yearned for freedom.

At the age of 17, Jeon was all set to join the prestigious music propaganda team, but instead was suddenly assigned to farm labor in the countryside.

Jeon did not want to give up her dreams of becoming a talented guitarist, so when her family was sleeping, she ran away from home, running breathlessly into the night.

She escaped the country and eventually arrived the U.K. penniless in 2008. To pay her university tuition, she had no choice but to take jobs doing the same kind of menial work that she had run from.

She cleaned hotels and helped out at beauty salons and the hard work took a toll on her hands, giving her swollen, achy joints. This made it difficult to practice guitar.

Jeon recalls the moment she had had enough of being told what to do. She was cleaning the office of the hotel where she worked.

“One day, the manager, her name was Amanda, she told me to clean the car park where there were a lot of cigarette butts scattered about,” she said.

“So I told her, ‘When you first signed the contract, didn't you say it was for office cleaning?’ But she said she can tell me what to do because she is the manager,” Jeon said, her voice getting louder and faster as she recounted the tale.

“I knew the word ‘labor exploitation’ in Korean, but I didn’t know the word in English,” she said. “I used to use an electronic dictionary. I said to Amanda, ‘You wait,’ and took an electronic dictionary from my backpack and said, ‘Exploitation!’”

This was the first time that she had mustered up the courage to speak up for herself.

After much hard work and study, Jeon earned a master's degree in classical guitar from the prestigious Guildhall School of Music and Drama.

But Jeon said she actually felt sad when it was all over.

“After graduating last year, I thought I would be free now, but slowly, in my mind, I sometimes think, ‘I didn’t do anything good for my parents, why was I born like this, why did I come out like this?’”

These guilty feelings that she had suppressed over many years finally burst out in a way that she was not able to handle on her own. She needed a place to share her feelings with likeminded people.

This is how she found Connect: North Korea, a nonprofit organization that supports people who have escaped North Korea and settled in the U.K.

She had previously been avoiding escapees, and even other Koreans, but now she teaches guitar lessons to children of other North Koreans through the organization.

“In the past, I wanted to forget that I came from North Korea. Maybe I was pretending,” she said. “But if I think about it, we North Korean people have a kind of pain. I also have a heartache. Would you say this is how North Koreans feel when they view other North Koreans?”

### Political freedom

About a three-and-a-half hour drive to the northwest of New Malden is Denton, a town in Greater Manchester that Timothy Cho hopes to represent in the district council.

Cho, a 34-year-old candidate for the Conservative Party, is walking from house to house to encourage people to vote for him in the next local election.

Although he has lost in multiple elections, simply running is a victory for Cho.

“I experienced a dictatorship system and did not know the meaning of elections,” he said. “But when I came here, I could become a candidate and run for office. … Each vote is very precious.”

#### The Ark

Cho’s mental health was suffering when he arrived, but there were people who would help him recover in the new community that he would eventually call home.

In a two-story house located in a quiet residential part of Denton is a shelter called the Ark. Even though Cho is busy campaigning, he stops by and shares a warm meal with the people who helped him early on.

“I still come here often. The people here are like family to me,” he said. “These people pray a lot for the Korean Peninsula.”

All told, about 3,000 North Korean escapees live in the U.K., the largest community of North Korean diaspora in Europe.

Cho stayed at the Ark when he was a college student. He said the staff and others who were staying at the shelter taught him, a lonely escapee, the meaning of family.

Initially he had hoped to become a dentist, but one day he came across a video featuring another escapee who aspired to learn English and tell the world about North Korea’s human rights abuses.

It was then that all the pain of his past became overwhelming, and he decided to become an activist.

“I can’t wait to see North Korea open,” he said. “I wish that the North Korean people could meet a leader who properly serves the people, allows them to freely engage in market economic activities, and allows travel between South and North Korea.”

Now this one-time beggar child is trying to represent the people in his community – an impossibility if he was in North Korea.

The people of Denton South went to vote on May 4, but even that day, Cho was busy going from house to house asking people to vote.

A couple walked past him and gave him encouragement.

“I voted for you,” one of them said.

Early in the vote count it appeared that Cho had a chance at winning a council seat. He was neck-and-neck with the leading Labour Party candidate.

At 2 a.m., the results were finally announced: "Cho, Timothy. Conservative Party candidate, 666." It was not enough to win a seat. He ranked fourth, behind three Labour Party candidates.

Still, he was not downcast.

“Whether I win or lose, I have no regrets about this election,” he said. “I am grateful, and the challenge will never stop.”

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

Votskomit posted:

Earlier this year I attended a lecture by a (south African) company who specialises in investing in China. Some of the quotes by the ceo, from my biased memory

...

I attended another one.

He mostly repeated most of last years points, though with these additions, from my biased memory:

"After the government cracked down on private Curriculum based tutoring below the age of 16, the biggest tutoring company struggled. But they pivoted and recovered almost entirely within just one year. What they do now is they provide tutoring that is in theory completely divorced from the state Curriculum. Things like Logic and coding that isn't taught in school. In practice what seems to be going on is that Chinese parents are primarily concerned about keeping their kids off of screens. So the tutors are now doing mostly childcare and life skills tutoring."


Audience: "something something Xi Jinping third term something politics. Xi Jinping bad?"
Investor: "When Xi speaks, our experience is that he is entirely sincere and you should take him at his word. We believe the government is sincerely trying to maximize social utility. He wants to build a moderately prosperous nation by 2050. We don't know what exactly that means, but we know that it is very risky to invest in anything that has zero or negative social utility. Whenever an industry is considered harmful to people or society, the government cracks down on it. They tell you beforehand what those industries are, and so we avoid those industries. If Douyin or TikTok was listed, we would not invest in it."

Audience: "Something something taiwan something something escalate. What then?"

Answer: "Well if things escalate, Apple will be in a lot of trouble. Every American company will be in a lot of trouble. This is made in China (point at microphone). This is made in China (points at podium) everything is made in China and sold by American or other companies. So investment wise if things escalate between China and Taiwan, the problem may be bigger for investments in America than China."


So. I walked away from that hearing that investing in socially useful things is much more successful in China than anywhere else.

Cao Ni Ma posted:


China, as always, was right

fanfic insert
Nov 4, 2009

mawarannahr posted:

it sounds like living in England really sucks rear end

quote:

"Cho, Timothy. Conservative Party candidate, 666."

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008


soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAkL2-vh2Sk

Votskomit posted:

Audience: "something something Xi Jinping third term something politics. Xi Jinping bad?"
Investor: "When Xi speaks, our experience is that he is entirely sincere and you should take him at his word. We believe the government is sincerely trying to maximize social utility. He wants to build a moderately prosperous nation by 2050. We don't know what exactly that means, but we know that it is very risky to invest in anything that has zero or negative social utility. Whenever an industry is considered harmful to people or society, the government cracks down on it. They tell you beforehand what those industries are, and so we avoid those industries. If Douyin or TikTok was listed, we would not invest in it."

just lol, they even tell them "listen this is socially harmful and we're probably gonna take a baseball bat to their knees eventually if not soon" but the western mooks probably go think like "well we're just gonna have to grow it so it's too big to fail hehe" and then a couple of years later they're giving weepy interviews to new york times

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
westoids absolutely befuddled by a government that keeps its word and actually cares about the welfare of its citizens

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I was thinking the other way the west has a think tank NGO that specializes in tracking Chinese projects in Africa yet they don't have a NGO that track the CPC five year plans. The CPC literally tell you more than 50% of their plans in their 5 year plan documents.

Not just the west, I don't think anyone get paid to follow the 5 year plans in Taiwan either.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010


quote:

To stay would have meant menial jobs and a bare-bones existence, he explained.

“Even if I were to live in that country, it wouldn’t feel like I'm actually breathing,” said Lee. “I would have to live under surveillance all the time. What hope could I have living in a country where I can't do what I want?”

quote:

It's now been nearly 10 years since he landed in London with the dream of becoming a painter, but he still does manual labor. Facing numerous barriers, he has not been able to break into the London art scene.

“I met a gallery director, and the more we talked, the more it stung. They told me I was not qualified,” said Lee. “They said that people would only recognize me if I met certain qualifications, such as a diploma or a lot of experience.”

...

“I want to live as an artist, but I am afraid that my dreams are fading away in the face of poverty,” said Lee.

something something freedom under capitalism is freedom for the bourgeoisie

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Lol at moving to London to avoid surveillance by the state.

Anyway, America has decided now is a good time to open a third front.

https://twitter.com/TaiwanDefenseU/status/1754905398090531278

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Isn't Kinmen one of the rocks that a DJI Mavic can fly over from the Mainland?

Like uh Slava Taiwan and all that but that sounds like a recipe for a really short life there.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

That's kinda the point

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/BusinessInsider/status/1755378540587999300?s=20

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Danann posted:

Isn't Kinmen one of the rocks that a DJI Mavic can fly over from the Mainland?

Like uh Slava Taiwan and all that but that sounds like a recipe for a really short life there.

It is. But when poo poo hits the fan PLAN will skip those rocks next to Xiamen and go straight to the main island.

BTW if the US publicly announces military personnel stations in Taiwan they are basically low key violating the Three Communiques.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
Sri Lanka's leftist coalition / main communist party is schmoozing with the Indian government, and I'm not entirely clear on why: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PIrOQlB2Z8jt_6C

other than that it represents a continuing upturn in the NPP's good fortunes as a coalition

a lot of let's-call-them-progressives are still a bit spooked by jvp being, you know, a revolutionary communist party some decades ago during the heat of the civil war, before they handed over (most of) their guns and went electoralist

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Votskomit posted:

I attended another one.

He mostly repeated most of last years points, though with these additions, from my biased memory:

interesting. was this in Africa, US, Asia?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
https://twitter.com/Mont_Jiang/status/1754949738879717397?t=x-HxL6GBTL8jzldisFdHbQ&s=19

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

Google Jeb Bush posted:

Sri Lanka's leftist coalition / main communist party is schmoozing with the Indian government, and I'm not entirely clear on why: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PIrOQlB2Z8jt_6C

other than that it represents a continuing upturn in the NPP's good fortunes as a coalition

a lot of let's-call-them-progressives are still a bit spooked by jvp being, you know, a revolutionary communist party some decades ago during the heat of the civil war, before they handed over (most of) their guns and went electoralist

if the communists have aspirations towards being in control of the government at some point in the future, it is probably a good idea to meet with the leaders of the giant neighbor country and start building up some diplomatic ties

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Google Jeb Bush posted:

Sri Lanka's leftist coalition / main communist party is schmoozing with the Indian government, and I'm not entirely clear on why: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PIrOQlB2Z8jt_6C

other than that it represents a continuing upturn in the NPP's good fortunes as a coalition

a lot of let's-call-them-progressives are still a bit spooked by jvp being, you know, a revolutionary communist party some decades ago during the heat of the civil war, before they handed over (most of) their guns and went electoralist

They are politicians from neighboring countries OP. Normal countries do this thing called diplomacy where they make friends.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Mister Bates posted:

if the communists have aspirations towards being in control of the government at some point in the future, it is probably a good idea to meet with the leaders of the giant neighbor country and start building up some diplomatic ties

yeah that's what I figure, they're no longer total also-rans (due to the other coalitions completely making GBS threads the bed during the economic apocalypse that sl is *starting* to pull out of)

I loving hate Modi but well, it's not like you can wish India away

Goatse James Bond has issued a correction as of 02:22 on Feb 8, 2024

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

circle venn diagram of china watcher + sexpest + every loving time

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1755130523515855214

china is realizing dahir insaat

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Google Jeb Bush posted:

Sri Lanka's leftist coalition / main communist party is schmoozing with the Indian government, and I'm not entirely clear on why: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PIrOQlB2Z8jt_6C

other than that it represents a continuing upturn in the NPP's good fortunes as a coalition

a lot of let's-call-them-progressives are still a bit spooked by jvp being, you know, a revolutionary communist party some decades ago during the heat of the civil war, before they handed over (most of) their guns and went electoralist

I mean they are a big neighboring country. Good relations is kinda important.

Votskomit
Jun 26, 2013

crepeface posted:

interesting. was this in Africa, US, Asia?

Cape town. The guy was born here and now spends most of his time in Hong Kong I believe.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

Google Jeb Bush posted:

Sri Lanka's leftist coalition / main communist party is schmoozing with the Indian government, and I'm not entirely clear on why: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...PIrOQlB2Z8jt_6C

other than that it represents a continuing upturn in the NPP's good fortunes as a coalition

a lot of let's-call-them-progressives are still a bit spooked by jvp being, you know, a revolutionary communist party some decades ago during the heat of the civil war, before they handed over (most of) their guns and went electoralist

go away you useless sack of poo poo

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


walking to the coffee shop when some fish guts and juices drop on me lol

also, is 22 billion a lot of bequerels? asking for a friend

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

im hungry, better order a mackeral to drone strike my apartment

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/PostLeftWatch/status/1755433293779206540?t=Lj5JxQJrNEWONAuq4BFcIA&s=19

I love this account because it's too polite to ever take a tone on the clip it's describing, as if the straight dope is ridiculous on its face

But like, the analogy is entirely correct

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