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Phlegmish posted:China's is the result of the one-child policy combined with lingering patriarchal norms, of course. It's sex ratio at birth though, how would migration matter?
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distortion park posted:
kind of remarkable that it's >1 basically everywhere in the world. wouldn't that show up in demographics?
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redleader posted:kind of remarkable that it's >1 basically everywhere in the world. wouldn't that show up in demographics? Men have significantly lower life expectancy though.
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redleader posted:kind of remarkable that it's >1 basically everywhere in the world.
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Yeah what's going on in southern and southwestern Africa that the ratio is so low?
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redleader posted:kind of remarkable that it's >1 basically everywhere in the world. wouldn't that show up in demographics? As said by Guavanaut, parents are slightly more likely to have a boy than a girl, this seems to be biologically determined. Then, it depends on the society and historical time period, but it usually equalizes around 50 or so, as men lead more dangerous lifestyles on average. After that, you quickly end up with a female surplus. EasilyConfused posted:It's sex ratio at birth though, how would migration matter? Then I've got nothin'.
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Feb 7, 2024 00:29
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I think I remember reading once that environmental factors influence what you get.
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Feb 7, 2024 00:29
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OwlFancier posted:I think I remember reading once that environmental factors influence what you get. IIRC if the mother eats three pieces of watermelon while pregnant it's almost always a girl.
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Feb 7, 2024 00:34
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Grand Fromage posted:IIRC if the mother eats three pieces of watermelon while pregnant it's almost always a girl. Yeah, and if you want a boy, the mother should eat apples.
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Guavanaut posted:Natural ratio is around 1.05, so while I can guess what was happening in China and India, cases like Namibia and Botswana are also interesting. I recall reading an article about the situation in China, where for a long time it had been assumed that under the one child policy, girls were being abandoned or aborted, but instead it's become increasingly clear that for the most part girls simply weren't registered as births instead, meaning that there's lots of women now in China who have essentially no documentation, and getting that documentation is effectively saying your birth was a crime which you and your parents have been complicit in covering up.
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All this proves is French are liars
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Croatians sighing longingly while looking at photos of the Queen.
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I didn't realize Czechia was that eurosceptic (7 years ago). More negative than Hungary is wild.
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Phlegmish posted:I didn't realize Czechia was that eurosceptic (7 years ago). More negative than Hungary is wild. The Czech political and media landscape is more like a center-right/right-wing hellscape since mid-2010s or so, after a leftist soc dem government collapsed due to scandals. In some ways a bit like Hungary but politically aligned with German conservatives and US liberals and without an obvious fash strongman like Orban (technically Tomio Okamura exists but he's more of a Le Pen character and never managed to get any real power). e: It's also probably the most ardent supporter of Israel in the EU, in line with the above about US/CDU (ad taken out by the Israeli government to thank for support at the UN re: Gaza): 
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Reveilled posted:I recall reading an article about the situation in China, where for a long time it had been assumed that under the one child policy, girls were being abandoned or aborted, but instead it's become increasingly clear that for the most part girls simply weren't registered as births instead, meaning that there's lots of women now in China who have essentially no documentation, and getting that documentation is effectively saying your birth was a crime which you and your parents have been complicit in covering up. Huh. That makes a lot of sense and is a fascinating alternate take I hadn't encountered before. I'd be interested in reading the article, if you can find it again.
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I don't know how much that is true, but if it is then the hukou system might help hide it in some cases, since a significant portion of inhabitants are without access to state services and benefits due to not having a local one. But even then you do need id for a huge amount of things (which is rather inconvenient as a foreigner) so I don't know if that would matter. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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redleader posted:kind of remarkable that it's >1 basically everywhere in the world. wouldn't that show up in demographics? One of the hypotheses about this is that the Y chromosome is less massive than a X, conferring a speed advantage to swimmers bearing Y. This does not appear to be true, but since when have we let that get in the way of a good story?
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Guavanaut posted:I think to do that you'd have to stick strictly to a sort of social-liberal framework of "we should have a society that helps people have the family that they want" and hope that works for your demographics, because the minute "shrinking native population" or "we can't rely on 'importing' immigrants" rhetoric creeps in then those guys always seem to pop up and go "no wait I've got a far simpler solution to your problem!" Education.jpg ?
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Platystemon posted:One of the hypotheses about this is that the Y chromosome is less massive than a X, conferring a speed advantage to swimmers bearing Y. Not my field, but what I've heard scientifically is that X-chromosome inactivation is hard, chromosomal abnormalities are a super common reason for spontaneous abortion, and reliably inactivating an extra copy of the X chromosome is hard. Knockouts of the Xist gene responsible for extra-X-chromosome inactivation are lethal (i.e. you can't actually have XX both working due to gene dosage issues causing complete organism failure, but XY both working is fine), so the failure rate of XX eggs could be higher than the failure rate of XY eggs, due to the complication of Xist. I would guess that even less catastrophic modifications than knockout can still be lethal to early embryos. Meiosis is also complicated and super error prone, partly by design. Air Skwirl posted:I don't know how many of these women (and probably a lot of them are better described as girls) would have had an abortion A substantially fewer number of them are better described as girls today, especially in the US. The most recent numbers were just released: This is overall female fertility rate (girls + women) since this is a maps thread (only 2 states increased in the last 18 years):  and then by age group, since that's the actual topic of conversation: 
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Saladman posted:A substantially fewer number of them are better described as girls today, especially in the US. The most recent numbers were just released: I was saying a lot of people getting raped are under the age of 18, not making a point about fertility by age.
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Vavrek posted:Huh. That makes a lot of sense and is a fascinating alternate take I hadn't encountered before. I'd be interested in reading the article, if you can find it again. Unfortunately it was years ago and it might have even been on paper, but I think it was based on the same study referenced in this CNN article from around the time I would have read it: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/01/asia/china-missing-girls/index.html
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Private Speech posted:The Czech political and media landscape is more like a center-right/right-wing hellscape since mid-2010s or so, after a leftist soc dem government collapsed due to scandals. You know, I actually wasn't aware of the political landscape in Czechia, I just knew it was doing quite well for a former East Bloc country, so thank you for this post. I visited Prague in 2010 or so, and it already seemed just like any Western European capital city, just with more black guys trying to lure me into strip clubs. It also came up earlier in the demographic discussion as one of the few Eastern European countries experiencing population growth. If it's this Eurosceptic, that's somewhat disheartening, but it makes sense for it to be a 'moderate' Western-aligned form of (neo-)conservatism. Reminds me of Flanders a bit. Platystemon posted:One of the hypotheses about this is that the Y chromosome is less massive than a X, conferring a speed advantage to swimmers bearing Y. Explains Michael Phelps
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Reveilled posted:Unfortunately it was years ago and it might have even been on paper, but I think it was based on the same study referenced in this CNN article from around the time I would have read it: I've read similar things in the past, and it makes a lot of sense. Still hosed up, but significantly less so than the alternative. No matter how patriarchal your society is, even just from a strict  evolutionary perspective and ignoring the ethical aspect, you obviously don't want to get rid of any of your children if you can help it. China is more decentralized than a lot of people think, I assume this involved sympathetic local officials looking the other way, possibly with a little bribery involved.I take it these women, not being registered, are also not counted in the census? Could be a  from the CCP to start regularizing them in successive waves, and then declare that the proud Chinese nation is growing again.
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One weird fertility trick. Statisticians hate it.
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Phlegmish posted:I've read similar things in the past, and it makes a lot of sense. Still hosed up, but significantly less so than the alternative. No matter how patriarchal your society is, even just from a strict From that article it seems like many of those girls are indeed registered, it just happened decades later. "They discovered that though families didn’t register girls immediately after birth or in the months following, they tended to get reported between the ages of 10 to 20." Considering that you can’t even take a train or pay for anything without an ID card, I’d imagine the number of truly unregistered adult Chinese women is very low. Not that I know so much on the subject.
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DTurtle posted:Strawman much? I never said it had no impact. No studies then eh? So to be clear, after all that noise, you are actually now agreeing with my point from the start that over work, and financial security issues, are current issues which could and should be solved by governments to help reduce the birth rate decline in the first world. Thats good to see I guess. I brought autism into the discussion because you repeatedly made a very autistic argument that showed no evidence of ever having talked to women of parental age in the real world. Saladman posted:You’re extremely aggressive about this for some reason - and I haven’t been posting about it, so just an outside comment. There are definitely people who "just don’t want to." I have five close-since-teenage-years female friends, two of whom said they didn’t (ever) want kids as teenagers, and now in their mid 30s, they still don’t want kids - I just saw one of them last month and am hanging out with the other next month. They’re both straight, married to men with whom they have been stable with for nearly 10 years, have well paid, secured, and not particularly stressful jobs, no medical issues, their family life growing up was fine, and neither of them had to worry about rent or whatever. I mean this is obviously very anecdotal but such people aren’t unicorns. There are absolutely people who "just don't want to", but I never said there weren't. My points from the start were that 1) the birth rate in many first world societies is unsustainably low now and 2) an important, and good for society, way to help remedy this would be to reduce the amount of time young people work and increase their financial security. The poster I was replying to was trying to argue initially that increasing immigration, and having current residents work more, were better solutions. Blut fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Hey, I concur with a lot of the things you've said, but it's not cool to start talking about someone being autistic just because you don't agree with them in an online discussion.
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Phlegmish posted:I am sitting here masturbating in a barrel right now, but people like Bill Gates and Stephen Hawking have refused to recognize my brilliance, due to DEI 
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Reveilled posted:Unfortunately it was years ago and it might have even been on paper, but I think it was based on the same study referenced in this CNN article from around the time I would have read it: Bingo, thanks. (The book written by the researchers of that study, published 2019.) edit: And the 2016 paper (pdf), from a coauthor's website. Vavrek fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Phlegmish posted:Hey, I concur with a lot of the things you've said, but it's not cool to start talking about someone being autistic just because you don't agree with them in an online discussion. I called their line of argument autistic, to be clear, not them. Which it was. That aside, if someone uses a very autistic style of debate its rather important to call that out so they can learn to improve their debate skills, I'd say. Its the same as grading a student's research paper badly due to it having poor spelling. It'll annoy them and they may even be insulted, and it might be a struggle for them to overcome if they're dyslexic. But they'll learn from it and improve hopefully - because in both online debates and in the real world they're going to need to, if they're to be taken seriously as adults. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Platystemon posted:One of the hypotheses about this is that the Y chromosome is less massive than a X, conferring a speed advantage to swimmers bearing Y. Blut posted:I called their line of argument autistic, to be clear, not them. Which it was. That aside, if someone uses a very autistic style of debate its rather important to call that out so they can learn to improve their debate skills, I'd say.
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Blut posted:I called their line of argument autistic, to be clear, not them. Which it was. That aside, if someone uses a very autistic style of debate its rather important to call that out so they can learn to improve their debate skills, I'd say. in the interest of calling out your style of debate so you can improve, i'd say that your argumentation has a very "you should stop posting" style
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Blut posted:I called their line of argument autistic, to be clear, not them. Which it was. That aside, if someone uses a very autistic style of debate its rather important to call that out so they can learn to improve their debate skills, I'd say. You are still using autistic to mean (a specific kind of) bad, instead of the acceptable use, which is something like "not understanding other people's emotions and social cues Very well". You are essentially still stigmatizing autism or using it pejoratively, which is not really cool. Also this post, and presumably many others in this thread is actually autistic, because this forum tends to attract autistic people. And most of the posts (well, maybe) are good.
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Tree Goat posted:in the interest of calling out your style of debate so you can improve, i'd say that your argumentation has a very "you should stop posting" style 
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