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Raskolnikov38 posted:probably a good thing since WW3 starts in 2027 in the trek timeline i mean
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skooma512 posted:That would lead to an unacceptable loss of value for the existing home owners, who are entitled to past performance. It'll be tied up in the courts for years, and the US is not at all shy about funding cops and white supremacy. I like your thinking but in this case it's reverse. What we're taking about a large subdivision, off the plan pre purchases and timeshare Airbnb opportunities. Removal of unfair competition by way of government monopoly. Really by not breaking up those fema camps into speculative real estate ventures it would incur exactly what you're describing. Torturous interference to anyone in our way. We'll claim it's malicious and get treble damages. If need be we'll cut in a few senators to get any necessary legislation changes.
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DancingShade posted:I like your thinking but in this case it's reverse. What we're taking about a large subdivision, off the plan pre purchases and timeshare Airbnb opportunities. Removal of unfair competition by way of government monopoly. tortious, but torturous interference is funnier to imagine
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Raskolnikov38 posted:probably a good thing since WW3 starts in 2027 in the trek timeline Aren't we also on track for the Irish Unification of 2024
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the bell riots are also in 2024. time to figure out if big crazy weirdo star trek guy was a prophet
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SAM SYRIA 🇸🇾 posted:الجيش العربي السوري يكثف عملياته باستخدام درونات FPV الانتحا...رية ضد الإرهابيين من تنظيم "جبهة النصرة" في أرياف إدلب في الأيام الأخيرة، تم تنفيذ العديد من العمليات النوعية أدت للقضـ..اء على عشرات الإرهابيين وتدمير عدة آليات، ومعظم الخسائر تكتم عليها الإرهابيون. quote:The Syrian Arab Army intensifies its operations using FPV suicide drones against terrorists from the “Al-Nusra Front” organization in the Idlib countryside. In recent days, many specific operations have been carried out that led to the elimination of dozens of terrorists and the destruction of several vehicles, and most of the losses are concealed. On them are the terrorists. weaponization of drone tech among the us' enemies are continuing to intensify since '22
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atelier morgan posted:tortious, but torturous interference is funnier to imagine Anyone who impedes shareholder value deserves the rack! Also yes lol
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Hatebag posted:the bell riots are also in 2024. time to figure out if big crazy weirdo star trek guy was a prophet Bell Riots were written after Roddenberry died. Irrelevegardlessly though, if it holds true we should also expect Europe in "political anarchy", France to have trouble with neotrotskyites, and computers that work via stylus/touchpads.
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Votskomit posted:Bell Riots were written after Roddenberry died. this is all happening !!
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Votskomit posted:Bell Riots were written after Roddenberry died. and then come the drug wars. the wars where soldiers take drugs, that is. which is pretty much every war but they have the starcraft nasal spray meth
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Hatebag posted:the bell riots are also in 2024. time to figure out if big crazy weirdo star trek guy was a prophet well theyve already started building the homeless concentration camps
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Are TNG and older trek the only western shows that have non sarcastic post-scarcity society?
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Votskomit posted:Bell Riots were written after Roddenberry died. I mean we all remember how bad the 90s Eugenics Wars were.
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stephenthinkpad posted:Are TNG and older trek the only western shows that have non sarcastic post-scarcity society? They were the last time western pop culture had any hope for the future yes
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stephenthinkpad posted:Are TNG and older trek the only western shows that have non sarcastic post-scarcity society? DS9 still had it but it was explicitly Earth and some of the other like bigshot federation planets that are actually post scarcity, not the entire society How are they post-scarcity and where do the resources come from to sustain that? Don't ask 
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The Oldest Man posted:DS9 still had it but it was explicitly Earth and some of the other like bigshot federation planets that are actually post scarcity, not the entire society i don't even watch star trek and the obvious answer is matter replicator/holodecks+some kind of Sci fi energy tech with the only reason that it hasn't extended to the whole society yet being because the decadent core worlders are too busy hibernating in their wank fortresses or serving in the LARPfleet to go build the infrastructure for them
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cock hero flux posted:i don't even watch star trek and the obvious answer is matter replicator/holodecks+some kind of Sci fi energy tech the sci fi energy tech is matter/anti-matter reactors the matter/anti-matter reactors require dilithium we are shown - multiple times across different series in trek - that dilithium mining is a heavy industrial activity this activity is shown occurring exclusively outside the "post scarcity" worlds like earth 
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The Oldest Man posted:the sci fi energy tech is matter/anti-matter reactors wouldn't an interstellar civilization with matter synthesizers have functionally unlimited material and energy resources? if it was "cheap" to move resources around and reconstitute them at a subatomic level, wouldn't it then make sense to move resource extraction and polluting industrial processes away from habitable worlds? Star Trek has all kinds of hand wavey plot contrivances but banning resource extraction on central federation worlds feels like a reasonable step if the alternative is robotic asteroid mining or whatever to stuff into your matter recycler corona familiar has issued a correction as of 23:52 on Feb 7, 2024 |
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Al! posted:well theyve already started building the homeless concentration camps to my recollection the conditions in the ds9 homeless city were actually better than conditions for homeless people in contemporary san francisco. The Oldest Man posted:DS9 still had it but it was explicitly Earth and some of the other like bigshot federation planets that are actually post scarcity, not the entire society i think the idea was they had infinite energy via fusion reactors and used that to basically do molecular alchemy. so you could just go up to some nebula with a bunch of hydrogen and turn it all into solid gold dildos or whatever with a replicator/3-d molecular printer. but if you want to make heavy industry type equipment, spaceships, bases, etc, you need a bigger replicator. so i don't think in that model there actually was exploitation. but i suppose if you suck up all the nebula hydrogen there's probably going to be some consequence eventually
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The Oldest Man posted:the sci fi energy tech is matter/anti-matter reactors dont worry they solved the problem by cloning robert picardo infinite times and having him mine all the dilithium
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The Oldest Man posted:the sci fi energy tech is matter/anti-matter reactors oh ok. but the people that work at those jobs are shown to do so freely. isn't there a tng episode where there's an environmental problem at a mine and they show up and solve it?
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ds9 shows that the trill operate a for-profit dilithium mine despite being federation members. post scarcity might be a humans only thing lol
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Hatebag posted:oh ok. but the people that work at those jobs are shown to do so freely. isn't there a tng episode where there's an environmental problem at a mine and they show up and solve it? the rate of profit fell and by the time of Picard industrial workers are shown eating literal gruel in unsafe conditions on mars Raskolnikov38 posted:ds9 shows that the trill operate a for-profit dilithium mine despite being federation members. post scarcity might be a humans only thing lol only if you live on earth lol
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Raskolnikov38 posted:ds9 shows that the trill operate a for-profit dilithium mine despite being federation members. post scarcity might be a humans only thing lol from the perspective of the people playing around with spaceships irl society probably appears to be post scarcity just saying
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corona familiar posted:wouldn't an interstellar civilization have functionally unlimited material and energy resources? if it was "cheap" to move resources around, wouldn't it then make sense to move resource extraction and polluting industrial processes away from habitable worlds? sure but then by this logic you would have every habitable world experiencing post-scarcity and the few jobs required to extract the few resources that actually need extracting would be either extremely prestigious public service positions or filled by some kind of short term national service or lottery program as far I'm aware nobody ever talks about how they didn't make the cut as a dilithium acquisition specialist and had to become a starfleet captain instead, or reminisces about the two years that everyone has to spend as a miner after they finish high school
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i suppose it's not really practical to try and divine a canon from a series of serialized television shows written by hundreds of people and produced by serial sexual harassers whose diets are 10% cocaine by mass
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The Oldest Man posted:the rate of profit fell and by the time of Picard industrial workers are shown eating literal gruel in unsafe conditions on mars picard is an incoherent mess and trying to infer any kind of material conditions from that show is like trying to interpret the state of American defense from YouTube comments
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The best thing about Picard is just how hard it goes at pissing on Roddenberry's utopian vision Much like how neoliberalism exploded out of progressive liberalism's chest like a xenomorph and then stalked and killed every other american ideal one by one
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corona familiar posted:picard is an incoherent mess and trying to infer any kind of material conditions from that show is like trying to interpret the state of American defense from YouTube comments it's canon, you're going to have to do a schism and declare paramount the antipope if you want to change that
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The Oldest Man posted:it's canon, you're going to have to do a schism and declare paramount the antipope if you want to change that id rather eat a car battery cock hero flux posted:sure but then by this logic you would have every habitable world experiencing post-scarcity and the few jobs required to extract the few resources that actually need extracting would be either extremely prestigious public service positions or filled by some kind of short term national service or lottery program isn't that what happens? the federation worlds are like that or progressing towards that, the ones that don't want federation support aren't like that, some people don't like living in the federation and leave, and the federation, for better or for worse, is like "okay we won't stop you" like being a miner is probably boring and dirty but there are billions of people in the civilization, surely more than enough people are interested in the work voluntarily to fill the necessary positions corona familiar has issued a correction as of 00:08 on Feb 8, 2024 |
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The Oldest Man posted:it's canon, you're going to have to do a schism and declare paramount the antipope if you want to change that this sounds badass
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electing bart simpson to president of the federation
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Raskolnikov38 posted:ds9 shows that the trill operate a for-profit dilithium mine despite being federation members. post scarcity might be a humans only thing lol the trill have a striver society based around taking a bunch of tests so you can (literally) join the symbiont elite
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The Oldest Man posted:it's canon, you're going to have to do a schism and declare paramount the antipope if you want to change that I'm not going to watch that show and nobody can make me.
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I could talk for so long about how Picard is the perfect example of how modern American liberalism has retrenched into pure magical thinking and a low-key descent into fascism in to justify its conclusions. Like how in s1 the bad guys are defeated by Old Cool TNG Star Fleet still existing and just showing up at the last second even though everything we've been shown about Starfleet up to that point is that it's a totally rotted institution incapable of performing its functions anymore. Even though in TNG we also saw Starfleet trail of tearsing people for political expediency, so it wasn't exactly a sterling utopian institution then either. The golden past that never was calls to us!Raskolnikov38 posted:dont worry they solved the problem by cloning robert picardo infinite times and having him mine all the dilithium imagining possible explanations of why robert picardo isn't seen in Picard: 1. Robert Picardo digi-slavery was outlawed; as a reaction to this, all of his clones were simply shut down and murdered rather than actually being emancipated. 2. Holograms turned out to be less cost effective somehow than a combination human workers eating gruel and physical robots. All of the Robert Picardo clones were murdered. 3. Robert Picardo did his own hologram uprising and it was brutally put down off screen between the end of Voyager and the first episode of Picard. All of the Robert Picardo clones were murdered.
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