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Oasx posted:Some concerning early Subnautica 2 info: Whelp I lost all interest in this, S1 was really lightning in a bottle, never to be recaptured.
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Mzbundifund posted:Fandom snowballing? They want to make a game that'll be a big hit with streamers. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole business plan is "let's do Lethal Company but underwater"
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Feb 8, 2024 15:58
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General Battuta posted:Hold tight, don't panic yet. for new page
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Feb 8, 2024 15:59
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I expect nothing less from the company that decided to focus on land traversal in their underwater exploration game expansion.
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Tenebrais posted:They want to make a game that'll be a big hit with streamers Tbf, the only reason they didn't go bankrupt on the original is because the early access version took off with streamers. Youtubers getting spooked by Reapers are the only reason the company was solvent, so that sort of thing has always been part of what made the OG so good. Live-service crap could kill it in the crib if it's bad though. Continuous updates to expand and refine content a la No Man's Sky or Cyberpunk are good, especially since they're moving to a real game engine. If it's just dailies and procgen crap for retention it'll be absolutely terrible. I don't trust Unknown Worlds to always make a good call, I still have hope becauze I can't see them making a boring bad call. Hopefully they're taking lessons from Lethal Company wrt co-op. That could be really, really interesting if done right.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:10
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RIP Subnautica
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Feb 8, 2024 16:11
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So I guess that's modding out to
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Feb 8, 2024 16:15
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General Battuta posted:for new page Ok, I will, but you can't deny (and you likely can't say a single thing publicly, so I understand) that this definitely doesn't sound good.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:24
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If there already were some corporate schenanigans with some important people leaving and getting swapped out with Below Zero which dramatically shifted what that game was about, I wouldn't be surprised if enough people are gone that the company's not really in a position to understand the original's special sauce by now. But Subnautica has such a strong vibe that I have to believe that somebody else will figure out how to do something similar even if they haven't yet figured out how.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:26
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Ok, I will, but you can't deny (and you likely can't say a single thing publicly, so I understand) that this definitely doesn't sound good. If I were a Subnautica fan I'd be crushed to hear this, but please just wait for UWE to say something. Remember that SN1 and BZ were in public live development for years. That's pretty easy to misinterpret as 'live service'.
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Feb 8, 2024 16:29
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I'm still hopeful but at the very least, someone should tell them those kinds of public statements are not the positive they expect them to be.
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I’ll keep the faith for now, built in multiplayer from the start is very nice.
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Bhodi posted:I'm still hopeful but at the very least, someone should tell them those kinds of public statements are not the positive they expect them to be. Unfortunately, they’re usually not for us, they’re for shareholders…
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Even if you ignore the GaaS part, coop in a game where your isolation is the scariest and most compelling element?
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MikeJF posted:Even if you ignore the GaaS part, coop in a game where your isolation is the scariest and most compelling element? Alot of people really seem to like co-op. As long as it's not balanced around it that's fine with me tbh
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Feb 8, 2024 16:40
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Bifner McDoogle posted:I don't trust Unknown Worlds 
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MikeJF posted:Even if you ignore the GaaS part, coop in a game where your isolation is the scariest and most compelling element? Co-op is by far the most requested feature, they would be stupid not to put it in the game now that they aren’t limited by the old engine. Also, a lot of us don’t find the game particularly scary, or care about isolation.
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Feb 8, 2024 17:00
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Also it's very easy to not play coop.
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I mean, I don't really care if it's a nice extra option, but if the game is substantially designed around being co-op as the primary type of play that's gonna annoy me.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Tbf, the only reason they didn't go bankrupt on the original is because the early access version took off with streamers. Youtubers getting spooked by Reapers are the only reason the company was solvent, so that sort of thing has always been part of what made the OG so good. The one consistent thing Ive seen with most of Unknown World's games is that they are able to nail a tense and suspensful atmosphere. Natural Selection is a PvP game but they still nailed the Aliens vibes you get when wandering down an empty corridor hoping a skulk wont jump out at you. Im posting in the Subnautica thread so Im sure you all know how well they did the atmosphere for this game. I dont trust UWE to not try to do everything themselves with way too little time and manpower (they made their own engine for NS2 which ran like poo poo for the first few months). So imo a Lethal Company Subnautica would be amazing as long as they dont try to do story or shove too much technical crap into it.
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Tiny Timbs posted:In an exciting twist on Subnautica’s unique form of underwater gameplay, players will be tasked with competing to be the last person swimming while they extract treasures from procedurally generated alien wrecks! This game wouldn’t be nearly similar to Subnautica, but I think it could be a cool variation on battle royale games. I’d probably like a version of it with authentic Subnautica aesthetics more than I’d like Subnautica 2 As A Service.
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Oasx posted:Some concerning early Subnautica 2 info: lmao my rear end off
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Oasx posted:Co-op is by far the most requested feature, they would be stupid not to put it in the game now that they aren’t limited by the old engine. Yeah I think it’s a great thing to add, I just hope they do it in the “we added co-op to Subnautica” way and not the “we designed the game to be played by 4 people but also you can play alone” way.
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On one hand, I've always wondered what Subnautica would be like with another player. On the other, I dunno what "live-service" might involve in this case and if it will ruin it.
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TuxedoOrca posted:On one hand, I've always wondered what Subnautica would be like with another player. Reaper wears a Santa hat in the month of December
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Endless Trash posted:Reaper wears a Santa hat in the month of December I would be fine with that.
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Feb 8, 2024 18:29
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Only if accompanied by jingle bell sounds.
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Feb 8, 2024 18:34
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caught one of you ripping off my joke and posting it to Reddit lmao that’s SA original content and traced through blockchain 
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Bullet dodged? https://unknownworlds.com/subnautica/an-update-about-the-next-subnautica/ Unknown Worlds posted:Hello Subnauts, I gotta say, this is making me  at at least a few idiot youtubers who HAD to put out some video that's all "MICROTRANSACTIONS IN SUBNAUTICA?!?" already.
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Feb 8, 2024 19:04
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There we go.
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But for the record I would’ve pwned all of you at the Cuddlefish Egg Hunt challenge
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I’m sure “games as a service” will be around the world before “literally the same as the first two games” puts on its coat
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tbh I would've been happy enough with a season pass for expansions or something, I love Subnautica and I'm down to supporting them in exchange for the ability to scan new fish every three months lol I know there seemed to always be pernicious physics bugs with sufficiently big objects in the first few games but hopefully the switch to UE will let them focus on that too
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I just don't want Wet Fortnite. If an expansion pass or paid DLC comes out, I will buy it. We all will likely buy it. I'm hoping that 'new planet' means that there are going to be just as wonderful and iconic fauna as 4546b.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Bullet dodged? Yeah, no surprises. Unknown Worlds makes some bizarre terrible decisions, but bizarre bad decisions are never as boring as "add GaaS mechanics". Instead they come up with ideas like "what if instead dodging iconic Leviathan enemies that defined the first game, you were on land and had to dodge an Ice Worm that only comes out from pre-set areas and is easy to walk around?" or "instead of making the entire game, researching how an average player interacts with the game, and then hiring a writer to craft a plot that works with that framework let's write the story first, design the game, then completely replace the story near the end so nothing feels cohesive at all" Though the most interesting decision was hiring a space alien who has never seen a human to design human character portraits for below zero. The pc, her sister and Margarite look great, but everyone else is from Insmouth or something., like their eyes are pointed in different directions and poo poo. They're scarier than the sea monsters and it really sticks out given how great the art direction is everywhere else.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Bullet dodged? That's a fast enough turnaround that I think the earlier statement might've been a genuine misunderstanding rather than a full evil corpo statement of intent that they're pivoting on. Especially since it's the publisher saying things that are more corpo talk that the developer is countermanding. I will be more optimistic about the coming game. Still don't think your hopes should be too high about the next game fully capturing the vibe of the original, but that sure is a nice lookin' monster fish. I think its eye is under the mouth nestled between tooth-protrusions?
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Yeah, no surprises. Unknown Worlds makes some bizarre terrible decisions, but bizarre bad decisions are never as boring as "add GaaS mechanics". Below Zero still ended up being really good. It's worse than the main game in some ways, but in other ways better.
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Oasx posted:Below Zero still ended up being really good. It's worse than the main game in some ways, but in other ways better. I Agreed, though it may not seem like it. I did feel like it does a good job of escelating some of the underwater challenges, especially free diving. I also have to recognize that it's a much more stable experience. It's just that every bad decision is pretty remarkable and definitely not the sign of a developer that likes to play it safe. I really like the idea of co-op with in-game microphones like Lethal Company though. I don't get spooked by monsters much in these games, but talking to a friend and having their audio suddenly cut off would be great.
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Tiny Timbs posted:caught one of you ripping off my joke and posting it to Reddit lmao Yeah I was bored, some people also have zero awareness of sarcasm.
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