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Magic Underwear
May 14, 2003


Young Orc

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

I didn't see the press conference but I gather it was bad. Where's everyone going? Uruguay is easy but I'd have to learn Spanish real quick.

This attitude is so exhausting.

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Trazz
Jun 11, 2008

TheDisreputableDog posted:

It will, because I maintain that Haley wipes the floor with Biden in a general.

Well, unfortunately for Haley, she needs people to actually vote for her for that to happen.
Like, I don't get where this is coming from. Donald Trump couldn't win in 2020 and he literally had a cult following behind him, how is Haley gonna "mop the floor" with Biden when millions of Trump voters stay home?

L. Ron DeSantis
Nov 10, 2009

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

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haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

You don’t need a whole lot of prep to commit suicide in 2025 America so at least wait to see how the election actually goes first

And remember that early calls often get amended or retracted. You have until January even if the worst happens

Trazz
Jun 11, 2008

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

If you're really this desperate then why not, like, firebomb a Trump voter's house?
*Note, I am not actually suggesting that anyone do this*

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

Ok seriously. Log off and read a book or play a game or watch a movie or watch porn, do anything other than frying your brain.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

The mathematically optimal plan would be to wait until Trump's inauguration and then commit suicide if that is your only option. The probability of any one event is always less than 100% until it is actually observed. That means you'd look like a silly goose if you killed yourself when there was only a 50% chance of something to happen when you could wait until the outcome is certain.

So if you are min-maxing an optimal Trump suicide speedrun, then you should hold off until 12:01 pm EST on January 20th, 2025.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

L. Ron DeSantis posted:

So should those of us who don't want to live under a fascist dictatorship commit suicide now or after the inevitable election of Trump?

Please don't commit self-harm. You have alternatives.

Scags McDouglas
Sep 9, 2012

The correct answer is when climate change causes ocean waves to lap against the edges of your inland home.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

On* a scale of normal person to No Joe Tag Holder, how much did what joe biden do tonight matter and why is it that it didn't matter at all?

Shammypants fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Feb 9, 2024

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Shammypants posted:

One a scale of normal person to No Joe Tag Holder, how much did what joe biden do tonight matter and why is it that it didn't matter at all?

Everyone here seems to be freaking out but all I see on the Twitters is reposts of Biden laying a burn on Steve doocy apparently so I doubt anything matters.

DeeplyConcerned
Apr 29, 2008

I can fit 3 whole bud light cans now, ask me how!
Man, this thread's all over the place today. One minute we're talking about Spider-Man and the next minute....

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster
New York City hit a new record for low housing stock.

Only 1.4% of all housing units in the entire city were vacant during 2023 and the amount of affordable vacancies (apartments for less than $1,650 per month) was 0.8%.

Projections are that NYC needs to build at least 280,000 new housing units per year to start reversing the shrinking housing to population ratio.

There were just over 11,000 new units built in 2023 and only 60,000 units added since 2021.

Proposals to increase housing construction died in the state legislature last year and new bills introduced that were much more modest are still stuck in limbo and facing strong opposition from various local groups, construction companies, labor unions, homeowners, and politicians.

quote:

New York City’s Housing Crunch Is the Worst It Has Been in Over 50 Years

Only 1.4 percent of the city’s rentals were available in 2023, according to new data, the lowest portion since 1968. The market was even tighter for lower-cost apartments.

New York City’s housing crunch is the worst it has been in more than 50 years.

The portion of rentals that were vacant and available dropped to a startling 1.4 percent in 2023, according to city data released on Thursday. It was the lowest vacancy rate since 1968 and shows just how drastically home construction lags behind the demand from people who want to live in the city.

Housing experts often consider a “healthy” vacancy rate to be somewhere around 5 to 8 percent. A higher vacancy rate typically means it is easier for people to find apartments when they want to move. It also means that property owners are more likely to have to compete for renters, conditions that would moderate rent increases.

The data suggests New York City’s housing crisis is only getting worse, especially during the economic rebound from the coronavirus pandemic. The 1.4 percent rate was down from 4.5 percent in 2021, the last time the survey was conducted. New York officials consider a vacancy rate of less than 5 percent a “housing emergency.”

“The data is clear: The demand to live in our city is far outpacing our ability to build housing,” Mayor Eric Adams said in a statement announcing the numbers on Thursday. “New Yorkers need our help, and they need it now.”

The scale of the problem is putting more pressure on officials to do something about it. High housing costs continue to force families and working class people out of the city, threatening the economy. An influx of migrants has overwhelmed the city’s homeless shelter system, and homelessness among non-migrants is also on the rise.

Housing experts estimate that the number of homes the city needs to build is in the hundreds of thousands.

So far, however, the city and state have not made moves that could accelerate enough housing development to solve the crisis.

State lawmakers failed last year to pass several major housing proposals, including a push by Gov. Kathy Hochul to increase development in the suburbs. This year, less ambitious measures appear to be stuck in limbo, as the real estate industry, labor unions and tenant advocates remain at an impasse over tax incentives for new construction and tenant protections.

Ms. Hochul said in a statement on Thursday that the survey was “the latest reminder that we can only build our way out of this crisis.”

“There’s no time to waste,” she said.

Mr. Adams has proposed local solutions, like an overhaul of the city’s zoning code. He estimates that the changes could make way for as many as 100,000 additional homes in the coming years. They would need to be approved by the City Council, and a vote could come as early as the fall.

But city officials acknowledge that these changes would be modest and not have much effect without state action.

“We need our leaders in Albany and New York City to take immediate action on a coordinated plan that helps build up our housing supply,” Rachel Fee, the executive director of the New York Housing Conference, a nonprofit that favors more development, said in a statement.

The data released on Thursday was collected in the first half of 2023 as part of a survey run by the U.S. Census Bureau every three years. The first survey was conducted in 1965.

In many ways, the results affirm the experience of many New Yorkers.

Rents plummeted at the height of the pandemic as people moved away and the vacancy rate increased. But as people have moved back to the city, rents have reached some of the highest levels ever over the past two years. The median rent on new Manhattan leases in December 2023, for example, was $4,050, according to the brokerage Douglas Elliman.

The vacancy rate is calculated by first totaling the number of homes “available to rent” in the city. This does not include vacant apartments that are “dilapidated” or empty because the owner uses the unit as a pied-à-terre or a short-term rental, like an Airbnb.

Then, that number — about 33,210 units in 2023 — is divided by the roughly 2.3 million total rental homes in the city that are either available or occupied by tenants.

The vacancy rate dropped to 1.4 percent even as the city added some 60,000 homes over the past two years, according to the city data. In the last survey before the pandemic, in 2017, the vacancy rate was 3.63 percent.

As in previous years, the data also shows how the housing crisis hits New York’s lowest-income people the hardest. The vacancy rate of apartments that rent below $1,650 per month — around the citywide median — was less than 1 percent. The typical New York City household, which has an income of about $70,000, spent more than half of that income on rent, the survey showed.

Somewhat surprisingly, however, the crunch is now hitting higher-rent apartments, too. Fewer than 4 percent of apartments renting for more than $2,400 were available in 2023, according to the survey, less than half of similar estimates in 2021 and 2017.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/08/nyregion/apartment-vacancy-rate-housing-crisis.html

Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Feb 9, 2024

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Shammypants posted:

One a scale of normal person to No Joe Tag Holder, how much did what joe biden do tonight matter and why is it that it didn't matter at all?

Probably not much. It will breath for a week or two until some other poo poo happens. If this had been a week or two before the election, i could it having more effect but in February when the main take away is “he didn’t do anything actionablely wrong” no one will care. If various small elections start shifting chud, then I’ll worry.

https://twitter.com/tylerpager/status/1755780820021719455 Yeah. That’s what set him off.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Feb 9, 2024

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008
Is it too early to call Biden-Trump the Sundown Showdown? Someone check if we can trademark that phrase tia.

small butter
Oct 8, 2011

God drat some of you have memory problems about the goldfish memories of voters.

Not only will no one remember the Mexico thing, but while Trump will be pounding the "Biden is demented" thing while Biden pounds the "Trump has 91 charges," "insurrection," and possibly "convicted" thing, Trump will be losing votes by the day as everyone hears him speak and gets their little goldfish memories refreshed every hour. Combine that with lowest unemployment in like a century, roaring stock market, lowest inflation in the West, Democrats keep winning, etc. etc. etc. I hate to break it to you all, but Trump will be buried even before election day.

Edit: and then Trump will have to put up like $500m that he doesn't have in escrow very soon while he appeals his multiple proven fraud and sex abuse crimes.

small butter fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Feb 9, 2024

James Garfield
May 5, 2012
Am I a manipulative abuser in real life, or do I just roleplay one on the Internet for fun? You decide!
Most news isn't as important as Twitter makes it sound, nobody will remember this in three weeks.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

small butter posted:

God drat some of you have memory problems about the goldfish memories of voters.

Not only will no one remember the Mexico thing, but while Trump will be pounding the "Biden is demented" thing while Biden pounds the "Trump has 91 charges," "insurrection," and possibly "convicted" thing, Trump will be losing votes by the day as everyone hears him speak and gets their little goldfish memories refreshed every hour. Combine that with lowest unemployment in like a century, roaring stock market, lowest inflation in the West, Democrats keep winning, etc. etc. etc. I hate to break it to you all, but Trump will be buried even before election day.

Edit: and then Trump will have to put up like $500m that he doesn't have in escrow very soon while he appeals his multiple proven fraud and sex abuse crimes.

James Garfield posted:

Most news isn't as important as Twitter makes it sound, nobody will remember this in three weeks.

https://twitter.com/tylerpager/status/1755780820021719455

also thats probably why he did it tonight.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

James Garfield posted:

Most news isn't as important as Twitter makes it sound, nobody will remember this in three weeks.

Two weeks ago twitter was sure that a Greg Abbott press release was the harbinger of a shootin war between the Texas National Guard and federal troops. People were saying it was worse than 1/6.

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1755771044705489250

Less than an hour post Biden press conference

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

zoux posted:

Two weeks ago twitter was sure that a Greg Abbott press release was the harbinger of a shootin war between the Texas National Guard and federal troops. People were saying it was worse than 1/6.

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1755771044705489250

Less than an hour post Biden press conference

the other visual gags are also very good

two ads about the scary irs and a chyron with mtg being a weird conspiracy rear end in a top hat

pretty solid fictional comedy tv show tbh

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Shammypants posted:

One a scale of normal person to No Joe Tag Holder, how much did what joe biden do tonight matter and why is it that it didn't matter at all?

Mixing up Mexico and Egypt is something you would get from any era of Gaff Machine Biden. I wouldn't be surprised if there's some grainy 1980s film of him doing it.

Neither what Biden did tonight nor the report will change anything come November. Joe Biden's voters aren't voting for Joe Biden, they're voting against Donald Trump. Same as it ever was.


If anything that particular line in the report defangs any bite it actually had. Nobody but Ultra Chud MAGA wants to dunk on some dude's dead son, and his blinding rage over it is imminently relatable to virtually everyone.

Shammypants
May 25, 2004

Let me tell you about true luxury.

I would bet money that the percent of Americans who know the leaders of both Egypt and Mexico right now is less than 10%.

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

small butter posted:

God drat some of you have memory problems about the goldfish memories of voters.

Not only will no one remember the Mexico thing, but while Trump will be pounding the "Biden is demented" thing while Biden pounds the "Trump has 91 charges," "insurrection," and possibly "convicted" thing, Trump will be losing votes by the day as everyone hears him speak and gets their little goldfish memories refreshed every hour. Combine that with lowest unemployment in like a century, roaring stock market, lowest inflation in the West, Democrats keep winning, etc. etc. etc. I hate to break it to you all, but Trump will be buried even before election day.

Edit: and then Trump will have to put up like $500m that he doesn't have in escrow very soon while he appeals his multiple proven fraud and sex abuse crimes.

Not that long ago Trump said he liked Viktor Orban, the leader of Turkey, and that Kim Jong Il, Chinese dictator, ruled over 1.4 billion people. Those were hardly the only times. It never stuck. The closest one was "Tim Apple" and that gets referenced more often in Apple discussion than Trump discussion. People who don't like Trump will joke about when it happens but are more worried about the crimes and deeper incompetency than his verbal slipups, and it would be true even if the ideal 40 year old smart charming progressive came down from the mountain tomorrow to replace Biden.

Kalit
Nov 6, 2006

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

Just got done watching the press conference and this made me chuckle too.

Overall, it was a fine press conference. Nothing that'll make waves one way or the other in the media, IMO. If anything, this makes the most sense of why he did it:

Sarcastro
Dec 28, 2000
Elite member of the Grammar Nazi Squad that

Killer robot posted:

Not that long ago Trump said he liked Viktor Orban, the leader of Turkey, and that Kim Jong Il, Chinese dictator, ruled over 1.4 billion people. Those were hardly the only times. It never stuck. The closest one was "Tim Apple" and that gets referenced more often in Apple discussion than Trump discussion. People who don't like Trump will joke about when it happens but are more worried about the crimes and deeper incompetency than his verbal slipups, and it would be true even if the ideal 40 year old smart charming progressive came down from the mountain tomorrow to replace Biden.

Plus Tuck-tuck polishing Putin's balls for the next few days should knock it down the feed a bit.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
I'm hearing in local news that Biden is getting real confused and it seems if I am hearing this from the local news that are to the left of most american outlets, with examples from the last few days. Then it's not really just fox news propaganda.

poo poo, Trump's gonna win isn't he?

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

His Divine Shadow posted:

I'm hearing in local news that Biden is getting real confused and it seems if I am hearing this from the local news that are to the left of most american outlets, with examples from the last few days. Then it's not really just fox news propaganda.

poo poo, Trump's gonna win isn't he?

There's local news left not owned by Sinclair?

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



His Divine Shadow posted:

I'm hearing in local news that Biden is getting real confused and it seems if I am hearing this from the local news that are to the left of most american outlets, with examples from the last few days. Then it's not really just fox news propaganda.

poo poo, Trump's gonna win isn't he?

I heard that Trump is gonna win so hard he becomes your new dad.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Biden's old and confused as been an aspect of his coverage ever since he jumped into 2020. Any uptick in Biden Confused stories will shortly fall back into the background radiation of OLD MAN that permeates his coverage.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


the only "biden old!!!" coverage that ever gave me pause was when his eye started disintegrating live on-stage and that turned out to be nothing. george w bush showed that it's completely possible to be a competent politician while also not being able to speak worth a gently caress.

and before someone gets the wrong idea: saying dubya was competent is not praise, it's pointing out that he did war crimes just fine and advanced his horrific agenda flawlessly despite his occasional goofy malaphor

Kith fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Feb 9, 2024

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
Nobody is going to remember this specific press conference in a few weeks, no. Assuming it's an isolated event, anyway. If this kind of thing is going to be a trend, we're in trouble: polling suggests voters are fairly concerned about Biden's age and his fitness to serve, and if this kind of thing becomes a regular feature of the campaign trail then he's probably not going to come off great.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

socialsecurity posted:

There's local news left not owned by Sinclair?

Well it's sort of blandy centrish state financed news in Finland.

sleep with the vicious
Apr 2, 2010

Kith posted:

the only "biden old!!!" coverage that ever gave me pause was when his eye started disintegrating live on-stage and that turned out to be nothing. george w bush showed that it's completely possible to be a competent politician while also not being able to speak worth a gently caress.

and before someone gets the wrong idea: saying dubya was competent is not praise, it's pointing out that he did war crimes just fine and advanced his horrific agenda flawlessly despite his occasional goofy malaphor

George w bush is 4 years younger than biden and was president 25 years ago

His folksy mannerisms and fake sayings were part pf his charm strategy

Joe Biden cannot remember the difference between Egypt and Mexico

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


Shammypants posted:

I would bet money that the percent of Americans who know the leaders of both Egypt and Mexico right now is less than 10%.

You have an extra zero there. I'm here, which automatically makes me more informed than the majority, and the only reason I know the president of Egypt is because it just came up. I would have to look up who he president of Mexico is, so I still don't qualify.

That said, I would hope Biden of all people knows the president of Mexico. Like, personally.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Wait until you find out Obama said there were 57 states!

Youth Decay
Aug 18, 2015

Fox News is reporting on this bit of the Hur Report which actually makes Biden look good:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-considered-resigning-vice-presidency-in-protest-obama-afghanistan-policy-hur-report
Biden considered resigning vice presidency 'in protest' over Obama's Afghanistan policy: Hur report

quote:

President Biden considered resigning as vice president "in protest" over former President Barack Obama's Afghanistan policies in 2009 over fear the war would become "another Vietnam," according to Special Counsel Robert Hur's report on Biden's mishandling of classified documents released Thursday.

Hur has been investigating Biden's improper retention of classified records since last year. The papers included classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, among other national security and foreign policy records, which Hur said implicated "sensitive intelligence sources and methods."

"Tomorrow the President is going to make a fateful decision regarding Afghanistan - as I sat looking out the window at the sea - thinking I should resign in protest over what will bring his administration down," Biden wrote in what the report noted was an "Af/Pak" notebook he used to take notes during a number of National Security Council meetings on Afghanistan in 2009.

"Although I obviously wasn't there I feel like this is what it must have felt like for Kennedy then Johnson in the early days of VTN [Vietnam]. I feel guilty and boxed in myself. Guilty for not having been more successful w/ the President - and staying. Boxed in by knowing or at least feeling that my resignation would only harden his position and leave him with one less voice," he added.

Biden strongly opposed the administration's plans to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan throughout 2009, a view reflected in various entries in his notebook, as well as in a memo he sent Obama, that FBI agents found at his Delaware home alongside marked classified documents containing his advice to the former president.

According to the report, Biden called Army leaders' request for another 40,000 troops in Afghanistan "f---ing outrageous," and privately fretted the decision to do so would be "disastrous."

The reported later said Biden "had a strong motive to keep the classified Afghanistan documents," because of his belief the 2009 troop surge was a Vietnam-level mistake.

"He wanted the record to show that he was right about Afghanistan; that his critics were wrong; and that he had opposed President Obama's mistaken decision forcefully," it said.

"There is evidence that, after his vice presidency, Mr. Biden willfully retained marked classified documents about Afghanistan and unmarked classified handwritten notes in his notebooks, both of which he stored in unsecured places in his home. He had no legal authority to do so, and his retention of these materials, and disclosure of classified information from his notebooks to his ghostwriter, risked serious damage to America's national security," it added.

Fox News Digital has reached out to representatives of Obama for comment.

Hur announced he would not seek criminal charges against Biden.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
I honestly don't know which is a worse gaffe, mistaking Mexico for Egypt or Nikki Haley for Nancy Pelosi. The more important question is does it impair their decision making in any way. Maybe the debates should have a section where candidates draw clocks and name animals.

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



I tried that "Guy gets pissed off because someone dragged his dead son into a matter unrelated to him" is not the devastating blow to his Presidency and/or campaign that some people think

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

It is possible that you should try electing people who were at least born in the second half of the previous century?

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Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
Biden's issue is that even before his brain started slipping he tossed out gaffes way more than other people. Before, it was a bit of a brand thing when he asked the person in a wheelchair to stand up or mixed up countries in a statement. Now every mistake is an example that his brains are about to drip out his ears. His love of folksisms and general Grandpa speak doesn't help him.

Oddly at the same time Trump has always talked in word salad, and he does it so much that it's hard to differentiate when he's having a brain melt down or just being a total loving dolt. Dude hasn't made a completely intelligible answer, that wasn't an insult, since at least the mid 90s. In true Trump fashion, his incompetence in the field is so bad that it manages to confuse the brain's ability to parse resulting in difficulty holding him accountable.

Both of them are suffering from enough brain worms that they should be disqualified from office, but only one of them is so stupid that the thinks pointing out the lion makes him smart. Both their clocks suck, but Biden's is probably way better.

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