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guess the groundhog didn't see his shadow this year ahahahaha hahahahahaha AHAHAHAHAHA
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Feb 9, 2024 15:20
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iirc the doomsday econ thread went over general strike stuff. consensus was that the pandemic, "quiet quitting" and people digging their heels in on work from home was probably as close to a general strike as we'll probably see. and capital took notice. anything's possible i guess for a no-poo poo ground up everything stops strike though. would probably take a lot. also it's like 60F in an area where it shouldn't be 60F in february. if people start mowing their lawns im gonna find out what lay beyond crack ping lol, lmao.
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Feb 9, 2024 15:24
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Cabbages and Kings posted:with AI we can dream of even bigger co2 removal facilities in iceland lol
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Feb 9, 2024 16:16
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quote:Jury awards climate scientist Michael Mann $1 million in defamation lawsuit https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-defamation-michael-mann-penn-state-61289ee2d8d2143768d28995c83899ef
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Feb 9, 2024 16:28
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Erghh posted:iirc the doomsday econ thread went over general strike stuff. consensus was that the pandemic, "quiet quitting" and people digging their heels in on work from home was probably as close to a general strike as we'll probably see. and capital took notice. anything's possible i guess for a no-poo poo ground up everything stops strike though. would probably take a lot. I think I agree with this to a certain degree. The problem with a general strike in the US is that you really have two separate issues to overcome: 1) Things aren't that bad (yet) 2) The culture of class consciousness that would make people decide to strike when things get bad doesn't exist So my sense is that you wouldn't really see something like a widespread general strike until there's a really prolonged period of extreme suffering punctuated by repeated failures to get through it all with just aimless protests or rioting, liberal "just vote" nonsense, or open fascism. People would just keep going to work through all that poo poo and only really come around to the idea that maybe capital is the problem after everything else fails and things just keep getting worse. The reality is that the consequences of just not showing up for your non-union job are worse than getting caught in a riot or whatever, as long as you were rioting on your free time. Also I have to admit that even my acceleration-loving rear end probably doesn't want to see the kind of suffering that would actually get us to this point. Like, you'd have to get the average American to the point where they think "I have a good chance of losing my sole source of income but the alternative is worse" and wowzers that means poo poo is probably pretty bad.
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Feb 9, 2024 16:35
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Communist Cop posted:https://twitter.com/WeatherProf/status/1755794482979565694?t=BQwv0XscdUJpxW4nmir-nA&s=19 It's worth noting that the Atlantic often shows a El Nino type SST pattern when the Pacific does, likely due to an overall predisposition towards westerly anomalies in both the Pacific and Atlantic during the formation period of a strong event. I'm sure that doesn't account for all of it, of course, but its accounting for some and that +SST will diminish as the overall oscillation does. It's an oscillation, it phases. I totally understand that it makes the Overall SST anomaly graphs look really crazy, but in the same way ENSO is bolstering the world SST graphs by a large amount, it will lower those graphs by a large amount in 2024.  they'll still be super scary, but it won't be the meteoric step-up 2023 brought and 2024 La Nina will lower the graph in the same way that recent events bolstered it. There's plenty of poo poo to be scared about, let's not over analyze at the peak of a powerful oscillation. Taima has issued a correction as of 16:59 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Feb 9, 2024 16:55
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Dictatorship of the proletariat of the ashes
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Feb 9, 2024 16:55
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Taima posted:There's plenty of poo poo to be scared about, let's not over analyze at the peak of a powerful oscillation. No! Let's panic! AAAAHHHHHH AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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Feb 9, 2024 16:57
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Communist Cop posted:https://twitter.com/WeatherProf/status/1755794482979565694?t=BQwv0XscdUJpxW4nmir-nA&s=19 I don't get this. Like... all the heat is trapped inside with us. The red and blue can move around, but is it really possible that the image of 2023 and 2024 could happen in the opposite order? "Oh its just a el nino" where does the heat go? There is at least a partial answer to explain this because I know that sometimes there is a single year anomaly but I don't get it.
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Feb 9, 2024 16:59
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Sure I can field that, and I would recommend my previous posts in this thread if you want to understand more about El Nino. But short story is, trade winds lock equatorial warm water up in the west pacific, under the water in a big bubble called an Envelope. That bubble goes far down into the Thermocline where it is not counted as sea surface temps (SST) because is it NOT on the surface. When El Nino happens, that big, deep bubble of super warm water spreads across the entire equatorial Pacific. Meaning, huge amounts of that warm water now count as sea surface temperatures, and the atmosphere uses it to change the weather. We good?
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Feb 9, 2024 17:02
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Whoa that's pretty cool. Okay I wasn't thinking in 3 dimensions.
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Feb 9, 2024 17:03
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 This is a decent illustration, unfortunately it's kind of hard to find good depictions Salt Fish posted:You can't use ^ this is a good post on your own post. Maybe I don't know what that means... Taima has issued a correction as of 17:08 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Feb 9, 2024 17:05
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You can't use ^ this is a good post on your own post.
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Feb 9, 2024 17:06
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Paradoxish posted:
yeah that second one is really underappreciated. i don't have the cite (there's probably several though) about how reagan et. al. made a deliberate effort to remove all class language/ideas from the public sphere and...well, it pretty much worked. that sort of framework just isn't there. also kind of a derail but the collapse of the ussr did a number on it too; when it fell a lot of left-ish stuff just kind of ceased to exist or was dismissed out of hand. even years later i had marxist college profs. getting openly mocked by students and other profs. for "losing" etc. everyone went with capital rules, commies drool and ran headlong to the end of history. now we're here. Paradoxish posted:So my sense is that you wouldn't really see something like a widespread general strike until there's a really prolonged period of extreme suffering punctuated by repeated failures to get through it all with just aimless protests or rioting, liberal "just vote" nonsense, or open fascism. People would just keep going to work through all that poo poo and only really come around to the idea that maybe capital is the problem after everything else fails and things just keep getting worse. The reality is that the consequences of just not showing up for your non-union job are worse than getting caught in a riot or whatever, as long as you were rioting on your free time. no doubt, knowing how ugly some of the US is and how much worse things would still have to get for that to happen is a hell of an excercise. and some will never recognize our monied overlords as a maybe kinda sorta bad.
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Feb 9, 2024 19:15
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:https://apnews.com/article/climate-change-defamation-michael-mann-penn-state-61289ee2d8d2143768d28995c83899ef quote:a libertarian think tank named the Competitive Enterprise Institute
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Feb 9, 2024 19:20
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Erghh posted:iirc the doomsday econ thread went over general strike stuff. consensus was that the pandemic, "quiet quitting" and people digging their heels in on work from home was probably as close to a general strike as we'll probably see. and capital took notice. anything's possible i guess for a no-poo poo ground up everything stops strike though. would probably take a lot. It's not gonna work https://twitter.com/drvolts/status/1755684889406632199?t=uzbRPe3zEmXsIB_3z2Rcvg&s=19
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Feb 9, 2024 19:36
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gov't could stop subsidizing oil and gas extraction/refining. just a thought
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Feb 9, 2024 19:41
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Jury awards climate scientist Michael Mann $1 million in defamation lawsuit I guess that you really can make a difference in the courts!
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Feb 9, 2024 19:56
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:gov't could stop subsidizing oil and gas extraction/refining. just a thought that would hurt the economy, idiot
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Feb 9, 2024 19:58
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Communist Cop posted:https://twitter.com/drvolts/status/1755684889406632199?t=uzbRPe3zEmXsIB_3z2Rcvg&s=19 lol
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Feb 9, 2024 19:59
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Michael Mann's Heat
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Feb 9, 2024 20:00
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Communist Cop posted:It's not gonna work " information sharing by negative emotion induction (12.1%)" is that being a doomer?
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Feb 9, 2024 20:14
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Communist Cop posted:It's not gonna work no that can't be right, that would mean the economic superstructure and material conditions dictate outcomes and we know thats not true funniest thing is that guy pointing out these dont work still cant finish the equation in his own head https://x.com/drvolts/status/1755685976498941968?s=20 yes we'll just change policy and infrastructure
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Feb 9, 2024 20:38
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Just change policy to be climate friendly and make infrastructure green... duh
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Feb 9, 2024 20:39
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Best way to cut down on litter would be to put RFIDs in every piece of packaging and tag them to the purchaser
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Feb 9, 2024 20:41
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Communist Cop posted:It's not gonna work this seems idiotic though. they asked the participants to read some paragraphs (what they refer to as "interventions") and then indicate whether they agreed with them. that's the "study" and it doesn't say what the tweet is claiming
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Feb 9, 2024 20:47
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Dokapon Findom posted:Best way to cut down on litter would be to put RFIDs in every piece of packaging and tag them to the purchaser On the blockchain!!!!
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Feb 9, 2024 20:47
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Thorn Wishes Talon posted:this seems idiotic though. they asked the participants to read some paragraphs (what they refer to as "interventions") and then indicate whether they agreed with them. that's the "study" and it doesn't say what the tweet is claiming free interventions that change behaviors without changing any economic incentives are the entire premise of nudge theory
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Feb 9, 2024 20:52
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This isn't a new finding either, nudges don't have any experimental validity as a general tool for influencing any type of behavior once you correct for publication bias https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2200300119
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Feb 9, 2024 20:53
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*gently nudging you with shock baton* "Pick up that can"
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Feb 9, 2024 21:02
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lol “doom and gloom” (“exposing participants to ecologically valid scientific facts”) was the most effective nudge one of the metrics was whether people would do the following: “The WEPT is a multitrial, web-based procedure in which participants choose to exert voluntary effort screening stimuli for specific numerical combinations (i.e., an even first digit and odd second digit) in exchange for donations to a tree-planting environmental organization. ”  : will you waste your time performing this useless task if I tell you we’ll plant a tree as a result? what if I remind you how few bugs smash during road trips these days?Edit: adding a link to the study because I use nitter and won’t be able to see any tweets presently: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adj5778 OIL PANIC has issued a correction as of 21:18 on Feb 9, 2024 |
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Feb 9, 2024 21:09
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Laterite posted:Michael Mann's Heat
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Feb 9, 2024 21:10
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pnas dot org is my favorite website! Thanks for the general strike chat and not making me feel like a dummy. I’ve just listened to my parents talk about how much they hate the very wealthy and “all” the politicians for ages now, and I’d like to think if there was a way they could actually hurt these people there might be a way to convince them to do it. Kind of a thought experiment or proof of concept. Obviously it would get co-opted or something even if it was possible, though
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Feb 9, 2024 21:21
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Finland is nowhere near general strikes, and the current government is going to ban political strikes soon. The situation would have to be significantly worse for a general strike to happen, for a long time. And even then people would have to believe that change by striking was possible. Paper factory employees at UPM were on strike for 4 months last year, then their union ran out of money and they had to end the strike. Multinational companies have too deep pockets, and they can just say screw you to the proletariat and wait it out.
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Feb 9, 2024 21:32
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Just looked it up: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finnish-workers-begin-strikes-against-labour-reforms-welfare-cuts-2024-02-01/ 290,000 workers in Finland went on strike for two days to protest labor reforms which would ban sympathy strikes. The subtext I guess being that if they did pass those reforms that the workers would go on strike for real.
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Feb 9, 2024 22:09
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Ok, so hear me out on this policy policy proposal: As we know most plastic recycling is not a real thing, but there's a notable exception: That's HDPE. It's the stuff milk jugs and shampoo bottles are made of. It can be easily melted down and reformed a whole bunch of times unlike most other plastics. The catch is that it can't be crystal clear like most consumers expect from a modern drink bottle. Also, when you recycle it, it's kinda hard to remove any dyes. So it's not super widely recycled but rather down cycled. However, what if a country mandated that all plastic packaging has to be strictly HDPE of a certain set of colors. Those colors would be the palate that every brand has to work with. Perhaps just black, white and a bunch of big bright bold colors. Don't like em? Feel free to put on a lable with water soluble glue or use something that's not plastic. This means that the grocery store shelves would have the aesthetic of a kindergarten, but those colors would be far easier to separate in some sort of automated way than by material and it would be possible to at least reduce the environment impact of a small portion of food packaging. Anyways, I'll have a Beyond burger with fries and a root beer, paper straw please.
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Feb 9, 2024 22:12
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Laterite posted:Michael Mann's Heat lmao
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Feb 9, 2024 22:12
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Leroy Diplowski posted:Ok, so hear me out on this policy policy proposal: That seems like it would actually be good! Which surely means it will be impossible.
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Feb 9, 2024 22:16
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/09/atlantic-ocean-circulation-nearing-devastating-tipping-point-study-findsquote:The circulation of the Atlantic Ocean is heading towards a tipping point that is “bad news for the climate system and humanity”, a study has found. quote:Amoc has declined 15% since 1950 and is in its weakest state in more than a millennium, according to previous research that prompted speculation about an approaching collapse. Seems fine
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Feb 9, 2024 22:36
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I'm not sure you need Cormac McCarthy's The Road conditions to make class consciousness a thing in the US, you just need the state to stop having the will or ability to devote a significant chunk of the spoils of empire to bribing and propagandizing people who would otherwise be ready to gently caress poo poo up to get a better deal, and I think that process is both happening and accelerating pretty rapidly right now. We've degenerated from, "support the empire and get a living wage" to "support the empire and get at least a poverty check" in the span of like 30 years but then from that to "support the empire and we'll offer you some very well produced ads and well-compensated op ed flacks to tell you that $2000 isnt what you thought it was because youre dumb" in the span of like a couple years; pretty soon it's going to be "support the empire or get shot" in the way it's always been for colonized people and you can see how well that's working out for the US overseas currently
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